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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1361 » by drew881 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:31 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Have we entertained the notion that this "era of parity" is simply the result of no one valuing continuity/patience anymore?


No because its actually the new cap rules almost exclusively and the knee jerk stuff like this is more of a symptom


Also injuries
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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1362 » by Bucknado » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:32 pm

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Re: ATL - The Finals 

Post#1363 » by Bernman » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:34 pm

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Bernman wrote:I think it's hasty. Reminds me of the Buden firing, or worse cuz Mike had more yrs w/ his group.

5 years for each


I said group. Bud had Giannis & Middleton for all 5 yrs. Thibs has had Brunson for 3 & Towns for 1. And Brunson became BRUNSON under Thibs.
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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1364 » by JonHeist » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:36 pm

damn, didn't see that (thibs) coming
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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1365 » by German Athens » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:37 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Have we entertained the notion that this "era of parity" is simply the result of no one valuing continuity/patience anymore?


But wouldn’t we define an “era without parity” as one where a team found immediate returns and won multiple titles?

Maybe you’d question the immediate returns, but Bud and Thibs having 5-year stints isn’t atypical. Phil Jackson won his first title in his 2nd year, and then followed that up with two more by the time his first 5 years were done. He then immediately won titles when he got to LA. Spo won multiple titles in his first 5 years in Miami. Kerr, Riley. Same story.

Auerbach would be an exception, but now we’re talking 70 years ago.

I don’t really think there’s been any team sitting out there who would have three-peated had they just kept the band together.

I’d say this current era is much more defined by no team having two top-5 players that has so often defined the leagues history.
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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1366 » by chonestown » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:42 pm

When the former Knicks coach would make a glaring tactical error that is when I would slap my head and explain "Thiba'doh!" feel free to use no big deal
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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1367 » by DingleJerry » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:47 pm

drew881 wrote:
soxperry wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Have we entertained the notion that this "era of parity" is simply the result of no one valuing continuity/patience anymore?


No because its actually the new cap rules almost exclusively and the knee jerk stuff like this is more of a symptom


Also injuries


Primarily cap, yes. Then sprinkle in injuries increase, 3 pt shooting barrage/variance, and the overall increase of talent/shooting throughout the league.
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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1368 » by raferfenix » Tue Jun 3, 2025 7:57 pm

Nov. 2024:

"I know the Knicks coach and I know that he’s going to get it all together," Rivers, a member of the Knicks' 1994 NBA Finals run, said, per Ian Begley of SNY. "I’m sure of that. Tom’s a phenomenal coach."


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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1369 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Jun 3, 2025 8:01 pm

I'd argue "injuries" are just an extension of that panic/lack of patience and not valuing continuity/winning culture though. We fired Bud the second we lost a 1st round playoff series under him, even after winning 58-games. Well, maybe some clarity was needed when you had to factor in the Giannis injury. As is, every single coach (Nurse, Vogel, Bud, Malone) sans Kerr (who let's be honest, has the best job security in the league) that've won a championship in the last 6-years is gone.

It's just weird that we're never gonna see another Jerry Sloan in this league. I think we've gone too far the other way in devaluing what a good coach and chemistry can provide your franchise when you don't have a stacked roster of talent. There's a guy in the Finals right now (Carlisle) who's the living embodiment of this. Won a championship in 2011, then proceeded to go a decade without winning a playoff series. He didn't just stop being a good coach for those 10-years.
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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1370 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Jun 3, 2025 8:01 pm

The shiny new object for the media is the Knicks coaching job instead of Giannis for awhile.
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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1371 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Jun 3, 2025 8:02 pm

A simple, but true, statement is coaches get too much credit and too much blame.
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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1372 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Jun 3, 2025 8:06 pm

Read on Twitter


Let this man coach the Knicks.
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Re: ATL - The Finals 

Post#1373 » by machu46 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 8:29 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Glad they are going back to the pinstripe look. They should have left the black uniform all black though. The top half looks weird.

Read on Twitter


New logo set is kinda generic.

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The black jersey would look much better if they followed your suggestion but I kinda dig that they just took the old warmup jacket and made it a jersey lol.

Logo indeed is weird. Image

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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1374 » by German Athens » Tue Jun 3, 2025 9:15 pm

I’d say Spo is probably the modern Sloan. Jerry was head coach in Utah for 23 seasons, and Spo just finished his 17th in Miami.

Spo got the titles that Sloan never acquired, but those also happened right at the beginning of his tenure when he coached the most talented team in the league. He hasn’t won a title in 12 years, but everyone still knows he’s a great coach, and he’s still firmly planted within the Heat organization.
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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1375 » by drew881 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 9:25 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
Read on Twitter


Let this man coach the Knicks.


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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1376 » by emunney » Tue Jun 3, 2025 9:26 pm

I had a feeling Thibs was going to go even though it's objectively strange to fire a coach who's team improved on the previous year's result and made the conf finals as a 3 seed. This is just the limit of how long people seem to be able to stand Thibs.
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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1377 » by emunney » Tue Jun 3, 2025 9:28 pm

The guy won playoff series 3 years in a row for a team who'd won 1 in the 20+ years before he got there.
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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1378 » by Licensed to Il » Tue Jun 3, 2025 9:37 pm

emunney wrote:I had a feeling Thibs was going to go even though it's objectively strange to fire a coach who's team improved on the previous year's result and made the conf finals as a 3 seed. This is just the limit of how long people seem to be able to stand Thibs.


People are overlooking how grating the guy is… and Im a huge fan. He lasts 3-4 years and eventually the whole building threatens to quit. I heard a story once about how as coach of the Bulls, he was invited to throw out the first pitch at a sox game. He is such a try hard, that he made a few staffers come to a local diamond after practice and catch pitches, after a day of work. After going through the barrel of balls 3-4 times, they were all begging to go home, and he insisted on a few more times through. For a ceremonial pitch. I seriously think the guy is on the spectrum. He gets great results, but absolutely has a 3 year shelf life before everyone goes toxic. And the pitch thing is kind of endearing. Imagine that he also has a binder of how he wants every possible pick and roll combination (league wide) defended. The dude is just a lot.
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Re: ATL - The Finals 

Post#1379 » by KendallMarshall » Tue Jun 3, 2025 9:41 pm

machu46 wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:Glad they are going back to the pinstripe look. They should have left the black uniform all black though. The top half looks weird.

Read on Twitter


New logo set is kinda generic.

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The black jersey would look much better if they followed your suggestion but I kinda dig that they just took the old warmup jacket and made it a jersey lol.

Logo indeed is weird. Image

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Re: ATL - Thibs Out 

Post#1380 » by blazza18 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 9:46 pm

Orlando should’ve gone with the full black jersey.

Knicks probably shouldn’t have fired Thibs but I get it. People had a lot of complaints over their offence and he overplayed his guys like usual.
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