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Post#1381 » by raferfenix » Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:36 pm

Prez wrote:Yeah, Giannis in his prime with several years on his contract would net the most ridiculous trade package of all time lol. If he asked out after signing the extension I’d get over it, if I’m the Bucks go full Presti and then full Hinkie.


I want to believe Horst (with a healthy helping of ownership involvement + Budenholzer chiming in) can put together a championship caliber roster.

And I have such a high opinion of Giannis that I think this is possible.

However considering all the missteps that have led to the Holiday Hail Mary, I wish I had more confidence that this crew can make ancillary moves at the margins to increase our chances of winning, much less maximize Giannis as an asset if we do end up needing to trade him.

The Bucks didn’t think we needed a front office shakeup when Morey was available. I hope the errors in this critical offseason persuade the powers that be that we need better leadership at the top — even if everyone below keeps their jobs, like they have in Philly.
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Post#1382 » by JayMKE » Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:59 pm

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JayMKE wrote:If Giannis signs the contract then I wouldn't trade him no matter what he requested, he could retire back to Greece for all I care then. A contract is a contract, there is no "in is day and age" bull.

Why though? How is that better for you than sending him to OKC for a couple hundred picks?

Well as I said if Giannis leaves I’m done with the Bucks and the NBA until given reason a reason to, I just can’t suspend belief anymore at that point that this team ever has a chance at winning a championship. Im not sticking around for garbage current NBA product, it’s hard enough with the best team in the league. I prefer the whole franchise pack up if Giannis leaves.

It’s the principle of it, I’m willing to die on that hill to defend viability of small market teams in light this “pro-player movement”superteam bull that’s killing the league. You guys are pathetic if you’re like “NBD we got a 50 mediocre 1st picks” I know the Hinkie loving tanker freaks would probably like that more than contending. Maybe if we’re lucky we can use some of those picks for some 3rd rate past his prime star who doesn’t want to be here on the last year of his contract. Isn’t having “assets” great!

Greatest return in NBA history lol yeah right, you realize if Giannis demands a trade then it’s not going to be to OKC right? You’ll have the usual suspects and they can’t empty their chests completely or it would be a worse situation than the one Giannis is leaving. That means you’re not getting Bam + Herro + picks, not Tatum + Brown + picks. You guys probably wouldn’t want them since you already want to tank, every GS pick until the year 2050 would be preferable. :lol:

If Giannis wants to turn down the supermax and walk then that’s his decision and im willing to take that risk for a chance at a championship. To sign the supermax and then turn around and demand a trade tho would be a total betrayal. I can’t see Giannis doing that but definitely I’d get more joy standing up to the cancerous “players movement” and the media plus to deprive whatever thieving team that we would be bequeathing a dynasty.

Giannis won’t do that and besides Horst will probably give him a player option every year anyways so it’s a moot point.
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Post#1383 » by giannis and 1 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:01 am

Chad34 wrote:Giannis is crazy :lol: what did I just watch :D
I was hoping for a little contract hint

here's another one

Timmy: I'm here with my old best friends
Giannis: Why old best friends? We're not old
Timmy: Because I don't have new best friends
Giannis: WE NOT OLD

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#1384 » by Rstuedes24 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:04 am

I can imagine Horst calling Hambone to ask him if it would be possible to give Giannis an unlimited amount of player option years back to back.
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Post#1385 » by randy84 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:30 am

Prez wrote:Yeah, Giannis in his prime with several years on his contract would net the most ridiculous trade package of all time lol. If he asked out after signing the extension I’d get over it, if I’m the Bucks go full Presti and then full Hinkie.


Except he is going to want to be traded to a contender which may net you a package like the Pelicans got for Davis. Not exactly a great haul.
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Post#1386 » by giannis and 1 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:31 am

GoldenAntlers wrote:To be fair, she's right in saying superstars signing a contract doesn't really mean anything these days.

It means we get the biggest trade package in NBA history if he wants out.
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Post#1387 » by giannis and 1 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:34 am

JayMKE wrote:If Giannis signs the contract then I wouldn't trade him no matter what he requested, he could retire back to Greece for all I care then. A contract is a contract, there is no "in this day and age" bull.

Disagree. You are allowed to request a trade in the NBA. Not sure if there are any rules saying that a team has to trade a player if he requests a trade, but if we didn't... how does that look to other players? Players will not want to play for the Bucks.
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Post#1388 » by SirChurros » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:35 am

You guys keep getting flooded with the Giannis and Thanasis TCL commercials? You'd think he'd be able to get a better TV endorsement than TCL. :lol:
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Post#1389 » by skones » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:40 am

Krispy Kreme wrote:You guys keep getting flooded with the Giannis and Thanasis TCL commercials? You'd think he'd be able to get a better TV endorsement than TCL. :lol:


They're a 10 billion dollar company and the own the 2nd largest share of the TV market in the world. They're not exactly small.
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Post#1390 » by Pachinko_ » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:41 am

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Pachinko_ wrote:
JayMKE wrote:If Giannis signs the contract then I wouldn't trade him no matter what he requested, he could retire back to Greece for all I care then. A contract is a contract, there is no "in is day and age" bull.

Why though? How is that better for you than sending him to OKC for a couple hundred picks?

Well as I said if Giannis leaves I’m done with the Bucks and the NBA until given reason a reason to, I just can’t suspend belief anymore at that point that this team ever has a chance at winning a championship. Im not sticking around for garbage current NBA product, it’s hard enough with the best team in the league. I prefer the whole franchise pack up if Giannis leaves.

It’s the principle of it, I’m willing to die on that hill to defend viability of small market teams in light this “pro-player movement”superteam bull that’s killing the league. You guys are pathetic if you’re like “NBD we got a 50 mediocre 1st picks” I know the Hinkie loving tanker freaks would probably like that more than contending. Maybe if we’re lucky we can use some of those picks for some 3rd rate past his prime star who doesn’t want to be here on the last year of his contract. Isn’t having “assets” great!

Greatest return in NBA history lol yeah right, you realize if Giannis demands a trade then it’s not going to be to OKC right? You’ll have the usual suspects and they can’t empty their chests completely or it would be a worse situation than the one Giannis is leaving. That means you’re not getting Bam + Herro + picks, not Tatum + Brown + picks. You guys probably wouldn’t want them since you already want to tank, every GS pick until the year 2050 would be preferable. :lol:

If Giannis wants to turn down the supermax and walk then that’s his decision and im willing to take that risk for a chance at a championship. To sign the supermax and then turn around and demand a trade tho would be a total betrayal. I can’t see Giannis doing that but definitely I’d get more joy standing up to the cancerous “players movement” and the media plus to deprive whatever thieving team that we would be bequeathing a dynasty.

Giannis won’t do that and besides Horst will probably give him a player option every year anyways so it’s a moot point.

Eh ok pack up if that's what you wanna do, some of us still want to watch some hoops, Giannis or no Giannis.
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Giannis can go wherever the **** he wants, but if he's under contract first he has to go where the Bucks trade him to, like Kawhi and Butler did. That little detail makes all the difference.
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Pachinko_ wrote:
JayMKE wrote:If Giannis signs the contract then I wouldn't trade him no matter what he requested, he could retire back to Greece for all I care then. A contract is a contract, there is no "in this day and age" bull.

Why though? How is that better for you than sending him to OKC for a couple hundred picks?


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Post#1392 » by JayMKE » Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:58 am

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JayMKE wrote:If Giannis signs the contract then I wouldn't trade him no matter what he requested, he could retire back to Greece for all I care then. A contract is a contract, there is no "in this day and age" bull.

Disagree. You are allowed to request a trade in the NBA. Not sure if there are any rules saying that a team has to trade a player if he requests a trade, but if we didn't... how does that look to other players? Players will not want to play for the Bucks.

Players can request anything they want but there is no obligation to heed it, if Giannis wants out then he should not sign the supermax not try to scam us so he could get paid even more on the Lakers. You think Giannis will sit or or make a public show of it? I’ll call that bluff but if he wants to be a villain then he’ll earn that reputation publicly, Id advocate 100% hardball in that situation. Drown his Disney in boo’s

The truth is there isn’t single god damn professional athlete in the world that actually wants to live or even play in Milwaukee if it were their choice so we have to make a stand or else what is the point of having a team? You play to win the game, you don’t just play to play it! Sign a contract or don’t but you’re honoring that contract if you do, end of story.

If NBA guys really want to freely move around on their own whim then maybe NBA contracts should be non-guaranteed.
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Post#1393 » by JayMKE » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:09 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
JayMKE wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:Why though? How is that better for you than sending him to OKC for a couple hundred picks?

Well as I said if Giannis leaves I’m done with the Bucks and the NBA until given reason a reason to, I just can’t suspend belief anymore at that point that this team ever has a chance at winning a championship. Im not sticking around for garbage current NBA product, it’s hard enough with the best team in the league. I prefer the whole franchise pack up if Giannis leaves.

It’s the principle of it, I’m willing to die on that hill to defend viability of small market teams in light this “pro-player movement”superteam bull that’s killing the league. You guys are pathetic if you’re like “NBD we got a 50 mediocre 1st picks” I know the Hinkie loving tanker freaks would probably like that more than contending. Maybe if we’re lucky we can use some of those picks for some 3rd rate past his prime star who doesn’t want to be here on the last year of his contract. Isn’t having “assets” great!

Greatest return in NBA history lol yeah right, you realize if Giannis demands a trade then it’s not going to be to OKC right? You’ll have the usual suspects and they can’t empty their chests completely or it would be a worse situation than the one Giannis is leaving. That means you’re not getting Bam + Herro + picks, not Tatum + Brown + picks. You guys probably wouldn’t want them since you already want to tank, every GS pick until the year 2050 would be preferable. :lol:

If Giannis wants to turn down the supermax and walk then that’s his decision and im willing to take that risk for a chance at a championship. To sign the supermax and then turn around and demand a trade tho would be a total betrayal. I can’t see Giannis doing that but definitely I’d get more joy standing up to the cancerous “players movement” and the media plus to deprive whatever thieving team that we would be bequeathing a dynasty.

Giannis won’t do that and besides Horst will probably give him a player option every year anyways so it’s a moot point.

Eh ok pack up if that's what you wanna do, some of us still want to watch some hoops, Giannis or no Giannis.
The NBA has created an incredible amount of opportunities for small teams, certainly multiple times more than Europe where it's pretty much Barcelona or nothing in every sport. You guys want perfection, everything to be 100% equal, well that's not gonna happen, ever. That's just life. Small teams like OKC, Denver and San Antonio make the best of it and others don't. The journey has value to some fans even if it doesn't result in a championship (personally I don't really care to be honest, I just want to watch some quality basketball).

Giannis can go wherever the **** he wants, but if he's under contract first he has to go where the Bucks trade him to, like Kawhi and Butler did. That little detail makes all the difference.


If you think you can dictate where Giannis goes for maximum return(not exactly what happened with Kawhi or Butler btw) then why can’t you dictate that he stays? If you’re okay trading a locked up Giannis then you’re okay with whatever poo poo platter from your big market usual suspects would send in return. Quite frankly I don’t give a **** if athletes don’t get to play where they want to play, that is not a right they’re entitled to under the CBA their union negotiated.
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Post#1394 » by giannis and 1 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:22 am

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JayMKE wrote:If Giannis signs the contract then I wouldn't trade him no matter what he requested, he could retire back to Greece for all I care then. A contract is a contract, there is no "in this day and age" bull.

Disagree. You are allowed to request a trade in the NBA. Not sure if there are any rules saying that a team has to trade a player if he requests a trade, but if we didn't... how does that look to other players? Players will not want to play for the Bucks.

Players can request anything they want but there is no obligation to heed it, if Giannis wants out then he should not sign the supermax not try to scam us so he could get paid even more on the Lakers. You think Giannis will sit or or make a public show of it? I’ll call that bluff but if he wants to be a villain then he’ll earn that reputation publicly, Id advocate 100% hardball in that situation. Drown his Disney in boo’s

The truth is there isn’t single god damn professional athlete in the world that actually wants to live or even play in Milwaukee if it were their choice so we have to make a stand or else what is the point of having a team? You play to win the game, you don’t just play to play it! Sign a contract or don’t but you’re honoring that contract if you do, end of story.

If NBA guys really want to freely move around on their own whim then maybe NBA contracts should be non-guaranteed.

This is such bull in so many ways.

If Giannis didn't sign the supermax and kicked, we would be left with nothing. If he signs it and asks out a couple years later, we get the biggest trade package in sports history. I read your other posts and you seem to think we are doomed as a franchise if we have no Giannis - that is such a joke of a mentality. Look at OKC and how many picks they have. We would get a boatload of picks and young players. There is no reality where we would get some mediocre **** in exchange for him. There is also no reality where losing Giannis for absolutely nothing is preferable to trading him for assets :crazy:

And if Giannis signs the supermax with us but wants out later on, it would be because we have failed in the playoffs and he doesn't think we can win a championship anytime soon. Elite players don't remain elite forever, they have a timeframe where they are at there best and have the best chance of winning. How can you fault him for asking out in that situation?

The last part of your post can apply to every team in the NBA other than the handful of big market teams. If Giannis signs the supermax, that shows that he wants to spend at least a couple more years in Milwaukee. Milwaukee might not have the weather and endorsements that other teams have but if the org can build a team that is a contender year in and year out, players will want to play here. It has already started to happen...

If he wants out, it is what it is. He gave us a lot of good years, and we at least get something back for him. That something will probably not be as good as Giannis, but at least we aren't left completely bare. I will still be cheering for us to hit on those draft picks to find another star and build a contender again.

But what you can't do is create a toxic situation where you don't trade the best player your franchise has had when he requests a trade. *And I am assuming that this trade request would happen at least 2 years into his extension*. That would make the Bucks org go from a place where not a lot of players want to play... into a place where no one wants to play.
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JayMKE wrote:if Giannis wants out then he should not sign the supermax not try to scam us so he could get paid even more on the Lakers.

Are you even listening to yourself?

You would rather him just walk for nothing than have a 2-Time MVP caliber trade asset, disgruntled or not, locked up long-term? Just because it would hurt your feelings if he asks out at some point? If he bounces after next season without any extension, that would more villainous than signing the supermax and later requesting a trade. He'd be doing us a favor by extending first, giving us some power to command a king's ransom down the line if things don't go as planned.
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Post#1396 » by giannis and 1 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:41 am

RiotPunch wrote:
JayMKE wrote:if Giannis wants out then he should not sign the supermax not try to scam us so he could get paid even more on the Lakers.

Are you even listening to yourself?

You would rather him just walk for nothing than have a 2-Time MVP caliber trade asset, disgruntled or not, locked up long-term? Just because it would hurt your feelings if he asks out at some point? If he bounces after next season without any extension, that would more villainous than signing the supermax and later requesting a trade. He'd be doing us a favor by extending first, giving us some power to command a king's ransom down the line if things don't go as planned.

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Krispy Kreme wrote:You guys keep getting flooded with the Giannis and Thanasis TCL commercials? You'd think he'd be able to get a better TV endorsement than TCL. :lol:


They're a 10 billion dollar company and the own the 2nd largest share of the TV market in the world. They're not exactly small.


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trwi7 wrote:JayMKE is pretty young and already yells at clouds. Wonder what he reaches the ages of our moderators.


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trwi7 wrote:JayMKE is pretty young and already yells at clouds. Wonder what he reaches the ages of our moderators.


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