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Ron Swanson · Post #1381 » by **Ron Swanson** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:38 pm

Can't see anyone but DDV starting at the SG spot. Craig and Pat are probably too limited offensively and Forbes has big defensive issues.

Chapter29 · Post #1382 » by **Chapter29** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:40 pm

vollbc74 wrote:Regular season rotation?

PG: Jrue (24)/Augustine (24)
SG: Forbes (18)/DDV (22)/Jrue (8)
SF: Middleton (30)/ Pat (18)
PF: Giannis (25)/Craig (15)/Portis (8)
C: Lopez (25)/Portis (15)/Giannis (8)

11-15:DJ/Thanasis/Mason/Merrill/Nwora

Ouch. Not sure I am loving this roster and not sure this is what gets Giannis to resign if he was in doubt. Swap Forbes with BB and there that looks like a championship contender....that line up right there has I need a starting caliber SG written all over it.

Holiday >> Bledsoe
Wes > Forbes
Portis >=< MW / Ersan??
Craig > RoLo

Chemistry. Holiday is a great add based on his character. This others I have no idea.

Offense. We certainly made an effort to get shooting. Thought we did that last year too but nope. Playmaking is where we really improved, with 2 solid pick n roll guys for example.

Defensively and the C spot is where we took a bit of a hit.

Outside of Holiday who I think is a major upgrade over Bledsoe, the other acquisitions feel like afterthoughts. Not a great feeling when you’re trying to sign your best player to a Supermax. I sure hope we have a rabbit up our sleeves but I doubt it. Way to leak that info dummy’s that may have cost you a lot more than just a good starting SG. Ugh.

har13 · Post #1383 » by **har13** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:43 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Can't see anyone but DDV starting at the SG spot. Craig and Pat are probably too limited offensively and Forbes has big defensive issues.

Craig is a SG? Pat SF?

skones · Post #1384 » by **skones** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:43 pm

Ruzious wrote:
skones wrote:
Ruzious wrote:If Huerter turns heads, he'll have to do it while playing fewer minutes - since Atl is signing Bogdan - which makes their starting 5 much better.

I mean, you've been **** on the guy since before he was drafted, and you've been pretty off as is. It doesn't help when you continue to throw out the lazy "he's awfully slow."

You're at of line there. I posted FOR him... long before anyone even considered him draftable. Then everyone caught on and started overrating him. I've posted about him being overrated probably no more than 5 times - all in response to people like you criticizing the Bucks for saying they should have picked him over DDV. And I haven't been wrong at all about him. And he is f'n slow for an NBA athlete. Anyone who's seen him play can see that. By saying that's lazy, you better not be implying there's something racial about it. Otherwise, why do you call my comment lazy? And tell me how I've been off on him? What's the best you can say about his performance other than he hasn't been bad for his age. And do your really believe Atl hasn't significantly improved their starting lineup by getting Bogdan to replace him?

You bet it's racially implied. White guy, "awfully slow."

I don't know how you watch the guy play and come away thinking, "wow, he is so slow" with a working pair of eyes. You calling him "slow" certainly isn't based on him on an NBA floor, but you're more than free to tell me where it does come from. It's legitimately obvious he's a good NBA athlete.

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slos · Post #1385 » by **slos** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:49 pm

I like this roster as long as Bud will be willing to play big minutes his starters in the playoffs and stick to a tight 8-9 man rotation.

Jrue (36).........Augustin (12)
DDV (30).........Augustin (12).....Forbes (6)
Midds (36).......Craig (6)...........Forbes (6)
Giannis (36).....Portis (6)..........Craig (6)
Brook (30).......Portis (18)

We will miss depth to make a 60+ Ws run and will probably have some tough Ls in the RS when some of Jrue/Midds/Giannis will need to sit, but **** this. Augustin/Forbes/Craig/Portis is OK depth in limited minutes for the 20 games in the playoffs that will matter. This can also improve in the deadline and the buyout market.

Bucksfan28 · Post #1386 » by **Bucksfan28** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:51 pm

This will go down as an all-time Bucks RGM offseason.

yannisk · Post #1387 » by **yannisk** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:51 pm

I think we put too much weight on the Jrue upgrade. In 2017-18 Pelicans had Jrue, DMC and AD and nobody thought they were contenders. I don't remember their bench but I can't imagine it was worse than ours

greekbuck34 · Post #1388 » by **greekbuck34** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:51 pm

At least we know our limits as team in the off season and Giannis, now after 3 competitive seasons, is certain about this too. This is as good as it can gets in here. We are unable or unwilling for something better.
We just can't sign an elite(borderline all star) free agent either by incompetence or the Milwaukee factor and we have to give everything up to trade for just one and the owners are unwilling to go to the luxury tax even if it costs them their superstar.

Post #1389 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:52 pm

skones wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
skones wrote:
I mean, you've been **** on the guy since before he was drafted, and you've been pretty off as is. It doesn't help when you continue to throw out the lazy "he's awfully slow."

You're at of line there. I posted FOR him... long before anyone even considered him draftable. Then everyone caught on and started overrating him. I've posted about him being overrated probably no more than 5 times - all in response to people like you criticizing the Bucks for saying they should have picked him over DDV. And I haven't been wrong at all about him. And he is f'n slow for an NBA athlete. Anyone who's seen him play can see that. By saying that's lazy, you better not be implying there's something racial about it. Otherwise, why do you call my comment lazy? And tell me how I've been off on him? What's the best you can say about his performance other than he hasn't been bad for his age. And do your really believe Atl hasn't significantly improved their starting lineup by getting Bogdan to replace him?

You bet it's racially implied. White guy, "awfully slow."

I don't know how you watch the guy play and come away thinking, "wow, he is so slow" with a working pair of eyes. You calling him "slow" certainly isn't based on him on an NBA floor, but you're more than free to tell me where it does come from. Again, it's lazy.

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So we have a disagreement, and you jump to the conclusion it's because I'm racist. That is what I call lazy. It's also incredibly insulting. Btw, I've posted a lot more about DDV, and why do you think I've never called him slow?

drone3 · Post #1390 » by **drone3** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:55 pm

vollbc74 wrote:Regular season rotation?

PG: Jrue (24)/Augustine (24)
SG: Forbes (18)/DDV (22)/Jrue (8)
SF: Middleton (30)/ Pat (18)
PF: Giannis (25)/Craig (15)/Portis (8)
C: Lopez (25)/Portis (15)/Giannis (8)

11-15:DJ/Thanasis/Mason/Merrill/Nwora

There is no way Forbes is starting, honestly he is more of a 3rd stringer.

Fotis St · Post #1391 » by **Fotis St** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:56 pm

Horst, just bring Rokas Jokubaitis to fill our 15th roster spot and I will be happy... start Sam Merrill or DJ Augustine at the SG ... Jrue and DDV combined are probably one of the worst 3pt shooting backcourt in the entire league. We shouldn't start DDV

MrHoneycutt · Post #1392 » by **MrHoneycutt** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:56 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:At least we know our limits as team in the off season and Giannis, now after 3 competitive seasons, is certain about this too. This is as good as it can gets in here. We are unable or unwilling for something better.
We just can't sign an elite(borderline all star) free agent either by incompetence or the Milwaukee factor and we have to give everything up to trade for just one and the owners are unwilling to go to the luxury tax even if it costs them their superstar.

I think that so long as the current regime (LED and front office) are in place, this is indeed likely our limit. If we would have been smarter about our assets these past few years we'd be in such a better place to make a big-time trade since nobody marquee is likely signing here as a FA. It's hard not to feel incredibly bitter around all the tiny mistakes from the past 5 years that have led us to the current fiasco

Bucksfan28 · Post #1393 » by **Bucksfan28** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:56 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Can't see anyone but DDV starting at the SG spot. Craig and Pat are probably too limited offensively and Forbes has big defensive issues.

Re: Forbes - Wouldnt that be the case for starting him? DDV can always close games.

Pat and Craig have no chance though.

LuessiT · Post #1394 » by **LuessiT** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:57 pm

Would take Bender back on a 1+1 too.

MrHoneycutt · Post #1395 » by **MrHoneycutt** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:57 pm

drone3 wrote:
vollbc74 wrote:Regular season rotation?

PG: Jrue (24)/Augustine (24)
SG: Forbes (18)/DDV (22)/Jrue (8)
SF: Middleton (30)/ Pat (18)
PF: Giannis (25)/Craig (15)/Portis (8)
C: Lopez (25)/Portis (15)/Giannis (8)

11-15:DJ/Thanasis/Mason/Merrill/Nwora
There is no way Forbes is starting, honestly he is more of a 3rd stringer.

So help me god if Bud plays Giannis and Jrue only 25 minutes a night I am just going to lose it.

skones · Post #1396 » by **skones** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:58 pm

Ruzious wrote:So we have a disagreement, and you jump to the conclusion it's because I'm racist. That is what I call lazy. It's also incredibly insulting.

Nah, that's what you jumped to when I called your judgement lazy. Me saying you're relying on the old, "white guy poor athlete trope," isn't my jumping to the conclusion that "you're racist" either. Again, that's yours.

Badgerlander · Post #1397 » by **Badgerlander** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:01 am

Ron Swanson wrote:Can't see anyone but DDV starting at the SG spot. Craig and Pat are probably too limited offensively and Forbes has big defensive issues.

I think you start Forbes and if he’s struggling then pull him for DDV. IF DDVs shot isn’t falling then pull him. Forbes ~20mpg, DDV -25mpg with DJ and Jrue playing starter minutes. Matchup dependent of course. I’d try to have either Mids or Forbes on the floor at all times

Post #1398 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:02 am

skones wrote:
Ruzious wrote:So we have a disagreement, and you jump to the conclusion it's because I'm racist. That is what I call lazy. It's also incredibly insulting.

Nah, that's what you jumped to when I called your judgement lazy. Me saying you're relying on the old, "white guy poor athlete trope," isn't my jumping to the conclusion that "you're racist" either. Again, that's yours.

Lol, You're lying. You just said "You bet it's racially implied. White guy, "awfully slow."" Nobody said that but you. I didn't say it. Nobody else said it.

har13 · Post #1399 » by **har13** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:05 am

Better start Augustin and Jrue together..

RiotPunch · Post #1400 » by **RiotPunch** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:06 am

MrHoneycutt wrote:
drone3 wrote:
vollbc74 wrote:Regular season rotation?

PG: Jrue (24)/Augustine (24)
SG: Forbes (18)/DDV (22)/Jrue (8)
SF: Middleton (30)/ Pat (18)
PF: Giannis (25)/Craig (15)/Portis (8)
C: Lopez (25)/Portis (15)/Giannis (8)

11-15:DJ/Thanasis/Mason/Merrill/Nwora
There is no way Forbes is starting, honestly he is more of a 3rd stringer.

So help me god if Bud plays Giannis and Jrue only 25 minutes a night I am just going to lose it.

33 and 32 in that DC, to be fair.