2017 TV/Movie/Book Thread with Spoilers

[ReasonablySober]

I will legitimately never understand people that love reading spoilers. Thank god I never read the books or listened to any of my obnoxious book-reading friends before I saw the Red Wedding episode in GOT. Had I known what was gonna happen, it would have completely killed the impact and emotion of the moment and rendered that episode incredibly forgettable.

I've read the books and in no way was the episode spoiled.

The book was 10x better. So much more detail. I had to re-read it 3x because I couldn't believe what just happened.

Plus in the books Rob was a much more compelling character. He was a 14 year old Kid that was seduced by a Lannister plant hand maiden that nursed him back to health after he was injured in battle. She had sex with him and because how his brother Jon was raised. Rob was afraid of fathering a Bastard and taking a girl's maidenhood without marrying her.

He was honor bound. In the TV Show he is 18 and chases a skirt. You almost hope the dumb **** dies.

I had the same reaction. You're paragraphs deep before you realize what is actually happening.

[HKPackFan]

This is a bad and lazy take, tbh. Of course the show has fantastical elements. But the fact that those elements are fantastical does not justify a show that lacks a logical structure. That structure is what holds the show together; that enables the development of the plot to be understandable and digestible, even as it includes magic or dragons or zombies.

If you are going to watch a show like Game of Thrones and not expect at times for things to happen which defies that logical structure you are talking about, i don't know what to tell you.

What makes the show great and digestible is that they don't go overboard in this so that Jon Snow isn't killing others in battle by shooting arrows behind his back as he rides on a horse or armies of 100 "good guys" aren't wiping out armies of many thousands.

Euron and his armada knowing where to strike each time didn't seem a big stretch to me, but getting to both places time wise probably more so a stretch. Then again, i haven't read the books or studied GOT maps along with most likely required sail times from attack point A to attack point B vs the Unsullied at Casterly Rock.

Question away though if you wish, but that's just more data than i need for enjoying the show.

I think time is speeding up and throwing things off. Previous seasons movement from one area to another could take half a season or a whole season, now it's minutes later so characters seem to be able to teleport everywhere. That's a valid point, because the producers set the pace for us and now just tossed it out the window and euron being everywhere at once is poor pacing on their part.

[hege53190]

This is a bad and lazy take, tbh. Of course the show has fantastical elements. But the fact that those elements are fantastical does not justify a show that lacks a logical structure. That structure is what holds the show together; that enables the development of the plot to be understandable and digestible, even as it includes magic or dragons or zombies.

If you are going to watch a show like Game of Thrones and not expect at times for things to happen which defies that logical structure you are talking about, i don't know what to tell you.

What makes the show great and digestible is that they don't go overboard in this so that Jon Snow isn't killing others in battle by shooting arrows behind his back as he rides on a horse or armies of 100 "good guys" aren't wiping out armies of many thousands.

Euron and his armada knowing where to strike each time didn't seem a big stretch to me, but getting to both places time wise probably more so a stretch. Then again, i haven't read the books or studied GOT maps along with most likely required sail times from attack point A to attack point B vs the Unsullied at Casterly Rock.

Question away though if you wish, but that's just more data than i need for enjoying the show.

I think time is speeding up and throwing things off. Previous seasons movement from one area to another could take half a season or a whole season, now it's minutes later so characters seem to be able to teleport everywhere. That's a valid point, because the producers set the pace for us and now just tossed it out the window and euron being everywhere at once is poor pacing on their part.

Yeah, and George was worried about the 5 year jump. If George had the producers pacing he could have done the 5 year jump as a prologue to the 4th book.

Edit- It might have been better than the drivel that pooped out in A Feast for Crows.

[emunney]

It's possible because it's a TV show.

As a writer, you ask the audience to suspend disbelief, but you have to earn it by establishing boundaries and generally being coherent. It's just too big an ask if you suddenly have an omnipresent character with no justification.

This is a show with dragons, white walkers who are the walking dead, Jon Snow was brought back to life after being dead, etc,.

So it's not asking to much for a character to seem to know exactly where opposing armies will be at the perfect times, along with being able to get his sailing armadas there.

Yeah but it is, because we have been given nothing on Euron having supernatural abilities. You're saying that since a few things are different from our reality that the audience should be compelled to fully accept anything, and that has never been how storytelling has worked at any time in history. If you start toying with the rules of natural reality, continuity only becomes more important, not less. At the very least you need to acknowledge that what's happening is not normal and doesn't make conventional sense. I don't think that's what's happening with Euron. I think he's just a narrative contrivance whose only purpose is to balance the scales between Dany and Cersei, and I'm willing to bet he vanishes just as quickly as he appeared when he's no longer needed for that.

If there was some reason why Euron could do this, that's where I'd suspend disbelief. But from what I've seen, there's no reason, and more importantly, no evidence that the writers think there should be one.

[th87]

As a writer, you ask the audience to suspend disbelief, but you have to earn it by establishing boundaries and generally being coherent. It's just too big an ask if you suddenly have an omnipresent character with no justification.

This is a show with dragons, white walkers who are the walking dead, Jon Snow was brought back to life after being dead, etc,.

So it's not asking to much for a character to seem to know exactly where opposing armies will be at the perfect times, along with being able to get his sailing armadas there.

Yeah but it is, because we have been given nothing on Euron having supernatural abilities. You're saying that since a few things are different from our reality that the audience should be compelled to fully accept anything, and that has never been how storytelling has worked at any time in history. If you start toying with the rules of natural reality, continuity only becomes more important, not less. At the very least you need to acknowledge that what's happening is not normal and doesn't make conventional sense. I don't think that's what's happening with Euron. I think he's just a narrative contrivance whose only purpose is to balance the scales between Dany and Cersei, and I'm willing to bet he vanishes just as quickly as he appeared when he's no longer needed for that.

If there was some reason why Euron could do this, that's where I'd suspend disbelief. But from what I've seen, there's no reason, and more importantly, no evidence that the writers think there should be one.

Yup. Careful exposition has established that this is a world with dragons and zombies in it. No such thing had been done for Euron, so it's nothing more than a deus ex machina to advance plot. Bad, jarring writing.

[tydett]

Spoiler:

Westeros map shown above. Apparently, in the time it took Dany to find out about her guys getting ambushed, Euron was able to make it back to King's Landing and then go to Casterly Rock all the way across the continent to catch up to the Unsullied who, I assume, had a huge head start on them since Euron had to go back and **** parade his success. Either Euron's ship turns into a 747 when nobody's looking, the ships the Unsullied got from Yara/Theon were literally the worst ships in the world, or the writers are really throwing timing out in the name of plot (which, again, I don't mind because I'd much rather have convergence than a slow burn of 5-6 minute sex scenes between a eunuch and his lover) - I'd stick to option C.

[Iheartfootball]

Who has seen The Wraith. It's my first time. 80s cheesy goodness.


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[MickeyDavis]

I was one who was happy GOT was wrapping up, it was too plodding the past season or two. But this season, holy cow, I guess they're going to cram as much in as they can since they have so few episodes until the end. I enjoy it. The pace of current TV shows moves way too slow. I'm rewatching Oz (HBO) and what happens in one episode in that series takes a whole season of Saul or Breaking Bad or any other recent series.

[ReasonablySober]

Only through episode two of The Keepers on Netflix but my god it's devastating.

[HKPackFan]

I was one who was happy GOT was wrapping up, it was too plodding the past season or two. But this season, holy cow, I guess they're going to cram as much in as they can since they have so few episodes until the end. I enjoy it. The pace of current TV shows moves way too slow. I'm rewatching Oz (HBO) and what happens in one episode in that series takes a whole season of Saul or Breaking Bad or any other recent series.

I agree the place used to be slow, but the battle scenes used to have some build up to them and they were well done. Now they just seem to be on fast forward, you show a couple seconds of hack and slash and it's over. I feel slightly cheapened. Granted I like things moving faster but I feel some things are being rushed and something is getting lost in the process.

[0BobLobLaw0]

Anyone watching Ozark on netflix? It's fantastic

[tski1972]

Who has seen The Wraith. It's my first time. 80s cheesy goodness.


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Charlie Sheen and the car, right?

[Siefer]

GOT:

Spoiler:

There have been a lot of good elements to this season so far, but it's moving much too fast for my liking. Time has been a bit murky in seasons past, but never before has it felt meaningless. Previously, they've been able to soften the jumps both in presentation (multiple episodes), and in plot (few overlapping threads). Presumably the Dornish/Greyjoy ships, and the Unsullied left Dragonstone about the same time. Euron has been given no build, and no real backstory, but the writers are asking audiences to believe that he can ambush one group, visit King's Landing, and then run down the other group on the other side of the continent. It feels like a bucket of plot contrivances.

Another victim of the blistering pace may be Bran's character. When we last saw him, he was still interacting somewhat normally with his uncle Benjen, but they need him to be an omniscient, detached force, so now he is. Even the original 3ER showed more personality than this. Perhaps it was a direction/performance issue, but everything about the Bran/Sansa scene felt off, and not in the way I think the show intended.

I mostly like how the show is handling Jaime's arc. They've meandered a bit, but I'm still invested in his personal journey. This is a guy who's turned the corner in his orientation to the world, but even his renewed senses of compassion and community can't quite escape the warping field created by his love for Cersei. His scene with Olenna is one of the shows best moments in years, and NCW beautifully sold how rattled Jaime was by the encounter.

[ReasonablySober]

GoT

Spoiler:

Time jumps don't matter at all to me. They established within the 1st couple episodes of the series that they weren't concerned with travel times or showing the day to day minutia that would make viewers bored. I don't get why people are only now up in arms of Euron, a guy known to be maybe the most accomplished sailer in the entire world.

[M-C-G]

If there was some reason why Euron could do this, that's where I'd suspend disbelief. But from what I've seen, there's no reason, and more importantly, no evidence that the writers think there should be one.

Two things, first he has 1000 ship fleet ( I think I have seen that referenced) which appear to move way faster than any other fleet. In the fight scenes we have seen, there haven't been near that many, so could be the fleet is split. I don't recall if Euron was visible in each scene or not, but the split fleet may be one loophole. Second, I think they eluded to some type of "more than mortal" by his initiation where they drowned him and he comes back from the dead.

I have no idea if either of those are actually intended to offer explanation but just thought I would throw that out there.

[M-C-G]

Anyone watching Ozark on netflix? It's fantastic

Halfway through it, really enjoying it. One thing though, it absolutely reminds me of some other show or some other movie and I can't put my finger on it, but the entire thing has a very familiar feeling to me.

[Badgerlander]

Who has seen The Wraith. It's my first time. 80s cheesy goodness.


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[M-C-G]

GOT:

Spoiler:

I mostly like how the show is handling Jaime's arc. They've meandered a bit, but I'm still invested in his personal journey. This is a guy who's turned the corner in his orientation to the world, but even his renewed senses of compassion and community can't quite escape the warping field created by his love for Cersei. His scene with Olenna is one of the shows best moments in years, and NCW beautifully sold how rattled Jaime was by the encounter.

Really agree with you on this. Jaime's internal growth and subsequent inner battle has been a fantastic storyline to watch. I'm really interested to see which side of the coin he ends up on.

[Nightfall]

GoT

Spoiler:

Time jumps don't matter at all to me. They established within the 1st couple episodes of the series that they weren't concerned with travel times or showing the day to day minutia that would make viewers bored. I don't get why people are only now up in arms of Euron, a guy known to be maybe the most accomplished sailer in the entire world.

Time in GoT :

Spoiler:

[jakecronus8]

Re: Jaime on GOT

Spoiler:

Really bothered me that he didn't plunge his sword into Olenna after she admitted to killing his son.