Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd (as coach pg 43)?

Max Green · Post #1361 » by **Max Green** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:31 am

Wait, are guys really complaining now because the owners are pursuing Kidd before they've formally fired Larry Drew? The owners made it abundantly clear that in multiple public appearances that Larry Drew wasn't guaranteed any type of job security after the Draft. Larry Drew isn't being blindsided here, the Hawks were pursuing a new Head Coach this time last year before they formally fired Drew.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #1362 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:31 am

SkilesTheLimit wrote:JSOnline poll (full of casuals):

Do you like the choice of Jason Kidd to coach the Milwaukee Bucks?

Yes (38%)
No (62%)

Is the coverage from ESPN and other media pretty negative on Kidd?

ECBucksFan · Post #1363 » by **ECBucksFan** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:31 am

Could it be that the only change this season is Kidd in for Drew, then the next season Kidd is offered GM as well? Hammond basically would be a lame duck for a year, and would be expected to work closely with Kidd on personnel matters for this season. I am not advocating this, but that could also explain not having a new GM in place. Hammond might be willing to go the year as a duck if he can't get any takers for his services. Whoever is selected as POBO might be more of a figurehead, with Lasry calling the shots (think Jerry Jones). Just random thoughts.

Sherman Douglas · Post #1364 » by **Sherman Douglas** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:32 am

Totally relieved to hear it's just the coaching job. I'm fine with it, even if he wouldn't be my top choice.

Paradise · Post #1365 » by **Paradise** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:35 am

JayMKE wrote:I'm not sure what 'not preaching rebounding' means, like he wants to get out and go? I'd like that with our players. I would think they that this would be more because the Nets are a poor rebounding team more than anything. Teletovic, Blache, Lopez, 75 year old KG...

He usually wants to push the tempo after a miss. That usually leads to giving up offensive rebounding.

The Nets were 10th in rebounding in 2012-13 with Lopez, Evans, Humphries, Blatche and they ranked 29th under Kidd with Lopez, Blatche, Evans, KG, Pierce, Plumlee.

It's not a huge red flag but if the offense isn't potent, rebounding becomes a glaring issue. We got murdered by Detroit and Indiana regularly because of the rebounding disparity.

JEIS · Post #1366 » by **JEIS** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:35 am

Max Green wrote:Wait, are guys really complaining now because the owners are pursuing Kidd before they've formally fired Larry Drew? The owners made it abundantly clear that in multiple public appearances that Larry Drew wasn't guaranteed any type of job security after the Draft. Larry Drew isn't being blindsided here, the Hawks were pursuing a new Head Coach this time last year before they formally fired Drew.

If we didn't have a coach under contract we would look even more desperate than we are during negotiations.

machu46 · Post #1367 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:36 am

SkilesTheLimit wrote:It seems as though the Bucks hold all the cards here except for one thing: Prokhorov treats Kidd's $7.5 mil contract like you and I would treat a $5 bill.

Don't think for a second Prokhorov wouldn't mind paying Kidd just to prove a point because he's under contract and screw him over for future opportunities for the next 3 years.

1. As Jay mentioned, he'd be risking the reputation of the organization if he did that. Who would want to go there as a coach if there's a chance of them being relegated to not doing anything?

2. I'm not even sure he has the power to strip Kidd away from being the head coach while keeping him under a head coaching contract. I feel like there's a pretty good chance that Kidd could sue and get his contract voided if that happens.

bigkurty · Post #1368 » by **bigkurty** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:40 am

LittleRooster wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
LittleRooster wrote:I don't think anyone cares about Drew's hurt feelings but it's the way the owners are going about things that's troubling

Going aggressively after the guy they covet?

Not hiring a gm to make that decision

Here is a dirty little secret, no high level manager at my company gets hired without an owners approval. Why people think they have to hire a pobo who hires a gm who then hires a coach and why people think no higher level manager would have any input on what happens a layer or two below them does not understand how the real world works. Sorry guys, that **** happens in just about every well run organization. Mark Zuckerberg might have a COO who is in charge of a VP of mobile, a VP of advertising, etc. Do some of you guys honestly think Zuckerberg is not going to have any input over the guy who heads up mobile if he puts a COO in the middle? If you own a company and believe in someone's talent, 9 times out of 10, you make sure they get hired.

xTitan · Post #1369 » by **xTitan** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:40 am

SkilesTheLimit wrote:JSOnline poll (full of casuals):

Do you like the choice of Jason Kidd to coach the Milwaukee Bucks?

Yes (38%)
No (62%)

That should surprise nobody

SpursNBucks · Post #1370 » by **SpursNBucks** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:41 am

[MIKE C] wrote:I don't think Lasry and Edens were interviewing various HC candidates while keeping Drew employed. I think they just jumped on an opportunity that suddenly came up. They couldn't fire Drew first before they talked to Kidd because they have no idea if they'll be able to agree to compensation for Kidd. I'm having a hard time getting worked up about this. Drew knows what's up. He knows his days are numbered. If he wants out now so he can pursue other opportunities he can make that request.

BINGO

trwi7 · Post #1371 » by **trwi7** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:42 am

bigkurty wrote:
LittleRooster wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
Going aggressively after the guy they covet?

Not hiring a gm to make that decision

Here is a dirty little secret, no high level manager at my company gets hired without an owners approval. Why people think they have to hire a pobo who hires a gm who then hires a coach and why people think no higher level manager would have any input on what happens a layer or two below them does not understand how the real world works. Sorry guys, that **** happens in just about every well run organization. Mark Zuckerberg might have a COO who is in charge of a VP of mobile, a VP of advertising, etc. Do some of you guys honestly think Zuckerberg is not going to have any input over the guy who heads up mobile if he puts a COO in the middle? If you own a company and believe in someone's talent, 9 times out of 10, you make sure they get hired.

Seriously. If it turns out that these guys meddle and make Kohl type hires, they'll get bashed and deservedly so. If they do make smart hires and are involved but hire smart people and moves work out, they'll be praised and deservedly so.

Zeezprah · Post #1372 » by **Zeezprah** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:46 am

xTitan wrote:
SkilesTheLimit wrote:JSOnline poll (full of casuals):

Do you like the choice of Jason Kidd to coach the Milwaukee Bucks?

Yes (38%)
No (62%)

That should surprise nobody

i'm actually pretty surprised, i'd think the average fan would be all over this.

i think all the negative stuff in the media since this came out has swayed opinion.

Ayt · Post #1373 » by **Ayt** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:47 am

xTitan wrote:
SkilesTheLimit wrote:JSOnline poll (full of casuals):

Do you like the choice of Jason Kidd to coach the Milwaukee Bucks?

Yes (38%)
No (62%)

That should surprise nobody

True. People have allowed themselves to be manipulated by the information that has been leaked. If we had hired Kidd without anything having been leaked by the Nets, the poll would be flipped in an even more favorable position towards the Bucks.

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Oscar71 · Post #1374 » by **Oscar71** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:48 am

Trying to reset the timeline here....
News breaks that the Bucks may want to hire Kidd as team president....
Currently now interested in Kidd as Head Coach.....
At this rate by Tuesday, Hammond will try to sign him to a 2-yr deal to play point.....
By Friday, Kidd will be Bango's replacement.....

SpursNBucks · Post #1375 » by **SpursNBucks** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:52 am

All owners meddle, it's more about their philosophy. I don't think these guys are shooting for the 8th seed as a goal. That is thee difference between them and Kohl.

clutchiness · Post #1376 » by **clutchiness** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:52 am

I haven't seen anything remotely positive or sympathetic regarding Kidd anywhere...with the exception of a few posters in this thread.

bigkurty · Post #1377 » by **bigkurty** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:55 am

trwi7 wrote:
bigkurty wrote:
LittleRooster wrote:
Not hiring a gm to make that decision

Here is a dirty little secret, no high level manager at my company gets hired without an owners approval. Why people think they have to hire a pobo who hires a gm who then hires a coach and why people think no higher level manager would have any input on what happens a layer or two below them does not understand how the real world works. Sorry guys, that **** happens in just about every well run organization. Mark Zuckerberg might have a COO who is in charge of a VP of mobile, a VP of advertising, etc. Do some of you guys honestly think Zuckerberg is not going to have any input over the guy who heads up mobile if he puts a COO in the middle? If you own a company and believe in someone's talent, 9 times out of 10, you make sure they get hired.

Seriously. If it turns out that these guys meddle and make Kohl type hires, they'll get bashed and deservedly so. If they do make smart hires and are involved but hire smart people and moves work out, they'll be praised and deservedly so.

Kohl earned his reputation of making bad meddling decisions over the course of decades. He inherited all his money. These owners just got on the job and made their money themselves. They actually built it. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt? If I had to bet on who is smarter, them or anyone on this board including myself, I am choosing them. If time geso by with bad documented decision after bad decision, then I will change my mind.

trwi7 · Post #1378 » by **trwi7** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:58 am

bigkurty wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
bigkurty wrote:Here is a dirty little secret, no high level manager at my company gets hired without an owners approval. Why people think they have to hire a pobo who hires a gm who then hires a coach and why people think no higher level manager would have any input on what happens a layer or two below them does not understand how the real world works. Sorry guys, that **** happens in just about every well run organization. Mark Zuckerberg might have a COO who is in charge of a VP of mobile, a VP of advertising, etc. Do some of you guys honestly think Zuckerberg is not going to have any input over the guy who heads up mobile if he puts a COO in the middle? If you own a company and believe in someone's talent, 9 times out of 10, you make sure they get hired.

Seriously. If it turns out that these guys meddle and make Kohl type hires, they'll get bashed and deservedly so. If they do make smart hires and are involved but hire smart people and moves work out, they'll be praised and deservedly so.

Kohl earned his reputation of making bad meddling decisions over the course of decades. He inherited all his money. These owners just got on the job and made their money themselves. They actually built it. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt? If I had to bet on who is smarter, them or anyone on this board including myself, I am choosing them. If time geso by with bad documented decision after bad decision, then I will change my mind.

Yeah, the fact that they said they want to rebuild and model like San Antonio and OKC is smarter than anything Kohl ever did.

SpursNBucks · Post #1379 » by **SpursNBucks** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:05 am

JSONLINE - reports that the Nets holding out for a 1st round pick, and Bucks only offering a 2nd. I would just back off this deal, fire Drew, and look elsewhere. Let the Nets sit on Kidd, sounds like that is going to be a bad situation there - call their bluff. I don't think Kidd and the Nets can co-exist anymore. It also is being reported that Kidd wants $25 mill 4 year deal - he had signed $11 mil 4 year deal with Nets. Fire Drew and begin the search.

th87 · Post #1380 » by **th87** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:06 am

Two instances of people forcing their way to Milwaukee in less than a week. Kind of refreshing.

Do you want the Bucks to hire Jason Kidd as POBO?