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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1321 » by Daver » Mon May 30, 2022 6:42 pm

BigO wrote:Boston's defense is for real and will keep them in any series. They shut down the Bucks (yes, without KM) and Miami and every other team they played in the second half of the season. People keep thinking it's just a coincidence that teams don't shoot well against Boston. It's not.



Not denying what your saying but how many open look 3s did the bucks have that they bricked that had zero to do with bostons D.How many wide open 3s did the bucks have that they clanked that had nothing to do with bostons D.
Same as the heat saw them miss alot of 3s where it didnt look like the boston guy gad no affect on the shot. Not denying their D isnt great but their has to be a line between where good D ends n just absolute garbage O begins
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1322 » by Daver » Mon May 30, 2022 6:44 pm

You get outscored by 180 points from 3 in your 4 losses i would assume theres alot more to it than just the great boston D
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Post#1323 » by WRau1 » Mon May 30, 2022 7:21 pm

BOS isnt equipped to handle the scorers/playmakers GSW has, will be a short series.
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Post#1324 » by skbucks1985 » Mon May 30, 2022 8:20 pm

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skbucks1985 wrote:But Spolestra's argument of putting a timer on the amount of time that can elapse and after which the refs are no longer able to review the play seems dumb to me.


Don’t think it’s dumb at all. Play and substitutions during a game are made according to what the score is at the time. The longer you let that situation go without overturning it, the more ‘butterfly’ effect damage to the game.

But the primary issue is that the entire 3 points was:

-nullified by someone in Seacaucus and not a ref on the floor
-nullified on pretty flimsy evidence
-fully nullified, I.e. zero points, instead of using the purpose of those type of reviews, to figure out if it was a two or a three (i.e. foot on the three point line)


The purpose of the review and all reviews is to make sure they get the call right. What impact it has on coaching decisions and momentum should be immaterial. If you want to argue that those things should supersede making sure the call is right, outside of the final 2 minutes, I'm fine with that. But putting a timer on how long can elapse before a play is no longer able to be reviewed is a dumb idea.

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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1325 » by Gant » Mon May 30, 2022 9:52 pm

Daver wrote:
BigO wrote:Boston's defense is for real and will keep them in any series. They shut down the Bucks (yes, without KM) and Miami and every other team they played in the second half of the season. People keep thinking it's just a coincidence that teams don't shoot well against Boston. It's not.



Not denying what your saying but how many open look 3s did the bucks have that they bricked that had zero to do with bostons D.How many wide open 3s did the bucks have that they clanked that had nothing to do with bostons D.
Same as the heat saw them miss alot of 3s where it didnt look like the boston guy gad no affect on the shot. Not denying their D isnt great but their has to be a line between where good D ends n just absolute garbage O begins


Those Bucks and Heat shooters didn't miss because Boston was lucky for two consecutive series. They missed because they were fatigued. The Celtics' defense wears people down.

So does the Miami defense. They're quick, coordinated, and super physical with great hands, which creates other intangible advantages on D. They made the Celtics look like they forgot how to dribble sometimes.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1326 » by BigO » Mon May 30, 2022 10:11 pm

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Daver wrote:
BigO wrote:Boston's defense is for real and will keep them in any series. They shut down the Bucks (yes, without KM) and Miami and every other team they played in the second half of the season. People keep thinking it's just a coincidence that teams don't shoot well against Boston. It's not.



Not denying what your saying but how many open look 3s did the bucks have that they bricked that had zero to do with bostons D.How many wide open 3s did the bucks have that they clanked that had nothing to do with bostons D.
Same as the heat saw them miss alot of 3s where it didnt look like the boston guy gad no affect on the shot. Not denying their D isnt great but their has to be a line between where good D ends n just absolute garbage O begins


Those Bucks and Heat shooters didn't miss because Boston was lucky for two consecutive series. They missed because they were fatigued. The Celtics' defense wears people down.

So does the Miami defense. They're quick, coordinated, and super physical with great hands, which creates other intangible advantages on D. They made the Celtics look like they forgot how to dribble sometimes.


Blaming bad shooting for a game or two may make sense, but when the same defense does it series after series, it's not a coincidence. Because Statmuse was quoted as saying the Bucks had open threes their last game, as I posted earlier, I re-watched the last two Bucks/Boston games. The difference in quality three point looks was huge.

The Celtics don't give up open threes and the Bucks do. I thought the Bucks would lose in six because of not having KM, but as the series unfolded, it was still winnable. I'm not sure Bud could have done a lot about solving the Celtics defense, but he could have done a lot to limit their threes.

As to the finals, I'd be very surprised if this is a short series. Both teams play good defense, which means the scores will likely be low.
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Post#1327 » by rilamann » Mon May 30, 2022 10:33 pm

Gant wrote:
Daver wrote:
BigO wrote:Boston's defense is for real and will keep them in any series. They shut down the Bucks (yes, without KM) and Miami and every other team they played in the second half of the season. People keep thinking it's just a coincidence that teams don't shoot well against Boston. It's not.



Not denying what your saying but how many open look 3s did the bucks have that they bricked that had zero to do with bostons D.How many wide open 3s did the bucks have that they clanked that had nothing to do with bostons D.
Same as the heat saw them miss alot of 3s where it didnt look like the boston guy gad no affect on the shot. Not denying their D isnt great but their has to be a line between where good D ends n just absolute garbage O begins


Those Bucks and Heat shooters didn't miss because Boston was lucky for two consecutive series. They missed because they were fatigued. The Celtics' defense wears people down.

So does the Miami defense. They're quick, coordinated, and super physical with great hands, which creates other intangible advantages on D. They made the Celtics look like they forgot how to dribble sometimes.


You beat me to it.

To kind of echo you. Boston's defense makes you work your ass off offensively to get good shots, which wears you down and when you're worn down, open shots/good looks become more difficult.

That and Boston's defense never lets shooters get into a rythem or a flow. That's big. For example, in the regular season a lot of times we'll see the Buck's defense start off the game letting good shooters get good looks and that will allow guys to get a confidence and rythem going. Then when they start contesting shots in the 2nd half, guys are still hitting them with a hand in their face. Why? Because you allowed them get into a rythem and get their confidence going in the 1st half. You kind of created a monster.

Boston's defense never lets you get into a rythem like that. You might get a couple good looks over the course of the game, but not to where you're going to be able to get to any sort of rythem and you're going to be fatigued. We saw the Celtics do this with Grayson Allen in the Bucks series.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1328 » by Daver » Mon May 30, 2022 10:42 pm

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Daver wrote:
BigO wrote:Boston's defense is for real and will keep them in any series. They shut down the Bucks (yes, without KM) and Miami and every other team they played in the second half of the season. People keep thinking it's just a coincidence that teams don't shoot well against Boston. It's not.





Not denying what your saying but how many open look 3s did the bucks have that they bricked that had zero to do with bostons D.How many wide open 3s did the bucks have that they clanked that had nothing to do with bostons D.
Same as the heat saw them miss alot of 3s where it didnt look like the boston guy gad no affect on the shot. Not denying their D isnt great but their has to be a line between where good D ends n just absolute garbage O begins


Those Bucks and Heat shooters didn't miss because Boston was lucky for two consecutive series. They missed because they were fatigued. The Celtics' defense wears people down.

So does the Miami defense. They're quick, coordinated, and super physical with great hands, which creates other intangible advantages on D. They made the Celtics look like they forgot how to dribble sometimes.


Bucks shot like sh..in the 2nd game already doubt they were fatigued that quickly maybe your right but i still think its a combo of both but what do i know
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1329 » by rilamann » Mon May 30, 2022 11:11 pm

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Gant wrote:
Daver wrote:

Not denying what your saying but how many open look 3s did the bucks have that they bricked that had zero to do with bostons D.How many wide open 3s did the bucks have that they clanked that had nothing to do with bostons D.
Same as the heat saw them miss alot of 3s where it didnt look like the boston guy gad no affect on the shot. Not denying their D isnt great but their has to be a line between where good D ends n just absolute garbage O begins


Those Bucks and Heat shooters didn't miss because Boston was lucky for two consecutive series. They missed because they were fatigued. The Celtics' defense wears people down.

So does the Miami defense. They're quick, coordinated, and super physical with great hands, which creates other intangible advantages on D. They made the Celtics look like they forgot how to dribble sometimes.


Blaming bad shooting for a game or two may make sense, but when the same defense does it series after series, it's not a coincidence. Because Statmuse was quoted as saying the Bucks had open threes their last game, as I posted earlier, I re-watched the last two Bucks/Boston games. The difference in quality three point looks was huge.

The Celtics don't give up open threes and the Bucks do. I thought the Bucks would lose in six because of not having KM, but as the series unfolded, it was still winnable. I'm not sure Bud could have done a lot about solving the Celtics defense, but he could have done a lot to limit their threes.

As to the finals, I'd be very surprised if this is a short series. Both teams play good defense, which means the scores will likely be low.


Celtics Warriors should be a really good series. I don't really watch the game with a coach's eye, but if you're someone who does, you couldn't ask for a more interesting match-up.

If anyone maybe has the blueprint and more importantly, the personnel to solve Boston's defense, it could be this Warriors team.

I think to exploit Boston's defense you have to able to space the floor and and use a **** ton of ball movement. The Warriors can obviously space the floor as good as anyone and they are always moving the ball. That could be the Celtic's kryptonite. Bucks & Heat didn't move the ball nearly enough against Boston's defense and the Heat's floor spacing was really bad at times.

I think ball movement is really the key to attacking the Celtic's defense. I always kind of look at ball movement and how much do you have to move the ball to get a good shot as a litmus test to gauge an NBA defense without getting too deep into the stats. Against a bad or mediocre defense you only have to pass the ball 2-3 times to get a good shot, against a solid defense 4-6 times. Against this Celtic's defense you have to keep moving the ball around for a big chunk of the shot clock to get a good shot. And that's easier said than done because the Celtic's are really good at getting their hands in passing lanes. It's also easier than done because most NBA teams don't have the discipline or are unselfish enough to move the ball as much as you need to against this Celtic's defense. As we've all seen over the past 2 months, this Celtic's defense is next level.

Like I said, I think if there is one team in the league that has the coaching and the personnel to exploit Boston's defense, it is this Warriors team. We'll see, it should be good.
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Post#1330 » by Iheartfootball » Mon May 30, 2022 11:23 pm

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Post#1331 » by jschligs » Tue May 31, 2022 1:08 am

I know I’m biased. But the Tatum text to Kobe that’s now circulating that he sent yesterday, then screenshotted to share for the world to see is so ****ing cringe. Like, it was 100% for clout in my opinion. Yea, it has nothing to do with him on the court, but it makes me want Boston to lose even more than I already did.
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Post#1334 » by chonestown » Tue May 31, 2022 3:54 am

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Post#1335 » by DrWood » Tue May 31, 2022 4:53 am

I've seen Ham to the Lakers as being part of a long play to sign Giannis once he has an option year.
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Post#1336 » by JayMKE » Tue May 31, 2022 8:44 am

DrWood wrote:I've seen Ham to the Lakers as being part of a long play to sign Giannis once he has an option year.

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Post#1337 » by JayMKE » Tue May 31, 2022 8:57 am

Im hoping Boston gets smacked down hard, swept

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Post#1338 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue May 31, 2022 9:12 am

DrWood wrote:I've seen Ham to the Lakers as being part of a long play to sign Giannis once he has an option year.

They should try bringing in Masai, who is like a father to Giannis. Or maybe try bringing in Kidd, who Giannis fought to keep in Milwaukee. Or try to capture some of the nightlife and #HeatCulture going on in Miami. I've been told those were the reasons he was going to leave before, maybe it'll work next time.
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Post#1339 » by MickeyDavis » Tue May 31, 2022 12:22 pm

So dumb to have so many off days during the Finals instead of keeping the every other day schedule of the conference finals.
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