Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Moose Returns

[Ron Swanson]

Ask yourselves why the Celtics would want to get rid of their 5th highest minutes guy while they've won 7 of their last 8 and are still in the running for a Top-4 seed. They either want an overpay for Schroder, or there's some behind the scenes stuff going on (Schroder has a history with wanting his touches/usage).

Cause they wanna duck the tax

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They would have to then essentially dump him to some team with cap space while getting a minimum guy back (presumably with a draft pick attached). So that takes us out of the running anyways (DDV doesn't work with his salary).

[ShootingtheJ]

Yeah I agree with this. It was the same with Boogie. Neither guy will be the answer come May. Then again, if BroLo is healthy I think we can survive with him and Portis as we have our 9 man rotation

Brolo/Bobby
Giannis
Midds/Patty C
Allen/DDV
Jrue/Hill

Then again, you are an injury away from being really short-handed.

Don't really matter if he's an answer or not come playoffs. The same reason why both guys were brought in is the reason why both of them were/are valuable to the team. Playing an NBA season with 2 bigs is absolutely stupid. Brook goes down, play a month before we realize we need a big. Cut Boogie, play a month before we realize we need a big. During those months we were literally running Giannis/Bobby into the ground when guys on the street could provide solid minutes for what reason? Because we don't want to pay them money in April? You can straight up like not field a 14 man roster if that's what you're basing paying money on.

I don't agree with them not having another big but this is a lot of hyperbole. Giannis sat out like 12 games and is only playing 32.5 min a game. He is also massive and people previously advocated moving him to center.
I think it was stupid not to sign moose the minute we waived DMC but it isn't like we have Kidd out here playing him and Midds 40 mpg every game. (I actually think Giannis is more likely to get injured running around like crazy as a wing than boxing out downlow. But obviously just a hypothesis).

Yes, last night was a perfect example of Giannis at center lineups being the easiest minutes Giannis plays. He didn't have to move guarding Zubac, and drove past him untouched with no contact all the way to the rim offensively.

I would like to add a forward to share the rebounding load.

[raferfenix]

Schroder would be a cool Donte replacement. Well, this version of Donte at least. I think trading Hill for him creates as many holes as it fills.

Yeah am surprised anyone here is proposing trading Hill for a Schroder rental.

Hill's been a perfect fit and has proven to be on a value contract for this and next season.

I'd imagine a Schroder acquisition would only make sense as a Donte replacement.

Hill's not untradeable of course but I have a hard time seeing another team valuing him as much as we do.

[Baddy Chuck]

I don't agree with them not having another big but this is a lot of hyperbole. Giannis sat out like 12 games and is only playing 32.5 min a game.

He sat out one game before we signed Boogie. We signed Boogie and he sits out 7 of the next 12 after playing 38 minutes the night before. First two months in games that weren't decided by 20+ points (15 games) he averaged 35 minutes a game, pushing over 35 minutes 7 times. In 10 games the month Boogie was here he played over 35 minutes twice. The month between Boogie and Moose (12 games) the 35+ minute games was 6. I really don't believe it's hyperbole at all.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I don't agree with them not having another big but this is a lot of hyperbole. Giannis sat out like 12 games and is only playing 32.5 min a game.

He sat out one game before we signed Boogie. We signed Boogie and he sits out 7 of the next 12 after playing 38 minutes the night before. First two months in games that weren't decided by 20+ points (15 games) he averaged 35 minutes a game, pushing over 35 minutes 7 times. In 10 games the month Boogie was here he played over 35 minutes twice. The month between Boogie and Moose (12 games) the 35+ minute games was 6. I really don't believe it's hyperbole at all.

I'll have to go back, but I'm willing to bet Giannis played a lot more minutes with Jrue and Khris out. Midds missed 8 of the first 14 games, Jrue missed 6 out of the first 8, and we had other guys out. Maybe Cousins takes some of those minutes but if you play Cousins over Giannis with no Jrue and Midds, you are basically waving a white flag.

ETA: Giannis has player over 38 minutes once (Loss to Wizards). Running someone to the ground is Siakam averaging 38 minutes or old man Lebron with 10 games over 40 minutes. The sample size you use where you only count close games over a short period of time still is only 35 minutes a game.

[Baddy Chuck]

I don't agree with them not having another big but this is a lot of hyperbole. Giannis sat out like 12 games and is only playing 32.5 min a game.

He sat out one game before we signed Boogie. We signed Boogie and he sits out 7 of the next 12 after playing 38 minutes the night before. First two months in games that weren't decided by 20+ points (15 games) he averaged 35 minutes a game, pushing over 35 minutes 7 times. In 10 games the month Boogie was here he played over 35 minutes twice. The month between Boogie and Moose (12 games) the 35+ minute games was 6. I really don't believe it's hyperbole at all.

I'll have to go back, but I'm willing to bet Giannis played a lot more minutes with Jrue and Khris out. Midds missed 8 of the first 14 games, Jrue missed 6 out of the first 8, and we had other guys out. Maybe Cousins takes some of those minutes but if you play Cousins over Giannis with no Jrue and Midds, you are basically waving a white flag.

I mean it's simple math to me. You have 96 minutes a game at PF/C. I'd say in the regular season ideally you have like 60-65 a game with Bobby and Giannis. With Brook out you're missing a ton of minutes that are coming back on the shoulders of them and you're only paying a guy to fill some of those minutes when you feel like it. Khris/Pat only go so far. Semi is a permanent CD-DNP. It's dumb. Really dumb.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I mean it's simple math to me. You have 96 minutes a game at PF/C. I'd say in the regular season ideally you have like 60-65 a game with Bobby and Giannis. With Brook out you're missing a ton of minutes that are coming back on the shoulders of them and you're only paying a guy to fill some of those minutes when you feel like it. Khris/Pat only go so far. Semi is a permanent CD-DNP. It's dumb. Really dumb.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202110250IND.html
Like in the game above, ok Giannis probably doesnt play as many minutes at C. But then he will just take more Nwora and Hoods minutes. He is going to play 35 minutes plus either way. We were missing a lot of Jrue, Midds, Bobby, etc early on and you can't just take Giannis off the court and replace him with Boogie.

I agree we shouldve signed a big earlier, but I think the bigger issue is Giannis was shouldering a load while the others are injured. Now that we are healthy, Giannis is coasting at ~32 minutes a game. I just took an exception to you saying we were running him to the ground when he has played comparably low minutes to other stars/big men.

[coolhandluke121]

I'm not a Schroder hater by any means, but I can't remember a single game where both Hill and Jrue were healthy and I still would have liked him to be a Buck. Not selling low on DDV for him, that's for damn sure, because I think there's a better chance of DDV bouncing back and being a good playoff player this year than there is of Schroder being good in the playoffs.

I honestly think a Pat trade makes more sense. He's the UFA and he's the type of role player who's often only an asset at peak ages of 27-29. DDV is an RFA who should get low-balled even more than most RFA's on the market, and despite his struggles this year, his previous season was still probably better than any season any of the Bucks' other non-Khris wings have had since Wes was a Maverick. Allen's current season is close though.

[Shaffty]

Ask yourselves why the Celtics would want to get rid of their 5th highest minutes guy while they've won 7 of their last 8 and are still in the running for a Top-4 seed. They either want an overpay for Schroder, or there's some behind the scenes stuff going on (Schroder has a history with wanting his touches/usage).

Cause they wanna duck the tax

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They would have to then essentially dump him to some team with cap space while getting a minimum guy back (presumably with a draft pick attached). So that takes us out of the running anyways (DDV doesn't work with his salary).

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[crkone]

I mean it's simple math to me. You have 96 minutes a game at PF/C. I'd say in the regular season ideally you have like 60-65 a game with Bobby and Giannis. With Brook out you're missing a ton of minutes that are coming back on the shoulders of them and you're only paying a guy to fill some of those minutes when you feel like it. Khris/Pat only go so far. Semi is a permanent CD-DNP. It's dumb. Really dumb.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202110250IND.html
Like in the game above, ok Giannis probably doesnt play as many minutes at C. But then he will just take more Nwora and Hoods minutes. He is going to play 35 minutes plus either way. We were missing a lot of Jrue, Midds, Bobby, etc early on and you can't just take Giannis off the court and replace him with Boogie.

I agree we shouldve signed a big earlier, but I think the bigger issue is Giannis was shouldering a load while the others are injured. Now that we are healthy, Giannis is coasting at ~32 minutes a game. I just took an exception to you saying we were running him to the ground when he has played comparably low minutes to other stars/big men.

Relatedly, looking at strictly minutes per game, the Bucks don't have anyone in the top 50. The first one is Jrue at #64 in players who've played 20 or more games. For total minutes played, Giannis is tops on the team at (strangely) #64. Bucks though do need more out of their bench since they are 22nd in the league in raw +/- (-1.2).

[Ron Swanson]

Cause they wanna duck the tax

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They would have to then essentially dump him to some team with cap space while getting a minimum guy back (presumably with a draft pick attached). So that takes us out of the running anyways (DDV doesn't work with his salary).

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They're $2.7 mil over the tax. That doesn't get them under.

[SirChurros]

No thanks to Schroder. I liked what he did in his second year in OKC, but he's been a big meh since for me.

[Shaffty]

They would have to then essentially dump him to some team with cap space while getting a minimum guy back (presumably with a draft pick attached). So that takes us out of the running anyways (DDV doesn't work with his salary).

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They're $2.7 mil over the tax. That doesn't get them under.

Hood is 1.7 not 2.2 so it puts them 300k away and when jaylen doesnt get all star they slide under it

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[crkone]

One of the redeeming things about Schroder is he'd be 3rd on the team in getting to the line. And even he isn't that good at it.

[crkone]

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They're $2.7 mil over the tax. That doesn't get them under.

Hood is 1.7 not 2.2 so it puts them 300k away and when jaylen doesnt get all star they slide under it

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Yeah the reason for the difference is the league wants vets signed so their salary is only counted at a 2 year vet rate.

[StickeeFingaz]

Matt Moore, KOC, and Jackie Mac all linking the Bucks and Schroder.

[aboveAverage]

I want no part of Schroeder if it means Hood or DDV is given up. If Horst can do it without giving those two up, then sure. Don’t really like Schroeder, but he can score.

[aboveAverage]

I don’t see Hill being traded. They brought him back a second time for a reason. Doesn’t he have one of the highest plus minuses on the team, despite being old and not that spry anymore? He must be doing a lot right on the court to have that kind of impact.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Schroeder is probably a great fit but hard guy to root for. I'll get over it though in the finals.

[rilamann]

If we're going to make a trade with Boston, we should be trying to get Marcus Smart.