Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[emunney]

Has it been confirmed if we’ve used the TPMLE on any of our spending so far? We can’t do a S&T with a RFA if we have correct, Isn’t that part of the restrictions? I’m wondering if that applies to our interest in Kuminga and how that could even possibly work?

Would a legal trade be if Kuminga signed an extension matching whatever the salary slot is needed for a trade attached with Moody’s 11m for Kuzma, AJ Green and the 2031 1st? If Kuminga signs like a 3/40 extension, him and Moody would be right around Kuzma and Greens salary together. But again I have no idea if that’s legal or not?

KPJ/Rollins
Trent/Moody/Harris
Kuminga/Prince
Giannis/Bobby/Smith
Myles/Sims

No TPMLE if you use cap space. With the way the deals have currently been described, we're using cap space to sign Turner and the Room MLE to sign KPJ and Trent. Although why it's necessary for Trent isn't totally clear to me.

[raferfenix]

on the Gary Harris topic. Shams listed him as a forward when he posted the Bucks signing. I took note of that because he has never played forward in his career according to his bball reference page. So is that some kind of foreshadowing or just a mistake?

That struck me too.

Wouldn’t be shocked if Harris ends up with a bigger role than we’d otherwise expect.

His defense is good but offense and health iffy the last few seasons if I understand correctly?

[MVP2110]

Bucks were interested in Tre Mann

Bucks are interested in bringing back Rollins, but he also has interest from the Blazers, Suns, Lakers, & Spurs

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[yb90]

Scrolling through cap sheets for Kuzma deals

RJ Barrett- Gives TOR 9 million in cap space next year that's needed after the Poetl deal. They only have 13 million and could have a top 5 draft pick.

Derozan- SAC doesn't need cap savings. Basically if they prefer a PF and clear up the wing rotation.

Wiggins- similar to Derozan although does give the Heat 10 million in cap space next year. Would think we would need to send more incentives.

Klay- this would be using Dallas as the third team taking on Kuzma since Nico was interested in Kuzma prior. Could send Klay to all 3 teams listed above as additional savings next year of 3 million.

I think Charlotte might be another Kuzma landing destination in a 3 team deal. They need more size and with LaMelo he can run the floor. I think they would give up Williams and Jeffries to a team like Philly(Grimes), Toronto(Barrett), and Miami(Wiggins). This would give those teams major cap savings while adding a serviceable rotation player in Grant. Jeffries would likely be released to save more money.

[SupremeHustle]

There's a lack of elite big wings these days, like in the past 4-5 years you've had to worry about LeBron, KD, Kawhi, Luka, Tatum, Butler, etc and having bodies to defend guys like that but there just isn't as many of those guys on that level anymore. LeBron/KD are aging, Kawhi is aging and injured, Butler also aging, Tatum blew out his achilles, and Luka's chubby.

It would have been a bigger problem like 4-5 years ago. But now I think the firepower of 3 guards with offensive skill next to Giannis more than makes up for it.

I really do think KPJ/Green/GTJ/Giannis/Turner is going to be a sick lineup, barring KPJ just falling off a cliff. But I'm weirdly optimistic that he's one of those late bloomer guys who just took some time to figure it out and find the right team for him.

The only difference between KPJ and SGA is a ring. You know the rest.

But seriously, I think a three-guard lineup can work. Nobody posts up anymore, especially not so-called small forwards. Where have all the Big Dogs gone?

We just need three YOUNG! switchable guys on the perimeter with Giannis and Turner watching their backs. It would be great to have a crazy athlete who can play the 2/3 position. I really want that to happen eventually. But maybe we will be okay with a 3-guard lineup.

Now watch Doc counter with this lineup in crunch time:

KPJ
Kuz
Bobby
Giannis
Turner

[soxperry]

Bucks were interested in Tre Mann

Bucks are interested in bringing back Rollins, but he also has interest from the Blazers, Suns, Lakers, & Spurs

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hmmm, this gets interesting with Rollins.

with his early bird rights, we can pay him 105% of last year's league average salary. That allows us to go up to 9.65M in theory but i'm not sure we have that much room. We also need room to take back salary if need be in a Kuzma trade.

I have to hunt down our current cap situation but the bigger question is how much room do all those teams have left? Assuming Blazers probably have a ton, Suns probably not, Lakers no, and Spurs yes. But i'll see what i can find and report back.

[soxperry]

Rollins Suitors

Blazers: Can't find recent info but going off of fanspo they seem to be pretty far below the tax which means full MLE and BAE.

Suns: I can't find recent info for them but I would suspect that the BAE is as high as they could possibly go with a vet min contract being more likely.

Lakers: Full BAE of 5.1, 3.3M below 1st apron, no open roster spots unless they dont sign their 2nd round pick or make a move

Spurs: Still have 9.1 in MLE left, full BAE of 5.1 left, 2 open roster spots, 14M in room before tax.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

There's a lack of elite big wings these days, like in the past 4-5 years you've had to worry about LeBron, KD, Kawhi, Luka, Tatum, Butler, etc and having bodies to defend guys like that but there just isn't as many of those guys on that level anymore. LeBron/KD are aging, Kawhi is aging and injured, Butler also aging, Tatum blew out his achilles, and Luka's chubby.

It would have been a bigger problem like 4-5 years ago. But now I think the firepower of 3 guards with offensive skill next to Giannis more than makes up for it.

I really do think KPJ/Green/GTJ/Giannis/Turner is going to be a sick lineup, barring KPJ just falling off a cliff. But I'm weirdly optimistic that he's one of those late bloomer guys who just took some time to figure it out and find the right team for him.

love this post. if you have two switchable athletic bigs that both guard the rim then absolutely the 1-3 can all be guards as long as....

1. the guards are all generally strong defenders in their own right
2. we have enough rebounding

thats my take anyway. rebounding is the thing that maybe gets us?

green and trent are the 2-3. have some bigger chess pieces on the bench but this teams death lineup needs to be kpj, trent, green, giannis....and a mobile switchable rim protecting stretch 5. seems like we just got 3 hybrid versions of that too. if bobby could move a little better and protect the rim we wouldnt need turner. and if sims could shoot we wouldnt need either. a little nervous about turners health and shooting. hes had down years. either way 3 nice bigs to run out there with those 4 depending on the matchup and health and rest. those 4 are my rock solid miniute eaters 1-4 tho

main thing is that if your guards can punch above their weight class defensively on bigger guys then they will absolutely be in the best interest of modern offense

[MickeyDavis]

Interest in Rollins could be legit or it could be the common practice of agents (Mike Sullivan and Brandon Grier in this case) drumming up "interest".

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

i wonder if charlotte would consider kuzma for sexton. sexton could be a backup for a year then disappear. its the kind of move we need to be looking for if a bigger fish along with our picks doesnt materialize.

i guess the alterntive to that is we nee kuzmas salary slot regardless moving forward. like after dames stretch we have nothing to deal besides bobby or turner ffs

one thing i dont like with the cba is tht they dont let you trade dead salary. i think we should be able to trade dames dead salary if we wanted to. if you can trade a player and his salary why cant you trade just the salary. like theoretically in a couple years shouldnt we be able to make a trade that puts whatever is left of his strecth onto some other teams books? chunk em a player and a pick and make it work with TPEs or whatever?

it just seems reasonable that we still have a 22 million dollar salary slot we should be able to trade it. its called a salary cap. you can trade salary. its not like we arent actually on the hook for it and the ramifications are affecting us immediately even with what we could offer turner. i think that aspect is the worst part of this stretch move honestly. the stretch deals are GREAT for players and way to punitive for the teams. teams should be able to do it and still retain that slot for deal making

[soxperry]

One last thought on Rollins...

It seems that, after the Micic buyout which by all accounts should be for a very small fraction of his 8M salary, we are somewhere around 25M below the tax. This is more than enough room to match the largest offer Rollins could get AND bring back the maximum amount of salary possible in a Kuzma/Andre deal (+6.1M).

Even if way pay Rollins 9M per year, which is highly doubtful, AND we made that Kuzma/Andre deal to take back +6.1M, we would still have almost 10M under the tax. I dont know who else is out there to sign, but having that room may give us incentive to do a sign and trade for Turner and access the MLE.

[Serge28]

What about bringing Brogdon back? He's got good size, was a key piece of our only 3rd ECF run in 30 years in 2019, and can still hit 3s and play D. Would be a nice depth signing.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

as it relates to beal, brogdon, paul, this guy, that guy.... a peek back at beasley is next? wtf?

kuminga for kuzma and our picks is what the actual **** for real?

man just bring back rollins at the absolute most we have to pay him and make it team options and ****. give him minutes and a legit role. we need more salary slots and the kid is not a bum. short term maybe we can do a hair better on the court but longterm we need to develop some effing talent around here. we can not afford to lose guys if they have a little interest out there and some upside we all can see.

these other names are not helping us if whats happening is a reset. were under the gun we HAVE to develop our own

if we do then we'll have some decent salary with kuzmas expiring and those picks and we can make a real run at a no brainer type of guy sooner than later if we just relax now imo

the same guys bitching about not developing talent shouldnt have a say in bringing in vet min guys to cockblock everybody else on the roster trying to make it around here. this next year with the vets we already have gives us a real chance to get some youngters out there in some real roles and see if 1-2 pops up bigtime. win 45 instead of 50 wgaf. we need to be focused on the future this one year and giving some guys a real shot at playing time

[raferfenix]

Interest in Rollins could be legit or it could be the common practice of agents (Mike Sullivan and Brandon Grier in this case) drumming up "interest".

This section of Scotto’s piece seems ghost written by an agent (also Bucks linked to Ayton pre-Turner):

Deandre Ayton received exploratory interest from the Indiana Pacers, New York Knicks, Denver Nuggets, Cleveland Cavaliers, and Milwaukee Bucks (before agreeing to a deal with Myles Turner) before joining the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources told HoopsHype.

Ayton ultimately decided the Lakers were the best basketball fit and allowed him the opportunity to join forces with Luka Doncic, who’s the same age and considered the best playmaker in the NBA in Ayton’s eyes.

Following success playing with guards such as Chris Paul and Ricky Rubio in Phoenix, Ayton hopes to recreate that playmaking chemistry with Doncic.

As reported by HoopsHype, Ayton will earn $34 million this upcoming season between the Trail Blazers and Lakers combined, while also having a player option in his contract for the 2026-27 season.

Lastly, as teams reached out to Trail Blazers officials on background, the feedback was consistently positive regarding Ayton, who was a community staple in Portland and hosted many team bonding events during the season.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-jonas-valanciunas-deandre-ayton-free-agency/

[Frank Nova]

Has it been confirmed if we’ve used the TPMLE on any of our spending so far? We can’t do a S&T with a RFA if we have correct, Isn’t that part of the restrictions? I’m wondering if that applies to our interest in Kuminga and how that could even possibly work?

Would a legal trade be if Kuminga signed an extension matching whatever the salary slot is needed for a trade attached with Moody’s 11m for Kuzma, AJ Green and the 2031 1st? If Kuminga signs like a 3/40 extension, him and Moody would be right around Kuzma and Greens salary together. But again I have no idea if that’s legal or not?

KPJ/Rollins
Trent/Moody/Harris
Kuminga/Prince
Giannis/Bobby/Smith
Myles/Sims

No TPMLE if you use cap space. With the way the deals have currently been described, we're using cap space to sign Turner and the Room MLE to sign KPJ and Trent. Although why it's necessary for Trent isn't totally clear to me.

Thanks! So is that a legal trade?

A young promising player and a draft pick could easily be AJ Green and the 2031 1st in a Kuminga trade. I’d want Moody attached and someone to take Kuzma all in the same deal tho…

[soxperry]

Has it been confirmed if we’ve used the TPMLE on any of our spending so far? We can’t do a S&T with a RFA if we have correct, Isn’t that part of the restrictions? I’m wondering if that applies to our interest in Kuminga and how that could even possibly work?

Would a legal trade be if Kuminga signed an extension matching whatever the salary slot is needed for a trade attached with Moody’s 11m for Kuzma, AJ Green and the 2031 1st? If Kuminga signs like a 3/40 extension, him and Moody would be right around Kuzma and Greens salary together. But again I have no idea if that’s legal or not?

KPJ/Rollins
Trent/Moody/Harris
Kuminga/Prince
Giannis/Bobby/Smith
Myles/Sims

No TPMLE if you use cap space. With the way the deals have currently been described, we're using cap space to sign Turner and the Room MLE to sign KPJ and Trent. Although why it's necessary for Trent isn't totally clear to me.

Thanks! So is that a legal trade?

A young promising player and a draft pick could easily be AJ Green and the 2031 1st in a Kuminga trade. I’d want Moody attached and someone to take Kuzma all in the same deal tho…

I dont really know much about Kuminga other than he is athletic, put up about 15ppg, is very young still, and the Warriors dont want him.

So is he like a Mathurin type?

Edit: hot take incoming

Watched his playoff highlights and i'm out. already knew going in that he's a bad 3 point shooter and bad free throw shooter. has not had a positive Dlebron rating in any season yet, and all of his highlights are of him just getting fed on easy takes to the basket in transition. doesn't seem to have great body control or fluidity. he will definitely stick in the league and find a role but trading our last asset for him would be a mistake.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

No TPMLE if you use cap space. With the way the deals have currently been described, we're using cap space to sign Turner and the Room MLE to sign KPJ and Trent. Although why it's necessary for Trent isn't totally clear to me.

Thanks! So is that a legal trade?

A young promising player and a draft pick could easily be AJ Green and the 2031 1st in a Kuminga trade. I’d want Moody attached and someone to take Kuzma all in the same deal tho…

I dont really know much about Kuminga other than he is athletic, put up about 15ppg, is very young still, and the Warriors dont want him.

So is he like a Mathurin type?

Edit: hot take incoming

Watched his playoff highlights and i'm out. already knew going in that he's a bad 3 point shooter and bad free throw shooter. has not had a positive Dlebron rating in any season yet, and all of his highlights are of him just getting fed on easy takes to the basket in transition. doesn't seem to have great body control or fluidity. he will definitely stick in the league and find a role but trading our last asset for him would be a mistake.

hes basically ajax trying to be giannis and interviewing like monta. hed be horrendous. we already have kuzma for that role

he does have a chance to make alot of money playing in this league for teams that need volume and energy while theyre tanking tho. hope he makes a mint playing everywhere but milwaukee

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

One last thought on Rollins...

It seems that, after the Micic buyout which by all accounts should be for a very small fraction of his 8M salary, we are somewhere around 25M below the tax. This is more than enough room to match the largest offer Rollins could get AND bring back the maximum amount of salary possible in a Kuzma/Andre deal (+6.1M).

Even if way pay Rollins 9M per year, which is highly doubtful, AND we made that Kuzma/Andre deal to take back +6.1M, we would still have almost 10M under the tax. I dont know who else is out there to sign, but having that room may give us incentive to do a sign and trade for Turner and access the MLE.

wow good ideas here

[Frank Nova]

The Kuminga hate seems off to me, the kid still oozes potential. He was wrong for going to the media to share his frustration about the way Kerr was using him or lack thereof but I don’t buy that he’s just some cancerous player because the world class Golden State organization treats him like a black sheep. That’s also a franchise that’s known to under develop young talent and hasn’t done so since Curry/Klay/Draymond.

I think any team that takes the chance on Kuminga and gets him away from Kerr and puts him in the right situation will thoroughly enjoy the fruits of his labor.

[bucksfansince88]

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