Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

JustinCredible · Post #1381 » by **JustinCredible** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:50 pm

Matches Malone wrote:If the Clippers want some young players, do you think they'd be silly enough to gamble on Thon? I'd be down for DeAndre Jordan but if it's going to cost us Brogdon or Middleton, I'd rather we just went the cheap route.

Since they want young players but also don't want to bottom out and tank as some of the articles coming out are suggesting, maybe something along the lines of:

DeAndre Jordan + Lou Williams for Thon Maker + Tony Snell + Matthew Dellavedova + Mirza Teltovic

Hear me out. They get a couple younger players + guys who can contribute right away. Mirza depending on his health status, could possibly be looked at as an expiring. Also, if the Clippers want to shed salary without bottoming out, I'd think they would want to move DJ so he doesn't accept his player option (Which I think is likely, considering I doubt he'll get that much next season).

Okay, this is beginning to sound like a pipe dream, but that was my rationale for the trade lol.

That is trading table scraps for 2 borderline All-Stars. No chance the Clippers take that. Throw in Jabari along with Thon to even start that conversation.

JustinCredible · Post #1382 » by **JustinCredible** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:54 pm

We are terrible trade partners with the Clippers if they are trying to create cap flexibility for this off-season. Jabari is our only expiring. We don’t have any big contracts in their last year so it is impossible to give them what they would want without finding another dance partner.

Badgerlander · Post #1383 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:04 pm

Matches Malone wrote:If the Clippers want some young players, do you think they'd be silly enough to gamble on Thon? I'd be down for DeAndre Jordan but if it's going to cost us Brogdon or Middleton, I'd rather we just went the cheap route.

Since they want young players but also don't want to bottom out and tank as some of the articles coming out are suggesting, maybe something along the lines of:

DeAndre Jordan + Lou Williams for Thon Maker + Tony Snell + Matthew Dellavedova + Mirza Teltovic

Hear me out. They get a couple younger players + guys who can contribute right away. Mirza depending on his health status, could possibly be looked at as an expiring. Also, if the Clippers want to shed salary without bottoming out, I'd think they would want to move DJ so he doesn't accept his player option (Which I think is likely, considering I doubt he'll get that much next season).

Okay, this is beginning to sound like a pipe dream, but that was my rationale for the trade lol.

I think pipe dream is an understatement. You do know that Lou Willy was leading the Clips in scoring and assists BEFORE the Blake trade? He is 16th in the league in PPGz, 5th among SGs just ahead of Jimmy Butler or 6th for PGs ahead of Kemba. DeAndre is averaging 14.8 rebounds per game, 0.2 shy of his career high for a season. They are rentals but somebody is going to give up something crazy and it just might be the Cavs giving up the Nets pick.

Matches Malone · Post #1384 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:05 pm

JustinCredible wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:If the Clippers want some young players, do you think they'd be silly enough to gamble on Thon? I'd be down for DeAndre Jordan but if it's going to cost us Brogdon or Middleton, I'd rather we just went the cheap route.

Since they want young players but also don't want to bottom out and tank as some of the articles coming out are suggesting, maybe something along the lines of:

DeAndre Jordan + Lou Williams for Thon Maker + Tony Snell + Matthew Dellavedova + Mirza Teltovic

Hear me out. They get a couple younger players + guys who can contribute right away. Mirza depending on his health status, could possibly be looked at as an expiring. Also, if the Clippers want to shed salary without bottoming out, I'd think they would want to move DJ so he doesn't accept his player option (Which I think is likely, considering I doubt he'll get that much next season).

Okay, this is beginning to sound like a pipe dream, but that was my rationale for the trade lol.

That is trading table scraps for 2 borderline All-Stars. No chance the Clippers take that. Throw in Jabari along with Thon to even start that conversation.

Hey, I did say it was a pipedream lol

Considering how you feel about Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley becoming a free agent and a middle of the road 1st, Clippers probably got table scraps for Blake Griffin.

DingleJerry · Post #1385 » by **DingleJerry** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:08 pm

But in this trade their taking on a bunch of extended money. That seems like the exact opposite of what LAC is doing right now.

Bucksfan28 · Post #1386 » by **Bucksfan28** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:09 pm

Just no to DAJ.

Badgerlander · Post #1387 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:14 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
JustinCredible wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:If the Clippers want some young players, do you think they'd be silly enough to gamble on Thon? I'd be down for DeAndre Jordan but if it's going to cost us Brogdon or Middleton, I'd rather we just went the cheap route.

Since they want young players but also don't want to bottom out and tank as some of the articles coming out are suggesting, maybe something along the lines of:

DeAndre Jordan + Lou Williams for Thon Maker + Tony Snell + Matthew Dellavedova + Mirza Teltovic

Hear me out. They get a couple younger players + guys who can contribute right away. Mirza depending on his health status, could possibly be looked at as an expiring. Also, if the Clippers want to shed salary without bottoming out, I'd think they would want to move DJ so he doesn't accept his player option (Which I think is likely, considering I doubt he'll get that much next season).

Okay, this is beginning to sound like a pipe dream, but that was my rationale for the trade lol.

That is trading table scraps for 2 borderline All-Stars. No chance the Clippers take that. Throw in Jabari along with Thon to even start that conversation.

Hey, I did say it was a pipedream lol

Considering how you feel about Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley becoming a free agent and a middle of the road 1st, Clippers probably got table scraps for Blake Griffin.

Tobes is have a career year and got consideration for an all star reserve spot and he's just 25

http://bkref.com/tiny/1ajdf

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1388 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:17 pm

posted this in the other thread:

Hypothetical question here.....wondering what everyone's tale on this would be:

Had we not traded for Bledsoe, and the Clippers call asking the Bucks to give up Monroe, Jabari, and the Bucks 2018 1st and 2nd for Blake.....would you pull the trigger?

I wouldn't.....but I'm wondering how most on this forum feel about such a hypothetical.

thoughts?

har13 · Post #1389 » by **har13** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:18 pm

The problem is Thon mins but most here trade Henson, i mean how that helps?
I can' t understand you people.

Matches Malone · Post #1390 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:25 pm

Badgerlander wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
JustinCredible wrote:
That is trading table scraps for 2 borderline All-Stars. No chance the Clippers take that. Throw in Jabari along with Thon to even start that conversation.

Hey, I did say it was a pipedream lol

Considering how you feel about Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley becoming a free agent and a middle of the road 1st, Clippers probably got table scraps for Blake Griffin.

Tobes is have a career year and got consideration for an all star reserve spot and he's just 25

http://bkref.com/tiny/1ajdf

He's having a decent season, but it doesn't look like an All-Star to me. There's a reason he's on his 4th team before 25. Anyway, I don't feel like hashing this out any further. It was a half joking trade. Just bored at work.

Badgerlander · Post #1391 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:26 pm

Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:posted this in the other thread:

Hypothetical question here.....wondering what everyone's tale on this would be:

Had we not traded for Bledsoe, and the Clippers call asking the Bucks to give up Monroe, Jabari, and the Bucks 2018 1st and 2nd for Blake.....would you pull the trigger?

I wouldn't.....but I'm wondering how most on this forum feel about such a hypothetical.

thoughts?

Id rather have Tobes and Bradley

msiris · Post #1392 » by **msiris** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:32 pm

Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:posted this in the other thread:

Hypothetical question here.....wondering what everyone's tale on this would be:

Had we not traded for Bledsoe, and the Clippers call asking the Bucks to give up Monroe, Jabari, and the Bucks 2018 1st and 2nd for Blake.....would you pull the trigger?

I wouldn't.....but I'm wondering how most on this forum feel about such a hypothetical.

thoughts?

Great talent, but too injury prone and owed too much money. Another thing is why James would even consider Clippers is beyond me.

raferfenix · Post #1393 » by **raferfenix** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:38 pm

How much cap do the Clippers need to drop to get space for 2 max contracts for this offseason?

If their main goal is ending contracts for 2018 couldn't they just keep Deandre and Williams?

There just aren't that many teams who can offer a lot of cap space as well as future assets for win now pieces like those two.

That said, if if it's 2019 that's a different story.

Post #1394 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:43 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Why would Willie Reed be available for free?

Reed is a bit of an anomoly. His stats look good, but he doesn't pass the eye test - smallish and not skilled. He probably shoots more airballs per attempt (including foul shots) than anyone since Darvin Ham. But he seems to get the job done somehow. Not sure if Detroit is going to keep him. They also get Brice Johnson - who I think is more talented.

Post #1395 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:49 pm

Badgerlander wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
JustinCredible wrote:
That is trading table scraps for 2 borderline All-Stars. No chance the Clippers take that. Throw in Jabari along with Thon to even start that conversation.

Hey, I did say it was a pipedream lol

Considering how you feel about Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley becoming a free agent and a middle of the road 1st, Clippers probably got table scraps for Blake Griffin.

Tobes is have a career year and got consideration for an all star reserve spot and he's just 25

http://bkref.com/tiny/1ajdf

Man, it seems like Tobes has been around for a decade, but yeah - he's still young with significant value. I've always liked Bradley, but his offensive stats are not good - surprisingly inefficient (to me). My guess is that the Clips re-sign Harris but don't try to keep Bradley unless nobody else gives him a decent offer.

Post #1396 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:55 pm

raferfenix wrote:How much cap do the Clippers need to drop to get space for 2 max contracts for this offseason?

If their main goal is ending contracts for 2018 couldn't they just keep Deandre and Williams?

There just aren't that many teams who can offer a lot of cap space as well as future assets for win now pieces like those two.

That said, if if it's 2019 that's a different story.

I think for the Bucks to get DAJ, it's almost gotta be a 3 way, because the Clips are looking for draft picks. Bucks would trade either Jabari or Middleton and a contract to the 3rd team. The 3rd team would trade a 1st and expirings to LAC. Probably not gonna happen - it's hard to make 3-way trades that make everyone happy.

JEIS · Post #1397 » by **JEIS** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:02 pm

har13 wrote:The problem is Thon mins but most here trade Henson, i mean how that helps?
I can' t understand you people.

I agree. It would be 3 steps forward and two steps back. Thon is the main issue.. He is not ready for playing time. It is pretty amazing they still play him as much as they do. Not having competent back up center and lacking consistent three point shooters.

raferfenix · Post #1398 » by **raferfenix** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:06 pm

Ruzious wrote:I think for the Bucks to get DAJ, it's almost gotta be a 3 way, because the Clips are looking for draft picks. Bucks would trade either Jabari or Middleton and a contract to the 3rd team. The 3rd team would trade a 1st and expirings to LAC. Probably not gonna happen - it's hard to make 3-way trades that make everyone happy.

Agreed, but Bucks aside, what teams could provide the Clips with ending contracts and draft picks?

Phoenix could but I don't see why they give up any value for Deandre or Williams. Maybe a 3 way deal.

Utah also has some big ending contracts but similarly don't have any use for win now ending contracts.

Other ideas?

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1399 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:09 pm

i still keep going back to trying to get a lower=level piece like Nerlens Noel for hopefully cheap

I could see him working perfectly next to Jabari on a bench unit...lead by Brogdon and Sterling

raferfenix · Post #1400 » by **raferfenix** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:12 pm

I don't see how all of these objectives can be true.

The Clippers can't stay competitive on the floor while also getting 2018 cap space while also leveraging Deandre + Williams for younger players and picks.

I trust Woj over Marc Stein. Maybe the 2018 Lebron chase talk is overblown. It'd make more sense if the Clippers were targeting 2019.

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