Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Darvin Returns

[RiotPunch]

Bucks in - Ayo Dosumno and Cole Anthony

Magic in - Brook Lopez

Bulls in - Jon Isaac, future Orl 1st

He doesn’t really fit our main needs, but I am admittedly kinda intrigued by Cole Anthony. Feel like Orlando is giving up too much here though.


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Keep Isaac out of it and Chicago still takes this, IMO. Would hope for better assets out of Brook, but this would solidify our backcourt if you think Ayo can start next to Dame. He's a pretty tenacious defender boasting a 6'10" wingspan, and he shot much better from range last year, with some shot creation ability to boot. Anthony is polarizing, but he can get buckets off the bench.

[fansinceforever]

Name me a single champion in the last 20 or so years that basically had just one perimeter shot-creator though. Because all these trades where you're dealing Khris for a couple "athletic 3&D guys" leaves us with just that. Like, no, I don't believe that putting a bunch of Bruce Browns and Matisse Thybulles around Dame/Giannis means the offense will still be "fine". Our only young guys (Green, AJJ, Marjon) don't have that kind of potential so who are you then going out and filling the offense/play-making/shooting void that trading Khris leaves?

The '21 Milwaukee Bucks.

This is where the Jrue slander officially goes overboard.

Love Jrue and his many other talents helped up win a championship but when you're a .480 TS as a "shot creator" are we only crediting his ability to perform a move and get a shot up?

[Plossum]

Bucks in - Ayo Dosumno and Cole Anthony

Magic in - Brook Lopez

Bulls in - Jon Isaac, future Orl 1st

He doesn’t really fit our main needs, but I am admittedly kinda intrigued by Cole Anthony. Feel like Orlando is giving up too much here though.


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You're really banking on Ayo becoming a decent player in this trade. Anthony is as back-up PG. He's fine but not much of a dial mover (if at all). Ayo is the guy you need to become something to make this trade worth it. I get Brook is ageing but he's still pretty robust and effective as an NBA starter.

[fansinceforever]

Name me a single champion in the last 20 or so years that basically had just one perimeter shot-creator though. Because all these trades where you're dealing Khris for a couple "athletic 3&D guys" leaves us with just that. Like, no, I don't believe that putting a bunch of Bruce Browns and Matisse Thybulles around Dame/Giannis means the offense will still be "fine". Our only young guys (Green, AJJ, Marjon) don't have that kind of potential so who are you then going out and filling the offense/play-making/shooting void that trading Khris leaves?

The '21 Milwaukee Bucks.

This is where the Jrue slander officially goes overboard.

Also very odd that you remove and don't answer my question asking when there's been a champion in the same time frame with a middling defense which is the primary reason for trading Midds.

[theFireBlanket]

nevermind* forgot this was about shot creation in the moment.

[fansinceforever]

You can also toss in Denver and Los Angeles as two additional teams to win a championship with essentially one perimeter shot creator... Unless we're counting KCP now.

There's literally multiple examples.

[machu46]

Bucks in - Ayo Dosumno and Cole Anthony

Magic in - Brook Lopez

Bulls in - Jon Isaac, future Orl 1st

He doesn’t really fit our main needs, but I am admittedly kinda intrigued by Cole Anthony. Feel like Orlando is giving up too much here though.


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You're really banking on Ayo becoming a decent player in this trade. Anthony is as back-up PG. He's fine but not much of a dial mover (if at all). Ayo is the guy you need to become something to make this trade worth it. I get Brook is ageing but he's still pretty robust and effective as an NBA starter.

Ayo is definitely the main piece. I think Anthony is a fun potential gunner off the bench and I’ve always had a bit of a soft spot for guys like him that rebound the hell out of the ball despite relatively small stature. He’s been over 6 rebounds per 36 every season of his career; just such a weird thing for a 6’2” guard. He’s also a better finisher than you’d generally expect from a 6’2” guy. He’s just unfortunately never hit jumpers at the rate that he expects himself to hit lol.


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[Ron Swanson]

You can also toss in Denver and Los Angeles as two additional teams to win a championship with essentially one perimeter shot creator... Unless we're counting KCP now.

There's literally multiple examples.

Denver with Jokic, Murray, and MPJ? Like….what?

[RiotPunch]

#1
MKE: Stewart, Dosunmu
NOP: Lopez
DET: McCollum
CHI: #21

#2
MKE: Johnson, Eason
HOU: Bridges, Portis
BKN: Brooks, Landale, Connaughton, Beauchamp, #3, #23, BKN 1sts returned

33 - Kevin McCullar

Lillard / Bev
Dosunmu / Jackson / Green
Middleton / McCullar
Eason / Johnson
Giannis / Stewart

[fansinceforever]

You can also toss in Denver and Los Angeles as two additional teams to win a championship with essentially one perimeter shot creator... Unless we're counting KCP now.

There's literally multiple examples.

Denver with Jokic, Murray, and MPJ? Like….what?

I know Jokic is a cheat code but I still don't think I'd classify him as a "perimeter shot creator". If you're editing your comment to mean "shot creators" then sure but then we'll have to include Giannis for us .

Aren't the vast majority of MPJ's points assisted and attacking close outs? I wouldn't classify him as a shot creator.

[Ron Swanson]

Yes, I literally said “perimeter shot creators”. Giannis ain’t that.

[machu46]

Yes, I literally said “perimeter shot creators”. Giannis ain’t that.

Giannis creates most of his shots/assists from the perimeter. If we’re simply talking about 3 point shooting obviously not. I’d say Giannis is more of a perimeter shot creator than Jokic and Porter.


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[fansinceforever]

Lol way to duck the other team I brought up.

The ultimate point is that the Bucks will be more than fine with Dame and Giannis as their primary ball handlers. The Bucks also won't trade Middleton for nobody so I imagine those theoretical players would help too.

[ShootingtheJ]

I don't see the Bulls trading Ayo now that they traded Caruso. They've made 1 trade in 3 years, I don't see them emptying their SG depth chart.

[RiotPunch]

I don't see the Bulls trading Ayo now that they traded Caruso. They've made 1 trade in 3 years, I don't see them emptying their SG depth chart.

Likely true. Probably depends on if Carter lasts until 11, who Chicago is rumored to like. Also heard on a Bulls pod speculating whether or not they might attach Ayo to LaVine as incentive in a trade, which maybe we could get in on.

But yeah, you could conceivably run out Giddey/Ayo/Coby/Williams/Vuc.

[SupremeHustle]

#1
MKE: Stewart, Dosunmu
NOP: Lopez
DET: McCollum
CHI: #21

#2
MKE: Johnson, Eason
HOU: Bridges, Portis
BKN: Brooks, Landale, Connaughton, Beauchamp, #3, #23, BKN 1sts returned

33 - Kevin McCullar

Lillard / Bev
Dosunmu / Jackson / Green
Middleton / McCullar
Eason / Johnson
Giannis / Stewart

I like this a ton. I'd start Giannis and Beef Stew together, though. I think Cam can even guard some 3s.

That's a great trade for MKE.

[drone3]

#1
MKE: Stewart, Dosunmu
NOP: Lopez
DET: McCollum
CHI: #21

#2
MKE: Johnson, Eason
HOU: Bridges, Portis
BKN: Brooks, Landale, Connaughton, Beauchamp, #3, #23, BKN 1sts returned

33 - Kevin McCullar

Lillard / Bev
Dosunmu / Jackson / Green
Middleton / McCullar
Eason / Johnson
Giannis / Stewart

This would be unreal

[ShootingtheJ]

#1
MKE: Stewart, Dosunmu
NOP: Lopez
DET: McCollum
CHI: #21

#2
MKE: Johnson, Eason
HOU: Bridges, Portis
BKN: Brooks, Landale, Connaughton, Beauchamp, #3, #23, BKN 1sts returned

33 - Kevin McCullar

Lillard / Bev
Dosunmu / Jackson / Green
Middleton / McCullar
Eason / Johnson
Giannis / Stewart

I like this a ton. I'd start Giannis and Beef Stew together, though. I think Cam can even guard some 3s.

That's a great trade for MKE.

If we got that return for Brook, I'd be ecstatic. I'd take either player, getting both seems like a lot.

[bdpecore]

With the news about Stewart I think a tweak to my last trade makes sense

MKE: Wiggins, Williams, Stewart
OKC: Brook, #33
DET: Pat, #12 (or another frp from OKC)

We get our C for the future, a backup 3/4 play his butt off guy, and a SG to compete for minutes/starting spot. Add another pg/retain Patbev, make pick 23, and call it an offseason
Det gets a solid pick and championship vet they can use a good locker room guy/possible trade chip
OKC gets their win now C, solve their Isiah Joe/Wiggins issue, Williams was getting berried on the bench last season so they can feel fine giving him up, and a high 2nd rounder they can use in another trade

I like this idea but would prefer sending Wiggins to Detroit and receiving Grimes if Detroit is open to the idea. Maybe we send OKC #23 instead of #33 and they send a future 2nd to Detroit.

PG - Dame, Bev
SG - Grimes, AJJ, Green
SF - Midds, Williams
PF - Giannis, Portis
C - Stewart, FA

[Ron Swanson]

Yes, I literally said “perimeter shot creators”. Giannis ain’t that.

Giannis creates most of his shots/assists from the perimeter. If we’re simply talking about 3 point shooting obviously not. I’d say Giannis is more of a perimeter shot creator than Jokic and Porter.


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Giannis creates 90% of his offense at or within 10-feet of the rim. You guys seem to have a weird, contradictory definition of perimeter shot creation. The point still remains. I certainly hope we'll never have to see this team with only one guy (Dame) that can actually handle, pass, and shoot off the dribble. Because other than Middleton, that guy doesn't exist on the roster right now.