Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

mcfromage · Post #1361 » by **mcfromage** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 9:57 am

Rollins #1 priority.

Rstuedes24 · Post #1362 » by **Rstuedes24** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 11:11 am

Why the holdup on announcing something for Rollins? It would be a massive screwup if we let him walk

ShootingtheJ · Post #1363 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 11:53 am

Rstuedes24 wrote:Why the holdup on announcing something for Rollins? It would be a massive screwup if we let him walk

I think the holdup is related to the buyout for Micic.

ShootingtheJ · Post #1364 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 12:03 pm

JEIS wrote:Kuzma for Smart and a first round pick?.. Send him back to the Wizards... I guess they were trying to give up him and a first for Lonzo Ball.

I don't hate Kuzma as much as most on the board, Smart is somehow only 31, so he might not be complete trash, plus he is on the last year of his contract.. Could give us some money to re-up Kpj Trent and Green next year.

Memphis was offering that because they wanted out of the Smart contract. The Wizards won't be giving up picks.

soxperry · Post #1365 » by **soxperry** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 12:47 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Rstuedes24 wrote:Why the holdup on announcing something for Rollins? It would be a massive screwup if we let him walk

I think the holdup is related to the buyout for Micic.

Idk, i think that reported 7 team trade is gridlocking things

ShootingtheJ · Post #1366 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 12:50 pm

CJTURT wrote:
pifhluk23 wrote:
gbmb34 wrote:He's far from ideal but Kuzma and AJax for DeRozan and Keon Ellis is probably the best, realistic deal that can be made without an outgoing first.

Can even deal DeMar at the deadline with the 1st if it clearly isn't working.

Then sign CP3 or Brogdon to start at PG with KPJ basically in a time share.

CP3 & DeRozan...

Yeah, that’s crazy right? A pass first point guard Setting up his scoring teammates…. What a coincidence

Paul is pass last, not pass first. He pounds the air out of the ball before moving it. The ball should be swung 3 times before Paul finally makes his 1st pass. His play style is outdated. Don't take the ball or off the hands of Giannis.

GoldenAntlers · Post #1367 » by **GoldenAntlers** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:02 pm

soxperry wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Rstuedes24 wrote:Why the holdup on announcing something for Rollins? It would be a massive screwup if we let him walk

I think the holdup is related to the buyout for Micic.

Idk, i think that reported 7 team trade is gridlocking things

This is probably the answer. A 7-team trade could shake things up dramatically. And not just in the initial trade, but subsequent trades/waives, etc. as well.

I wonder if it will actually happen.

pifhluk23 · Post #1368 » by **pifhluk23** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:06 pm

CJTURT wrote:
pifhluk23 wrote:
gbmb34 wrote:He's far from ideal but Kuzma and AJax for DeRozan and Keon Ellis is probably the best, realistic deal that can be made without an outgoing first.

Can even deal DeMar at the deadline with the 1st if it clearly isn't working.

Then sign CP3 or Brogdon to start at PG with KPJ basically in a time share.

CP3 & DeRozan...

Yeah, that’s crazy right? A pass first point guard Setting up his scoring teammates…. What a coincidence

Those 2 are probably the worst defensive backcourt in league history. CP3 is the exact opposite of centering the offense around Giannis which had great numbers the last ~30 games of the season and you know we won a title doing it that way...

JayMKE · Post #1369 » by **JayMKE** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:07 pm

Paul pounding the ball to set up others isn’t quite the same as pounding the ball going for “Dame time”, Giannis really hasn’t played with a real point guard almost his entire career and I think the team would benefit from his mentorship and obviously it would be really short term. Main thing is this team can’t become dumber, raising the IQ is imperative

Baddy Chuck · Post #1370 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:12 pm

Chris Paul averaged less dribbles per touch last season than Ryan Rollins.

Frank Nova · Post #1371 » by **Frank Nova** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:20 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:Chris Paul averaged less dribbles per touch last season than Ryan Rollins.

That’s pretty wild you can find stats for that but I believe it. The notion Paul is this Rondo air pounder isn’t something that I agree with. I don’t like Chris Paul and never have been a fan honestly but mucking up an offense and over dribbling is not something I’ve ever known Chris Paul for. Maybe in his younger playmaker days he would dominate possessions but in his older years that seems out of pocket to say about him.

ShootingtheJ · Post #1372 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:25 pm

gbmb34 wrote:He's far from ideal but Kuzma and AJax for DeRozan and Keon Ellis is probably the best, realistic deal that can be made without an outgoing first.

Can even deal DeMar at the deadline with the 1st if it clearly isn't working.

.

I think your deal is very realistic, now let's just add to it so we're not the team stuck with DDR. I love the Ellis part.

Kings in: Kuzma, Ajax
Lakers in: DDR
Bucks in: Hachimura, Ellis, Vanderbilt

Lakers have long been interested in DDR, and is think they'd want to get out of that 3 year Vanderbilt contract. Hachimura is a playoff riser who fits well opposite of Giannis.

pilprin · Post #1373 » by **pilprin** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:30 pm

I personally don’t see Paul or Westbrook as an answer at PG. Rollins fits better…spend $ elsewhere. If Giannis is going to play more point…needs may be less…feels like one more significant add will still happen…and likely not an over the hill type

ShootingtheJ · Post #1374 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:30 pm

GoldenAntlers wrote:
soxperry wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
I think the holdup is related to the buyout for Micic.

Idk, i think that reported 7 team trade is gridlocking things
This is probably the answer. A 7-team trade could shake things up dramatically. And not just in the initial trade, but subsequent trades/waives, etc. as well.

I wonder if it will actually happen.

It's all deals that have already been agreed upon.

Our issue is we don't know exactly what our cap sheet looks like until a Micic buyout is negotiated.

LUKE23 · Post #1375 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:35 pm

Forgot Melton was out there. He tore his ACL in November, have to figure he would be ready to go relatively early in the year. He would be a good pickup if that was the case, he’s easily better than Harris and he can handle both guard spots.

pilprin · Post #1376 » by **pilprin** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:37 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
GoldenAntlers wrote:
soxperry wrote:
Idk, i think that reported 7 team trade is gridlocking things
This is probably the answer. A 7-team trade could shake things up dramatically. And not just in the initial trade, but subsequent trades/waives, etc. as well.

I wonder if it will actually happen.

It's all deals that have already been agreed upon.

Our issue is we don't know exactly what our cap sheet looks like until a Micic buyout is negotiated.

I thought the buyout was already negotiated when they traded for him.

MVP2110 · Post #1377 » by **MVP2110** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:45 pm

I don't mind the idea of bringing in Paul. But no chance I'm choosing 40 year old Chris Paul over 23 year old Ryan Rollins. If you can get both that's a good thing, but if I have to choose give me Rollins over anyone else on the PG market. He's the one who still has the capability to get better and improve upon just being a rotation player

soxperry · Post #1378 » by **soxperry** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:50 pm

pilprin wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
GoldenAntlers wrote:This is probably the answer. A 7-team trade could shake things up dramatically. And not just in the initial trade, but subsequent trades/waives, etc. as well.

I wonder if it will actually happen.

It's all deals that have already been agreed upon.

Our issue is we don't know exactly what our cap sheet looks like until a Micic buyout is negotiated.

I thought the buyout was already negotiated when they traded for him.

I think thats correct or the Turner signing wouldn't have been possible.

JayMKE · Post #1379 » by **JayMKE** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 2:08 pm

I think Rollins can be a solid player, he’s a player I was planning on having back but I’m not really sure how I would feel depending on him. It would be really cool for him and other players to be mentored by a guy like CP3, I don’t see why it’s either or.

The gap year concept is over so it’s about maximizing the championship odds next season more than development. Paul can be grating but I think we’d all love his bulldog mentality pretty quickly, having a smart coach like player such as him might lessen the negative impact Doc might have too. I think he could play a PJ-like role and would beneficial to have around young players, you know he’s still hungry too. I think the upside is way higher than the downside, yeah he’s not the player he once was but that guy wouldn’t be available for vet min.

How many roster spots are there? I assume Thanasis is going to take the final spot, can’t argue with the vibes and keeping Giannis happy.

Bernman · Post #1380 » by **Bernman** » Sat Jul 5, 2025 2:23 pm

I'm worried we've jerked around Rollins too much. First we delayed on converting to a guaranteed full minimum, while he was held out of games. In response he didn't sign the 2-yr minimum like Green. Then we pull the QO/rescind RFA rights. Now he's on the open market & will choose us?

I think if he's being practical he should choose us because we offer a good opportunity & invested in his development we want to get something out of. Also, we have Early Bird Rights, so we could match any realistic offer. Just a matter if we would, or value vets like CP3 more.