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Post#1361 » by skones » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:59 pm

Ruzious wrote:If Huerter turns heads, he'll have to do it while playing fewer minutes - since Atl is signing Bogdan - which makes their starting 5 much better.


I mean, you've been **** on the guy since before he was drafted, and you've been pretty off as is. It doesn't help when you continue to throw out the lazy "he's awfully slow."
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Post#1362 » by Bus or bust » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:00 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
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Prez wrote:Haha. Huerter was my guy that draft and tbh I actually didn't like Donte very much at all. I just think now that we've seen them both in the NBA, Donte has defensive talent & feel that Huerter will simply never touch, while there's a decent chance Donte becomes a 15 ppg on 37% 3PT kinda guy offensively. Just think as a two-way guy there's a more realistic path to Donte contributing more for a title team than Huerter.


Kevin Huerter is going to turn heads this year. Kid was 12/4/4 on 38% from three as a 21 year old. I think he's on the cusp of entering elite NBA floor spacer territory, which I don't think Donte ever touches. I love Donte, but I'd deal Donte for Huerter without thinking twice. I said it during that draft, and I'll say it again, Huerter has far more wiggle and floor game than people think. I think Huerter has legitimate fringe all-star upside, I think Donte is going to have a long super role player career.


I could see Huerter making the jump above his present Tony Snell status, but he'll never approach the value of Donte.


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Post#1363 » by skones » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:01 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
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Prez wrote:Haha. Huerter was my guy that draft and tbh I actually didn't like Donte very much at all. I just think now that we've seen them both in the NBA, Donte has defensive talent & feel that Huerter will simply never touch, while there's a decent chance Donte becomes a 15 ppg on 37% 3PT kinda guy offensively. Just think as a two-way guy there's a more realistic path to Donte contributing more for a title team than Huerter.


Kevin Huerter is going to turn heads this year. Kid was 12/4/4 on 38% from three as a 21 year old. I think he's on the cusp of entering elite NBA floor spacer territory, which I don't think Donte ever touches. I love Donte, but I'd deal Donte for Huerter without thinking twice. I said it during that draft, and I'll say it again, Huerter has far more wiggle and floor game than people think. I think Huerter has legitimate fringe all-star upside, I think Donte is going to have a long super role player career.


I could see Huerter making the jump above his present Tony Snell status, but he'll never approach the value of Donte.


Why even waste the time and space to say such a stupid thing?
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Post#1364 » by Chad34 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:02 pm

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Portis is the backup to Giannis, it's his most natural position


In your opinion can they get anything worthwhile from DJ Wilson in a backup C role? Or was that series of games in early 2019 a fluke.


DJ can defend, that was no fluke, he shows it with the Herd too. It's just a matter of he can ever make a shot. It seemed they liked something they saw in him in the bubble, but they never quite pulled the trigger on playing him.

If he could get through training camp without a hammy pull, that would be a good first step to his development.

it'd be nice if we could see some more of those few glimpses that made us think he can contribute
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Post#1365 » by vollbc74 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:11 pm

Regular season rotation?

PG: Jrue (24)/Augustine (24)
SG: Forbes (18)/DDV (22)/Jrue (8)
SF: Middleton (30)/ Pat (18)
PF: Giannis (25)/Craig (15)/Portis (8)
C: Lopez (25)/Portis (15)/Giannis (8)

11-15:DJ/Thanasis/Mason/Merrill/Nwora
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Post#1366 » by yannisk » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:11 pm

I don't particularly like the roster. We have upgraded Bledsoe to Holiday and we have lost massively in depth. It reminds me this bench we had with Liggins, Job, Payton the 3rd etc.

Who is our backup center? Apart from Lopez who is the big body we can put on Embiid for example
Our backcourt is Jrue and DDV both mediocre shooters, last year we had Wes who we could defend big SGs like Leonard and Butler this year we have this Forbes guy that can't defend anybody

we want Bud to play more the starters especially in the playoffs but injuries happen, people get in foul trouble or have bad games, are we going to play the 2nd round rookies or Thanasis and Wilson
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Post#1367 » by Ruzious » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:14 pm

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Ruzious wrote:If Huerter turns heads, he'll have to do it while playing fewer minutes - since Atl is signing Bogdan - which makes their starting 5 much better.


I mean, you've been **** on the guy since before he was drafted, and you've been pretty off as is. It doesn't help when you continue to throw out the lazy "he's awfully slow."

You're at of line there. I posted FOR him... long before anyone even considered him draftable. Then everyone caught on and started overrating him. I've posted about him being overrated probably no more than 5 times - all in response to people like you criticizing the Bucks for saying they should have picked him over DDV. And I haven't been wrong at all about him. And he is f'n slow for an NBA athlete. Anyone who's seen him play can see that. By saying that's lazy, you better not be implying there's something racial about it. Otherwise, why do you call my comment lazy? And tell me how I've been off on him? What's the best you can say about his performance other than he hasn't been bad for his age. And do your really believe Atl hasn't significantly improved their starting lineup by getting Bogdan to replace him?
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Post#1368 » by ABucksFan » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:15 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
skones wrote:
Prez wrote:Haha. Huerter was my guy that draft and tbh I actually didn't like Donte very much at all. I just think now that we've seen them both in the NBA, Donte has defensive talent & feel that Huerter will simply never touch, while there's a decent chance Donte becomes a 15 ppg on 37% 3PT kinda guy offensively. Just think as a two-way guy there's a more realistic path to Donte contributing more for a title team than Huerter.


Kevin Huerter is going to turn heads this year. Kid was 12/4/4 on 38% from three as a 21 year old. I think he's on the cusp of entering elite NBA floor spacer territory, which I don't think Donte ever touches. I love Donte, but I'd deal Donte for Huerter without thinking twice. I said it during that draft, and I'll say it again, Huerter has far more wiggle and floor game than people think. I think Huerter has legitimate fringe all-star upside, I think Donte is going to have a long super role player career.


I could see Huerter making the jump above his present Tony Snell status, but he'll never approach the value of Donte.


Hold up...what? Huerter won’t approach the same value as Donte?? . Some wild takes
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Post#1369 » by mkegb » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:18 pm

vollbc74 wrote:Regular season rotation?

PG: Jrue (24)/Augustine (24)
SG: Forbes (18)/DDV (22)/Jrue (8)
SF: Middleton (30)/ Pat (18)
PF: Giannis (25)/Craig (15)/Portis (8)
C: Lopez (25)/Portis (15)/Giannis (8)

11-15:DJ/Thanasis/Mason/Merrill/Nwora


I was kinda excited with the roster by the addition of Jrue. But looking at this, it looks bad to me.

No way is Forbes our starting SG. We really only have 8 really good to solid players.

G - Jrue/DDV/DJ
F - KMidd/Giannis/Portis/Pat
C - Brook
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Post#1370 » by Ruzious » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:18 pm

skones wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
skones wrote:
Kevin Huerter is going to turn heads this year. Kid was 12/4/4 on 38% from three as a 21 year old. I think he's on the cusp of entering elite NBA floor spacer territory, which I don't think Donte ever touches. I love Donte, but I'd deal Donte for Huerter without thinking twice. I said it during that draft, and I'll say it again, Huerter has far more wiggle and floor game than people think. I think Huerter has legitimate fringe all-star upside, I think Donte is going to have a long super role player career.


I could see Huerter making the jump above his present Tony Snell status, but he'll never approach the value of Donte.


Why even waste the time and space to say such a stupid thing?

Again you're going over the line defending Huerter. :nonono:
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Post#1371 » by Ayt » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:19 pm

How many minutes will Huerter get for Atlanta this year?
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Post#1372 » by har13 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:19 pm

yannisk wrote:I don't particularly like the roster. We have upgraded Bledsoe to Holiday and we have lost massively in depth. It reminds me this bench we had with Liggins, Job, Payton the 3rd etc.

Who is our backup center? Apart from Lopez who is the big body we can put on Embiid for example
Our backcourt is Jrue and DDV both mediocre shooters, last year we had Wes who we could defend big SGs like Leonard and Butler this year we have this Forbes guy that can't defend anybody

we want Bud to play more the starters especially in the playoffs but injuries happen, people get in foul trouble or have bad games, are we going to play the 2nd round rookies or Thanasis and Wilson

We win nothing with this roster... let them speak about DJ and blablabla...
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Post#1373 » by Rstuedes24 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:20 pm

yannisk wrote:I don't particularly like the roster. We have upgraded Bledsoe to Holiday and we have lost massively in depth. It reminds me this bench we had with Liggins, Job, Payton the 3rd etc.

Who is our backup center? Apart from Lopez who is the big body we can put on Embiid for example
Our backcourt is Jrue and DDV both mediocre shooters, last year we had Wes who we could defend big SGs like Leonard and Butler this year we have this Forbes guy that can't defend anybody

we want Bud to play more the starters especially in the playoffs but injuries happen, people get in foul trouble or have bad games, are we going to play the 2nd round rookies or Thanasis and Wilson

Jrue>Bledsoe
Augustin=Hill (cheaper than Hill so one could argue better value)
Portis>Marvin/Ersan

Losing Wes sucks but Forbes is a shooter and Craig is known for high quality defense. Everyone bitched that we needed to get younger and we literally added mostly quality guys on reasonable deals.

And yes if a guy has foul trouble let’s throw the 2nd rounders out there, why the **** not? Wouldn’t hurt to give those guys time to see what they are about versus throwing out Robin and Korver types.
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Post#1374 » by skones » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:23 pm

Ruzious wrote:
skones wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
I could see Huerter making the jump above his present Tony Snell status, but he'll never approach the value of Donte.


Why even waste the time and space to say such a stupid thing?

Again you're going over the line defending Huerter. :nonono:
I'd say your hyperbole in an attempt to troll is over the line.

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Post#1375 » by Ruzious » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:24 pm

skones wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
skones wrote:
Why even waste the time and space to say such a stupid thing?

Again you're going over the line defending Huerter. :nonono:
I'd say your hyperbole in an attempt to troll is over the line.

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Post#1376 » by thonnisbeastley » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:28 pm

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Fotis St wrote:Guys hold on , hold on ... Giannis is now really hurt and he is struggling mentally to overcome the fact that the whole NBA World is laughing at our FO , on which he hoped to make a Championship team ... Giannis will overcome this struggle and battle it out , no doubt. Imagine if you were like his brother and love him so much and he says that he only cares about winning a ring ... would you advise him to stay in Mil ? I would advise him to NOT sign the Supermax and decide in summer. So here we are ... we are going to start the Championship like this and Holiday will probably have his thoughts on whether he wants to sign an extension or not.
I really don't get the optimism ... I will see the difference between Bled and Jrue in the playoffs. Giannis body is one year older, and struggled the previous year to stay healthy, Khris is a walking 40 year old good old scool basketball player, Jrue has to improve and excel at the playoffs ... I don't see the youth nor the "dogs" we wanted and the enforcers we need at the playoffs.
DDV is too short to play high level D at the playoffs, I said what I think about Pat C. We are probably at the same level , our morale is ultra low , we are one year older , same coach , almost same players .... and other contenders have improved ... I simply can't see how we are reaching the Finals, even the East Finals ...


How you're not told to shut the eff up more here is beyond me. The restraint shown by members here is amazing.


Before him there were others, like MBBOT.

Personally, I've always just assumed Fotis was MBBOT under a new account with a new IP address.
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Post#1377 » by greekbuck34 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:33 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:While the moves we've made this offseason put a lot of pressure on the front office, it also puts a lot of pressure on Giannis. Was pretty clear that they went in looking to both A) Upgrade Bledsoe's position, and B) add shooters, and they pretty much accomplished both. If we get a 3rd straight postseason where the "wall" defense neutralizes Giannis, then I can't blame the roster construction here.


A) Huge upgrade over Bledsoe. Jrue is the first all around elite guard in 7 years. That says a lot. If we had signed Brogdan it would have been two instead but anyway we move on.

B) We have to watch those "shooters" in action because everytime we think we have a few after a regular season, teams like Miami, Toronto, Boston, Denver, Dallas show us what it's trully like to have pro shooters around you star(s) on your team in the playoffs. We need guys from the bench to get hot in a playoff game, make wide open catch and shoot ones regularly. We need our shooters to run and fight around screens to get open and shoot at will even way beyond the 3p line and not just stand and watch Giannis waiting for a pass.

Other than Khris only Korver was able to do that who was near unplayable in defense at 39y old and Wes Mathews who left us for the Lakers. Pat C and Donte are trying to do that and disappear. Lets see the new guys.
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote: I think that we will do worse than last season and that Giannis is now just a mere all star. All because we switched from Bud to Griffin.
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Post#1378 » by ReddoverKobe » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:34 pm

yannisk wrote:I don't particularly like the roster. We have upgraded Bledsoe to Holiday and we have lost massively in depth. It reminds me this bench we had with Liggins, Job, Payton the 3rd etc.

Who is our backup center? Apart from Lopez who is the big body we can put on Embiid for example
Our backcourt is Jrue and DDV both mediocre shooters, last year we had Wes who we could defend big SGs like Leonard and Butler this year we have this Forbes guy that can't defend anybody

we want Bud to play more the starters especially in the playoffs but injuries happen, people get in foul trouble or have bad games, are we going to play the 2nd round rookies or Thanasis and Wilson


The bucks bench was highly overrated. What did they really do when it mattered?
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Post#1379 » by Wonka » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:34 pm

I’m good with Dedmon or Diallo or Gibson as our big man off the bench
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Post#1380 » by mkegb » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:37 pm

Brogdon was and is not “elite”. He is a solid guard and people on this board act like we lost Klay Thompson when we didn’t resign him.

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