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Ron Swanson wrote:Horford would have been a fine Brook replacement but signing him at this point wouldn't make a lick of sense for either party. That has to be an old rumor.
Ron Swanson wrote:Horford would have been a fine Brook replacement but signing him at this point wouldn't make a lick of sense for either party. That has to be an old rumor.
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:tedbrogen wrote:GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:if the volume snipers arent sniping then what is the alternative approach with this roster?
trents shot was broke as dick when the season started. delon was a mess. khris was awol. doc didnt have many options last year quite frankly. its not surprising ajax got run. or prince who was literally leading the league in 3pt%. or kuzma immediately after the trade all got alot of run.
the season was a bit of a mess. i think we figured some things out tho. we have better options of the same mold this year.
No excuse for Doc going to and sticking with AJJ but never trying AJG as the starting SG.
Yeah, GTJ was not good to start the season because he had a back injury then he got better but for some reason they kept rolling out TP at SG which I don’t think even you will try to defend.
well green started 7 games and was absolutely horrible in them. probably not a big enough sample for me to pull the plug all year but every one of his starts he kinda sucked. like literally every one until that last game in indy where he played wonderfully.
so maybe doc just got it in his head he was better off the bench? i do know he feels strongly on him. hes said that time and again. and starter or reserve he always got his minutes. the interview where he said green and trent were gonna break out.... i think to break out you have to play more of a role right?
Green....
starter(7 games reg season)
24.7 mpg
29% fg%
30.2 3pt%
42.7 ts%
-12.0 net rating
off the bench
22.5 mpg
44.7 fg%
44.4 3pt%
64.5 ts%
+8.8 net rating
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Trent.....
starter(9 games reg season)
31.2 mpg
35.2 fg%
28.3 3pt%
49.7 ts%
-9.5 net rating
off the bench
24.8 mpg
44.3 fg%
43.7 3pt%
60.7 ts%
+3.8 net rating
like i said. last year was a mess. there was alot to figure out. trents numbers as a starter were just as bad. but im sure he'd do it again a different way looking back but the main takeaway is i think doc knows how we have to play and hes gonna commit to that this year
Ron Swanson wrote:Horford would have been a fine Brook replacement but signing him at this point wouldn't make a lick of sense for either party. That has to be an old rumor.
Knightro wrote:Cole Anthony is a good dude.
A little too emotional and that has impacted his confidence and play on the court, but he is really well liked in the locker room. A legit good guy for team chemistry.
As far as on the court... it's a mixed bag.
He's capable of having legitimately monster games where you're like "holy crap, this dude is awesome!"
Just over the past couple of years he's had...
35-8-9
22-4-9
27-3-4
24-7-4
30-7-7
25-6-5
23-10-9
All with good shooting percentages and all in victories. There will absolutely be two or three games this season that Cole is on fire and straight up wins for you.
He's also a VERY good rebounding guard, one of the better ones in the league.
But those monster games are, unfortunately, few and far between. There's way too many 0-7, 1-9, 3-12 kind of games where he just doesn't have it and really hurts the team when he's out there.
Defensively, he's not very good. His defensive metrics are bit inflated because he's such a good defensive rebounder. He's a one position defender because of his size and he's very grabby which leads to a lot of dumb fouls. He's a great load up and jump off two feet leaper, so he can actually fly in for some blocks out of nowhere, but otherwise he's just not overly helpful on the defensive end.
His 3PT shot is very inconsistent, only one season over 35.3% in his five year career. He takes them, but he just doesn't make enough of them.
He's a guy who really gets down on himself easily and that impacts his play. If Doc and his staff can get him feeling confident, he can be a good bench scorer like he was in 2023 when he averaged 13 PPG off the bench on a .570 TS%. That year earned him the 13M a year contract he got, but he sadly just regressed pretty badly right after that. There were some rumors that he dealt with some stuff in his personal life (break up maybe?) that negatively impacted things for him.
But he's a very likable dude. He's quirky and gives fun postgame interviews when he plays well.
I wish him all the best and hope he does well for your team except when he plays the Magic.
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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Ron Swanson wrote:Prez wrote:I'm still at a loss as to the negativity on the Anthony signing. There's nothing preventing Doc leaning more into 3-guard lineups, playing Kuzma less at the 3 and more at the 4, and cutting Prince entirely out of the rotation. As it's been stated multiple times in here, while not ideal, having GTJ or AJ start and play the minutes at the 3 was extremely effective last year due to the sheer firepower/spacing you get next to Giannis and the lack of elite offensive SFs around the league to make us pay for that. There's absolutely room for all 5 guards to get their playing time without cutting a guy like Rollins out of the rotation. And if one or two of those guys doesn't live up to expectations, having another option to try out is just a positive.
Because people love to say that we should always just force feed minutes to certain prospects/young players we like, until of course it becomes an Ajax situation and it actively costs the team wins. It's the same with the Prince stuff except even weirder because again, Anthony's literally the 2nd youngest guard on the roster right now. I'm interested to see how he looks with Giannis and as far away from that horrendous offensive/spacing environment that he had in Orlando.
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:BigO wrote:GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
how can you be sure that anthony was signed because of doc? literally 90% of this board supports this move. what if.... i know this is crazy.... but what if.... its just a good move that doc supports BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD MOVE...... omfg
also.... prince and kuzma are switchable sf/pf's. we already have that. the last thing we need is another one. maybe an upgrade there but not another one
Prince and Kuzma aren't good defenders. If they are on the court, we have a losing team.
You can never have enough switchable defenders.
Anthony isnt very good. I've given the specifics of why- too short, can't attack the basket (per Orlando fan), low efficiency, bad three pointer, not good defender. He's tough and a good free throw shooter.
I want more complete players-Green, Trent, KPJ, and Rollins.
cole can dribble and attack. he can get a shot. we need guys like that too. hes young he has a pedigree and we need a playmaker. green, trent, kpj, and rollins either have no playmaking or a scarecrow brain for it. besides giannis we have not a true typical pg playmaker on the roster. you cant have an entire team of princeton guys like i know youd prefer. i have high hopes for cole and if he doesnt work out we can cut him loose cheap.
prince and kuzma are both nba average veteran defenders at the 3 and the 4. not great. mediocre-ish. if we find an good defender who hits 3's and plays smart along with another 30-40 million in cash to afford that guy then id be all for that guy.
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:Knightro wrote:Cole Anthony is a good dude.
A little too emotional and that has impacted his confidence and play on the court, but he is really well liked in the locker room. A legit good guy for team chemistry.
As far as on the court... it's a mixed bag.
He's capable of having legitimately monster games where you're like "holy crap, this dude is awesome!"
Just over the past couple of years he's had...
35-8-9
22-4-9
27-3-4
24-7-4
30-7-7
25-6-5
23-10-9
All with good shooting percentages and all in victories. There will absolutely be two or three games this season that Cole is on fire and straight up wins for you.
He's also a VERY good rebounding guard, one of the better ones in the league.
But those monster games are, unfortunately, few and far between. There's way too many 0-7, 1-9, 3-12 kind of games where he just doesn't have it and really hurts the team when he's out there.
Defensively, he's not very good. His defensive metrics are bit inflated because he's such a good defensive rebounder. He's a one position defender because of his size and he's very grabby which leads to a lot of dumb fouls. He's a great load up and jump off two feet leaper, so he can actually fly in for some blocks out of nowhere, but otherwise he's just not overly helpful on the defensive end.
His 3PT shot is very inconsistent, only one season over 35.3% in his five year career. He takes them, but he just doesn't make enough of them.
He's a guy who really gets down on himself easily and that impacts his play. If Doc and his staff can get him feeling confident, he can be a good bench scorer like he was in 2023 when he averaged 13 PPG off the bench on a .570 TS%. That year earned him the 13M a year contract he got, but he sadly just regressed pretty badly right after that. There were some rumors that he dealt with some stuff in his personal life (break up maybe?) that negatively impacted things for him.
But he's a very likable dude. He's quirky and gives fun postgame interviews when he plays well.
I wish him all the best and hope he does well for your team except when he plays the Magic.
thanks for this!!
so at the same age hes basically kpj if you traded high character for defense is what your saying?
looking at anthonys numbers and kpjs numbers...boxscore and advanced stats...... it would tough to know who the better player is thru their careers to this point.
why cant we all just be excited to give em a run this year maybe even together. they are by far the most dynamic, if not impactful, of the dudes on this roster besides giannis
BigO wrote:The Magic poster gave a pretty damning account of Anthony and you take it as a positive?
KPJ, besides being much taller and thicker than Anthony (which is a big advantage), is great at attacking the basket and in numerous other ways.
Anyone looking at the two players, rather than hunting stats to prove a point, would never say they have the same skillset or upside.
Having said that, counting on KPJ is still a risk, but one worth it, I just don't trust Doc to tell the difference.
Knightro wrote:To be fair to Cole, I was absolutely in favor of the extension he got at the time he signed it.
He was a very capable bench scorer in the 2022-2023 season and the Magic took off when he returned from injury (he missed the first like 20 games).
But he just regressed in a really rough way immediately after signing the extension. 2023-2024 he was terrible even though the Magic were quite good.
If the Bucks can get him back playing like he did in 2023, he will be worth the minimum contract (I’m assuming he got the minimum) they’re paying him.
But if he plays more like the last two years, probably not a guy you want playing too much outside of the 4-5 eruptions games he’ll have once a month.
Shaffty wrote:Cole anthony is a guy whose stats dont do him justice. His impact on this team will be much like josh harts on the knicks
Shaffty wrote:Cole anthony is a guy whose stats dont do him justice. His impact on this team will be much like josh harts on the knicks
tski1972 wrote:Shaffty wrote:Cole anthony is a guy whose stats dont do him justice. His impact on this team will be much like josh harts on the knicks
This seems like just a bit of a stretch.
tedbrogen wrote:GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:tedbrogen wrote:
No excuse for Doc going to and sticking with AJJ but never trying AJG as the starting SG.
Yeah, GTJ was not good to start the season because he had a back injury then he got better but for some reason they kept rolling out TP at SG which I don’t think even you will try to defend.
well green started 7 games and was absolutely horrible in them. probably not a big enough sample for me to pull the plug all year but every one of his starts he kinda sucked. like literally every one until that last game in indy where he played wonderfully.
so maybe doc just got it in his head he was better off the bench? i do know he feels strongly on him. hes said that time and again. and starter or reserve he always got his minutes. the interview where he said green and trent were gonna break out.... i think to break out you have to play more of a role right?
Green....
starter(7 games reg season)
24.7 mpg
29% fg%
30.2 3pt%
42.7 ts%
-12.0 net rating
off the bench
22.5 mpg
44.7 fg%
44.4 3pt%
64.5 ts%
+8.8 net rating
-------------------------
Trent.....
starter(9 games reg season)
31.2 mpg
35.2 fg%
28.3 3pt%
49.7 ts%
-9.5 net rating
off the bench
24.8 mpg
44.3 fg%
43.7 3pt%
60.7 ts%
+3.8 net rating
like i said. last year was a mess. there was alot to figure out. trents numbers as a starter were just as bad. but im sure he'd do it again a different way looking back but the main takeaway is i think doc knows how we have to play and hes gonna commit to that this year
We saw later in the season that KPJ/AJG/GTJ was the special sauce that made synergy together when out there with Giannis. Even after the epic Wolves comeback, Doc still rolled out TP/Kuz in the starting lineup until basically facing elimination.
Magically thinking Doc will go with the best lineup when there are decades of proof that he is a potato head is not a choice I’d be willing to make as GM.
Knightro wrote:BigO wrote:The Magic poster gave a pretty damning account of Anthony and you take it as a positive?
KPJ, besides being much taller and thicker than Anthony (which is a big advantage), is great at attacking the basket and in numerous other ways.
Anyone looking at the two players, rather than hunting stats to prove a point, would never say they have the same skillset or upside.
Having said that, counting on KPJ is still a risk, but one worth it, I just don't trust Doc to tell the difference.
To be fair to Cole, I was absolutely in favor of the extension he got at the time he signed it.
He was a very capable bench scorer in the 2022-2023 season and the Magic took off when he returned from injury (he missed the first like 20 games).
But he just regressed in a really rough way immediately after signing the extension. 2023-2024 he was terrible even though the Magic were quite good.
If the Bucks can get him back playing like he did in 2023, he will be worth the minimum contract (I’m assuming he got the minimum) they’re paying him.
But if he plays more like the last two years, probably not a guy you want playing too much outside of the 4-5 eruptions games he’ll have once a month.
mediocrityrules wrote:The more I hear about Cole Anthony, the more I believe that he's not really moving the needle at all for this team except for that one game a month where he really shows out. I can see many games where Kuz, TP and Cole all crap the bed together because of their inconsistency.
This is going to be a frustrating rollercoaster of a season.
raferfenix wrote:Shaffty wrote:Cole anthony is a guy whose stats dont do him justice. His impact on this team will be much like josh harts on the knicks
I do like how good of a rebounder Anthony is.
And the general athleticism albeit from an undersized 2 kind of guy.
Hope you’re right! Josh Hart is some seriously high praise.