Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd (as coach pg 43)?

[linguini8]

I'm surprised by the amount of people getting so worked up over sending a 2nd round pick as compensation for a guy who could become an absolute beast of a head coach in this league. A 2nd round pick is nothing and it means absolutely nothing to us in the grand scheme of things now that we have Parker and Giannis. What does mean something, and is imperative to this franchise, is to be relieved of Larry Drew. Now. Yesterday. Months ago. If it takes sending an Inglis or O'Bryant to Brooklyn for the Owner's to get their guy, no problem.

Jason Kidd is likely younger and more experienced in the ways of NBA basketball than any of the upcoming assistants out there. He played for 3 franchises and spent long amounts of time in both the Eastern and Western conferences. He is one of the greatest players of all time. All Time. He is an NBA champion. He defines leadership. He might have been the best floor general and might have had the best court-vision of all-time. He made the playoffs 17 straight seasons..He took a bunch of former All-stars and 2 HoF's with massive egos, all of whom are past their primes to the 2nd round of the playoffs after starting the season 10-21. Sure he was an easy joke around the league early on but he obviously figured something out after a couple of months. That's usually what happens. There's also the chance that he would be more accepted and respected by his players in Milwaukee, who grew up watching him dominate the league, as opposed to coaching a bunch of people he **** on for years as a player. You think Paul Pierce, KG, Deron Williams, or Jason Terry wanted to hear what was wrong with their games and what they needed to fix from Kidd? I think Kidd could do absolute wonders for Wolters, Knight, and Giannis specifically.

I get that people think he is a **** person because he has one DWI and a couple of domestic abuse incidents brought on by a jealous, desperate, lonely, money grubbing crazy of an ex-wife. But maybe he got home from a 10 day road trip at 3am in 2001 and she drunkenly attacked him with bull and physicality, causing him to slap her across the face. Maybe he had a few too many beers one night and was texting at the wrong time and got pulled over.

All I'm saying is I would bet money that a few posters on this board have a DWI. I bet those people are fine human beings who one night made a poor decision, were caught, and suffered the consequences. The domestic abuse thing is much worse though it is pretty widely known that after the 2001 incident, all further incidents reported were exaggerations by his wife. I obviously don't condone what happened in 2001, but no one here knows what actually went on that night. What was said. What was done by his wife.

To brand the guy a **** person with no capability of being a successful leader off the court for an NBA franchise because of a few incidents that happened long ago in his personal life to me, is stupid. There's no denying that he has the potential to be an absolute game changer for our franchise, regardless of whether you believe he is an **** or not.

Again, a 2nd round pick is nothing if it means the immediate removal of Larry Drew and the addition of Jason Kidd's coaching potential.

[Down To Buck]

Two instances of people forcing their way to Milwaukee in less than a week. Kind of refreshing.

LeBron is next! I can feel it!

[no3dg3]

JSOnline poll (full of casuals):

Do you like the choice of Jason Kidd to coach the Milwaukee Bucks?

Yes (38%)
No (62%)

That should surprise nobody

Like I said before this poll was originally made when everyone was under the impression he was going for POBO. Close the thread and make a new poll. Don't just change the name....biased OP

[SpursNBucks]

I get that people think he is a **** person because he has one DWI and a couple of domestic abuse incidents brought on by a jealous, desperate, lonely, money grubbing crazy of an ex-wife. But maybe he got home from a 10 day road trip at 3am in 2001 and she drunkenly attacked him with bull and physicality, causing him to slap her across the face. Maybe he had a few too many beers one night and was texting at the wrong time and got pulled over.

I'm not real big on judging people on stuff like DWI- hell I bet 90%+ of us have driven in situations where we could have gotten one. What bothers me more is that he plead guilty to the domestic violence charge against his wife. She said he knocked her face into a car dash, and broke her rib. He obviously disagrees- it becomes a he said/she said situation. The only thing is he is the one that has a police record.

The other thing I don't really like is after one year he wants a raise (JS reports) from $10 mil/4 years to $25/4 years to come to the Bucks. Then you add on compensation of what could be a 1st round pick if Nets get their way, but at least a 2nd. That will be a pretty high 2nd round pick - and that is where you can get a Wolters type player possibly. The 2nd doesn't bother me at all really though, but if they go for anything more this could get ugly with Bucks fans. Throw them Mayo if they want compensation - hell include Delfino and Zaza.

[machu46]

I get that people think he is a **** person because he has one DWI and a couple of domestic abuse incidents brought on by a jealous, desperate, lonely, money grubbing crazy of an ex-wife. But maybe he got home from a 10 day road trip at 3am in 2001 and she drunkenly attacked him with bull and physicality, causing him to slap her across the face. Maybe he had a few too many beers one night and was texting at the wrong time and got pulled over.

I'm not real big on judging people on stuff like DWI- hell I bet 90%+ of us have driven in situations where we could have gotten one. What bothers me more is that he plead guilty to the domestic violence charge against his wife. She said he knocked her face into a car dash, and broke her rib. He obviously disagrees- it becomes a he said/she said situation. The only thing is he is the one that has a police record.

The other thing I don't really like is after one year he wants a raise (JS reports) from $10 mil/4 years to $25/4 years to come to the Bucks. Then you add on compensation of what could be a 1st round pick if Nets get their way, but at least a 2nd. That will be a pretty high 2nd round pick - and that is where you can get a Wolters type player possibly. The 2nd doesn't bother me at all really though, but if they go for anything more this could get ugly with Bucks fans. Throw them Mayo if they want compensation - hell include Delfino and Zaza.

Players cannot be traded in a deal for a coach. This is why Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett are not Clippers right now.

[bullox]

Is it safe to say that BuckPack is no longer an insider?

I've been asking if he's around and no one has said anything. I'm assuming he no longer is or can't comment

He doesn't work for us. He knows somebody, somebody sometimes tells him things. I don't think he's got the Bucks offices' wired. He'll tell us if he hears something. In the meantime, nothing's going to happen as a result of us not knowing.

Plot twist - he works for the NSA.

[Oscar71]

I can think of a lot of ex-players with a lot more rings than Kidd that failed or were never even interviewed to be a coach or exec... But giving up any picks for him would be on par with the 8-yr deal Kohl gave Mike Dunleavy to be GM/Coach.... That being said, I'm OK if he's brought in to replace Drew, as long as he gets the job done....

[Ruben Douglas]

I think it's s good move from the standpoint that he's a big name. Average basketball fans that will be voting on public funds for a new stadium know who he is. 2nd round picks are camp fodder 90% of the time. For a franchise left for dead this is pretty exciting.

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[eagle13]

Lasry & Edens. Think Mark Cuban in partnership with himself. These guys are sharp. But like Cuban whose mouth and actions have stirred up plenty of dust in his early days, L&E are bound to experience a learning curve of the business of professional sports – especially the intense media coverage. They’re also very use to control. They are smart enough to have good basketball people around and running things but don’t think for a moment they do not exercise final say. IF they fully understand and commit to the vision and process as currently presented it can work just fine.

Guess Kidd is friends with Lasry. Hope that is fortuntious rather than detrimental. Kidd has only 1 yr coaching experience and zero FO experience and he wants to be Team President? Seems it’s a little fast – maybe it would be advisable for Lasry and Edens to hire Kidd but wait a year to name Kidd President while Kidd demonstrates his decision making skills and aptitiude. But hey Kidd was one of the truly good PGs using his great court vision and understanding of the game to make decisions. Vision and understanding - If Kidd groks those two principals he’ll do OK. But I sure as hell don’t give up a 1st – unless maybe it is fully lottery protected.

As for Hammond and Drew – haven’t heard if they themselves have said anything or if its all the media? They have nothing to complain about as all of us understood where they stood they had to have as well. We all feel Drew needs to be gone and it appears certain. Maybe it could be smoother but hey - Hammond on the other hand will have the option of training Kidd or hit the road. Its way early – I feel 100% good about ownership.

BTW I like that Aaron Rodgers and Junior Bridgeman are taking a small stake of the team and joining the ownership. With those two, Kidd and Lasrys "internet" daughter we can create a little vibe in Milwaukee

[WEFFPIM]

A second round pick next year for Kidd is a much easier pill to swallow, and downright positive if it is only for him to be coach. But if the Nets say no...yowza does it create a magnificent mess in this organization and theirs.

This entire thing is absurd.

[paulpressey25]

I guess I'd like to know what it is about Jason Kidd that screams "great fit" for him to be head coach of the Bucks at their current stage of development?

I assumed everyone here wanted to play and develop the young guys for another year or two, while trying to get at least one more high lotto shot.

Would seem to me that Kidd's temperament and competitive nature would not make him a good fit for what the owners claim they want to accomplish the next two years.

[VooDoo7]

I guess I'd like to know what it is about Jason Kidd that screams "great fit" for him to be head coach of the Bucks at their current stage of development?

-It's a big name. It's Jason Kidd.

-This means no more Larry Drew.

I'm guessing these are the two main reasons the pro-Kidd folks are for this. I couldn't be more against it. Getting rid of Drew, hell yes. But replacing him with Kidd, hell no!

[Miasma]

I guess I'd like to know what it is about Jason Kidd that screams "great fit" for him to be head coach of the Bucks at their current stage of development?

I assumed everyone here wanted to play and develop the young guys for another year or two, while trying to get at least one more high lotto shot.

Would seem to me that Kidd's temperament and competitive nature would not make him a good fit for what the owners claim they want to accomplish the next two years.

I have no idea, but perhaps they are playing the long-game, bringing him on now as just the coach to soften the blow of a an eventual front-office promotion? Otherwise, yes, it makes no sense unless this development stuff is b.s and they plan on attempting to make some bombshell free agent acquisition.

[JoeyMorgan619]

I'm not sure why anybody is getting worked up about sending away a second round pick considering how we used our second round picks earlier this week.

[paulpressey25]

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-This means no more Larry Drew.

Who wants to keep Larry Drew? None of us do, nor do the new owners. That issue should be irrelevant and is a complete straw man in this discussion.

The question should be who the GM or POBO should be and then let that person be part of the coach search process. Otherwise you really aren't bringing in Kidd solely as coach, but he will be a super powered coach w/significant GM input the same way Karl or even Skiles apparently was. I'm not sure those situations work unless you are Pat Riley in a mega-market.

This situation just screamed for Lasry and Edens to find the next Presti type guy and work in concert with that hire to get a great developmental coach. The Kidd thing for me reeks of Kohl going for the swag with Monta.

[Mink Coat Mason]

Still fascinated by this story. At first I said no, then I talked myself into it. Now, I'm somewhere in the middle. I really can't judge him on his coaching job the last season simply because we'll be rebuilding here with young guys, while he was with a bunch of salty vets trying to win a ring.

At the end of the day, it's incredibly difficult to project what Kidd will do if he comes to Milwaukee. For all we know he could be great or go out in a spectacular blaze of failure. He is not a retread, though. He is young. He might not be the young coach many of us envisioned but if this thing does go down I'll be very interested to see what he brings: bad or good. In many ways he's a swing for the fences hire. I just wonder how he and Larry Sanders would get along...he obviously respects his game if he tried to trade for him/thought he'd fit his system.

[Chuck Diesel]

The owners have talked multiple times about wanting to emulate the Spurs organization. Could you ever imagine San Antonio pulling a move like this? Structurally this is so out of whack with what they claim they want to accomplish.

[machu46]

Last thought of the night: I feel like if we were potentially going to get in trouble for tampering, that Carl guy would have mentioned that in one of his posts considering how anti-Jason Kidd he's been throughout the whole thing. I feel like we're in the clear here if Brooklyn accepts a 2nd round pick for him.

[paulpressey25]

The owners have talked multiple times about wanting to emulate the Spurs organization. Could you ever imagine San Antonio pulling a move like this? Structurally this is so out of whack with what they claim they want to accomplish.

Yep.

As I said, this feels like Herb wanting some swag. Not to mention the fact that Kidd's volatile personality is basically identical to Scott Skiles, with the caveat that Kidd has more cred with current players because he was a far better player. But the temper tantrums, power plays and mess of a personal life are all there with both guys.

If I wanted to come up with names of coaches I'd like to have to develop Giannis, Jabari, Wolters, Middleton, etc, Kidd would be far down the list.

[Wonka]

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