Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[LongLiveHinkie]

Sixers fan here.

Interesting the topic starts with "Assuming Embiid goes #1." You guys really want him, eh? Can't blame you. He looks like he's going to be the next dominant big man and they don't grow on trees.

The Sixers board was all Wiggins at 3 a couple weeks ago, but now it is rather split. Not sure what happened, but you can find a good chunk of people that each want a different guy of the "Big 3"

[AussieBuck]

whoever gets randle is going to get a steal. i'd be shocked if he wasn't a zach randolph clone.

plug him in at PF and you've got a double double machine for 10 years.

can't believe someone like LA is going to get him at 7. or if charlotte got him at 9 and pair him with jefferson?

call me crazy, but give me randle over someone like vonleh any day.

Let's just say that Randle is Zbo, how is it a good idea to play him with Jefferson?

[Baddy Chuck]

Let's just say that Randle is Zbo, how is it a good idea to play him with Jefferson?

But, but, 40 and 20!

[Zeezprah]

whoever gets randle is going to get a steal. i'd be shocked if he wasn't a zach randolph clone.

plug him in at PF and you've got a double double machine for 10 years.

can't believe someone like LA is going to get him at 7. or if charlotte got him at 9 and pair him with jefferson?

call me crazy, but give me randle over someone like vonleh any day.

Let's just say that Randle is Zbo, how is it a good idea to play him with Jefferson?

because you take best talent available? no reason randle can't develop that jumper.

blake griffin and deandre jordan coexisted.

i don't see the big issue here. inb4 omg no spacing.

[Zeezprah]

call me crazy, but give me randle over someone like vonleh any day.

You're crazy

hehe ty men

[Baddy Chuck]

inb4 omg no spacing.

Or passing. Or defense.

I do agree that you take the BPA and figure out the rest though.

[Frank Nova]

whoever gets randle is going to get a steal. i'd be shocked if he wasn't a zach randolph clone.

plug him in at PF and you've got a double double machine for 10 years.

can't believe someone like LA is going to get him at 7. or if charlotte got him at 9 and pair him with jefferson?

call me crazy, but give me randle over someone like vonleh any day.

Let's just say that Randle is Zbo, how is it a good idea to play him with Jefferson?

Randle and Jefferson would be a flashback to a more traditional front court before SVG basically pioneered the stretch 4 position. As long as u have 1 big that can work in the high post, the range doesn't have to reach out to the perimeter for a PF/C combination to work.

Defensively u may have a problem but that's more attributed to lack of effort on Big Al's part IMO. He's a massive frame with a monster wingspan, he should be much more dominated on the defensive end. Plus Randle is young and still growing. Not a pipe dream to think he can't add more strength and fill out enough to bang with smaller centers and most PFs.

[Zeezprah]

inb4 omg no spacing.

Or passing. Or defense.

I do agree that you take the BPA and figure out the rest though.

i mean i agree it's not perfect. that's why i'm not a huge fan of centers who can't play D. takes away a lot of flexibility at the 4.

[Wise1]

Randle is going to be very, very good in the NBA. He doesn't even have his man strength yet. He definitely inspires more confidence in me than a guy like Vonleh who appears to be a plodder from the couple of games I've seen him play. Vonleh looks like Udoh to me...with a little more range. I'm scared of him.

[machu46]

It's great to have a stretch 4, but if you have someone like Blake Griffin at the 4, it works pretty much the same way because defenses have to play up tight on him so that he can't build up a full head of steam. Randle seems to be quick enough that he could potentially work that same way, though he's nowhere near the vertical athlete that Blake is, nor is he remotely close in terms of passing or finishing ability.

[machu46]

Vasilije Micic started off slow, but got going as the day went on. Getting a little too fancy in the first game, he racked up 5 turnovers trying to do too much, which has been an issue for him at times this season for Mega Vizura where he's averaging 3.6 turnovers per-game to go along with 5.8 assists. Knocking down a pull-up jumper and throwing a number of impressive passes later in the day, including a perfect lob and a one-handed full-court bomb to a streaking teammate, Micic flashed the talent that makes him a potential first round pick. We'll likely revisit his play later in the week.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz340DWz8zz
http://www.draftexpress.com

Sounds like we're going to be getting a scouting report video for Micic soon.

[AussieBuck]

whoever gets randle is going to get a steal. i'd be shocked if he wasn't a zach randolph clone.

plug him in at PF and you've got a double double machine for 10 years.

can't believe someone like LA is going to get him at 7. or if charlotte got him at 9 and pair him with jefferson?

call me crazy, but give me randle over someone like vonleh any day.

Let's just say that Randle is Zbo, how is it a good idea to play him with Jefferson?

because you take best talent available? no reason randle can't develop that jumper.

blake griffin and deandre jordan coexisted.

i don't see the big issue here. inb4 omg no spacing.

Blake Griffin is a top 5 player with some of the best passing in a PF I've ever seen, Jordan plays D and they have one of the best PGs of all time. Isiah's Knicks is a much closer comparison to your no spacing, no D, no passing tandem.

[Zeezprah]

Randle is going to be very, very good in the NBA. He doesn't even have his man strength yet. He definitely inspires more confidence in me than a guy like Vonleh who appears to be a plodder from the couple of games I've seen him play. Vonleh looks like Udoh to me...with a little more range. I'm scared of him.

i don't see it at all either. nothing wow'd be anytime i saw him in college. add to the fact his shot is kind of broke atm? no thanks.

another guy who shot up the boards due to size.

maybe i'll be wrong on him, but i'm certainly glad we're not gonna be the ones picking him.

[sidney lanier]

I know, right? These anti-Wiggins guys are so hostile toward anyone who doesn't share their misguided opinion.

It's the ridiculous double standard of his argument. The whole argument that we shouldn't care who we want, but who we think the Bucks will draft ends with him saying he thinks everyone's an idiot if we think we'd take Wiggins over Parker but then he says something like we'd take Smart over Wiggins, which maybe 2 people in the world believe and there isn't a shred of evidence to back it up. If anyone believes we'd take Smart over Wiggins they are just projecting their love of a player to irrational proportions. Even you have Randle above most of these guys but I'd be willing to say you wouldn't put any stock in them actually taking him over the other guys (namely the perceived top 3).

That's true. Randle isn't going 1, 2 or 3, and probably not 4 or 5, either. But I think you'll agree that we're all a little over the top in finding ways to support our choices—so much so that it's going to be a little difficult to close ranks behind whoever the choice turns out to be.

[TroyD92]

I don't think it'll be that hard to come around on the pick. Everybody has their preferences right now, but as long as it's Wiggins/Parker/Embiid we will get a guy who gives us a ton to be excited about.

[machu46]

Randle is going to be very, very good in the NBA. He doesn't even have his man strength yet. He definitely inspires more confidence in me than a guy like Vonleh who appears to be a plodder from the couple of games I've seen him play. Vonleh looks like Udoh to me...with a little more range. I'm scared of him.

i don't see it at all either. nothing wow'd be anytime i saw him in college. add to the fact his shot is kind of broke atm? no thanks.

another guy who shot up the boards due to size.

maybe i'll be wrong on him, but i'm certainly glad we're not gonna be the ones picking him.

He didn't get the touches that he should have had, but with the touches he did get, he was flat out better than Randle. Better touch inside, actually had touch outside, just as good a rebounder, and a far better defender.

And unless you're talking about Randle, I'm not sure how you can say his shot is broken. Vonleh's shooting is one of the main reasons that he's been in the conversation with Randle all year. You could argue that his sample size was too small, since he only attempted one 3 per game, but the guy shot 48.5% from outside and again, he was also a better scorer than Randle inside.

[Ill-yasova]

That's true. Randle isn't going 1, 2 or 3, and probably not 4 or 5, either. But I think you'll agree that we're all a little over the top in finding ways to support our choices—so much so that it's going to be a little difficult to close ranks behind whoever the choice turns out to be.

I don't think that will be the case at all actually. In my experience on this board there are always a couple of holdouts (realists?) but for the most part people come around in the next couple days after the draft.

[Bernman]

I don't think that will be the case at all actually. In my experience on this board there are always a couple of holdouts (realists?) but for the most part people come around in the next couple days after the draft.

I've sort of done both.

I was an avid hater of Yi, Alexander, and Jennings leading up to those drafts.

I stayed steadfast with my stance on Yi and Jennings after those drafts, to the annoyance of many here, especially after Jennings' 55 pt game, but I turned out to have cause for my resistance in the long run.

However, after the Alexander pick I kind of rationalized how his work ethic would get him to at least maximize his ability, allowing him to become a useful player. When before the draft I stated I saw him several times in college but it never occurred to me from them that he was even an NBA prospect. And it was shocking/silly he was rising up draft boards anywhere near where he ultimately went to us. I remember DB argued he thought Mike Wilkinson was even better, and I cracked up at that because I thought it may well be true. But then I rationalized that he wouldn't be another total bust for the Bucks out of fanaticism and also bent to the pressures of being negative here, even if you are indeed just being a realist.

At the end of the day, you just have to trust your unbiased evaluation. It shouldn't change your opinion at all about how good a player is just because your team drafted him. But I think the norm is to do just that. Some stick to their guns. I will this time, again. If we draft Embiid or Parker, I'll be thrilled. Exum, I'll be cautiously optimistic, as long as we've backed the pick up with another I'm more comfortable with at least. If we draft Wiggins, I'll just think we blew the most important pick in franchise history. Nobody should take that personal or get emotional about that belief, but of course many will out of fanaticism and pride. I have some of my own.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Still like the Szczerbiak comparisons for McBuckets.

*That is if everything works out for him, think his floor is like a white Jared Dudley, that being because you can't compare him to non Caucasian players..

The Wally comp is good. Doug is just so skilled at moving off the ball to set himself up and he's got his nifty mid post game and J to take advantage of. Its hard to imagine him not being a double digits-mid/low teens scorer. Not terribly concerned about his defense either, he knows where to be and is fundamentally sound, he's not gonna lock anyone up but there are worse defenders in the league right now.

Weezy, it's also disingenuous to talk down mcdermotts play because "seniors are supposed to dominate". Fact is Doug dominated his soph and junior year as well and had a frosh year that was pretty damn impressive in its own right. It's not like Doug just started succeeding on the court because he was a mature senior whooping up on underclassmen.

34 steals and 14 blocks in 4 years goes a long way in suggesting that he doesn't know where to be on D. I think it's pretty clear that his defensive anticipation is otherworldly awful.

[Frank Nova]

I don't think that will be the case at all actually. In my experience on this board there are always a couple of holdouts (realists?) but for the most part people come around in the next couple days after the draft.

I've sort of done both.

I was an avid hater of Yi, Alexander, and Jennings leading up to those drafts.

I stayed steadfast with my stance on Yi and Jennings after those drafts, to the annoyance of many here, especially after Jennings' 55 pt game, but I turned out to have cause for my resistance in the long run.

However, after the Alexander pick I kind of rationalized how his work ethic would get him to at least maximize his ability, allowing him to become a useful player. When before the draft I stated I saw him several times in college but it never occurred to me from them that he was even an NBA prospect. And it was shocking/silly he was rising up draft boards anywhere near where he ultimately went to us. I remember DB argued he thought Mike Wilkinson was even better, and I cracked up at that because I thought it may well be true. But then I rationalized that he wouldn't be another total bust for the Bucks out of fanaticism and also bent to the pressures of being negative here, even if you are indeed just being a realist.

At the end of the day, you just have to trust your unbiased evaluation. It shouldn't change your opinion at all about how good a player is just because your team drafted him. But I think the norm is to do just that. Some stick to their guns. I will this time, again. If we draft Embiid or Parker, I'll be thrilled. Exum, I'll be cautiously optimistic, as long as we've backed the pick up with another I'm more comfortable with at least. If we draft Wiggins, I'll just think we blew the most important pick in franchise history. Nobody should take that personal or get emotional about that belief, but of course many will out of fanaticism and pride. I have some of my own.

Does that mean u think Wiggins will be the type of busts Yi, Alexander and to an extent Jennings were/is?