Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Darvin Returns

[bdpecore]

Always thought that being in a win now mode any trade you make especially if its midds you would want a return thats equal or better than midds value.
That trade fu... sucks again midds isnt going anywhere its brook portis and etc the big 3 will stay

Yup, Middleton will retire a Buck unless there's a deal for a star.

I don't know why anyone would want Middleton to retire as a Buck, unless it's on some kind of minimum contract deal four years from now.

He's going to be 33 years old when next season starts. He's got one more year left and before he opts out, which he absolutely will do as it's probably his last chance at a significant contract. I certainly wouldn't want to be the team that gives him $40 million per year in his mid-30s. Would you?

Knowing that, why wouldn't you explore all trade possibilities?

Considering he took a discount on his last extension, I think he'll be looking for one last payday to send him off into retirement. My guess is his next contract will be in the 3yr/$80-90MM range which is still a bargain when you consider Nic Claxton is likely to get a 4yr/$100 deal this offseason. Khris is currently the 42nd highest paid player, right below CJ McCollum ($33MM). Here's a list of some of the players making more than him and slightly less than him:

Lavine ($43MM)
VanVleet (42.8MM)
Simmons (40.3MM)
Garland ($36.7MM)
Porter Jr ($35.8MM)
Bane and Ayton ($34MM)
McCollum (33.3MM)
Grant ($29.7MM)
Poole ($29.6MM)
Porzingis ($29.2MM)
Herro ($29MM)


Randle ($28.9MM)

[raferfenix]

I wonder what scenarios the Warriors really decide to not cash in on CP3’s cash savings.

Jimmy Butler? Paul George? Ingram? We talked about Middleton some already. And even if they let Klay walk it’s a lot of money in the 2nd apron repeater tax era.

Brook Lopez’s big expiring contract next year could also be viewed as kicking the can down the road just a bit on the cap relief.

Bobby’s paid way less and they could let him walk after his player option in theory but more likely it’d be longer term.

[EasyE31]

Bucks in - Ayo Dosumno and Cole Anthony

Magic in - Brook Lopez

Bulls in - Jon Isaac, future Orl 1st

He doesn’t really fit our main needs, but I am admittedly kinda intrigued by Cole Anthony. Feel like Orlando is giving up too much here though.


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Keep Isaac out of it and Chicago still takes this, IMO. Would hope for better assets out of Brook, but this would solidify our backcourt if you think Ayo can start next to Dame. He's a pretty tenacious defender boasting a 6'10" wingspan, and he shot much better from range last year, with some shot creation ability to boot. Anthony is polarizing, but he can get buckets off the bench.

I'd rather just take Isaac (or WCJ) and Anthony right from the Magic. Keep the Bulls out of it entirely.

[bdpecore]

Just a little tidbit i read:for anyone saying the bucks are so old

The average age of the Milwaukee Bucks' starting five is 31.4 years old.

The average age of the Boston Celtics starting five in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals (with 37-year-old Al Horford) was 30.4.

Understand thats with horford starting but with KP it dropped to 30 7 just saying doesnt seem like a huge difference between the champs and us

We have a 29 year old who will turn 30 in December, a 32, 33 and 37 year old. We also don't know who our 5th starter is so I'm not sure how you landed on 31.4.

I believe he was referring to the 2023-24 starting lineup. Also Brook just turned 36 in April.

[Ron Swanson]

I see the Knicks now rumored to be interested in PG if/when he picks up his option and requests a trade, but who/what are they giving up for him that LA would actually want? Pretty much has to be some combo of Robinson/Hart plus Bojan's partially guaranteed salary. George's trade market might be a lot colder than people realize.

[fansinceforever]

Just a little tidbit i read:for anyone saying the bucks are so old

The average age of the Milwaukee Bucks' starting five is 31.4 years old.

The average age of the Boston Celtics starting five in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals (with 37-year-old Al Horford) was 30.4.

Understand thats with horford starting but with KP it dropped to 30 7 just saying doesnt seem like a huge difference between the champs and us

We have a 29 year old who will turn 30 in December, a 32, 33 and 37 year old. We also don't know who our 5th starter is so I'm not sure how you landed on 31.4.

I believe he was referring to the 2023-24 starting lineup. Also Brook just turned 36 in April.

Fair but I don't think anybody would conclude the Bucks and Celtics are in a similar spot in terms of age of their core players.

[bdpecore]

Read on Twitter

Mr God of D wheres jrue hes so overated

How did that go for DJJ in the Finals? Anyway, this isn't the only important component of defending.

Yes, Jrue blew it versus Jimmy Butler last year... but he's a phenomenal defender. Not overrated. Look at the way the Bucks defense fell apart after the trade.

*Yeah, they also had the incompetence to run Beasley next to Lillard all season... While expecting a solid defense.

I'll give horst a pass on the Dame, Beasley backcourt last season as the Dame trade came together late in the offseason. Obviously Beasley was added to be our microwave bench scorer behind Grayson and Jrue.

[EasyE31]

If Horst wants to take a BIG swing this works based on salaries:

Bucks in: Mikal Bridges
Nets in: Cole Anthony, Wendell Carter, Bucks 23 1st, Bucks 2031 1st
Magic in: Brook Lopez

[Daver]

Yup, Middleton will retire a Buck unless there's a deal for a star.

I don't know why anyone would want Middleton to retire as a Buck, unless it's on some kind of minimum contract deal four years from now.

He's going to be 33 years old when next season starts. He's got one more year left and before he opts out, which he absolutely will do as it's probably his last chance at a significant contract. I certainly wouldn't want to be the team that gives him $40 million per year in his mid-30s. Would you?

Knowing that, why wouldn't you explore all trade possibilities?

Considering he took a discount on his last extension, I think he'll be looking for one last payday to send him off into retirement. My guess is his next contract will be in the 3yr/$80-90MM range which is still a bargain when you consider Nic Claxton is likely to get a 4yr/$100 deal this offseason. Khris is currently the 42nd highest paid player, right below CJ McCollum ($33MM). Here's a list of some of the players making more than him and slightly less than him:

Lavine ($43MM)
VanVleet (42.8MM)
Simmons (40.3MM)
Garland ($36.7MM)
Porter Jr ($35.8MM)
Bane and Ayton ($34MM)
McCollum (33.3MM)
Grant ($29.7MM)
Poole ($29.6MM)
Porzingis ($29.2MM)
Herro ($29MM)


Randle ($28.9MM)

I never said i didnt want midds traded what i have always said is that they wont trade him for a non -star deal.They acquired dame to have a big 3 a big 3 when they played together were #1 in O effeciency.This big 3 eith the right tinkering around the edges and if healthy can very easily be tbe best team in basketball 49 wins with the big 3 playing only 13 games together.Already we have heard dame being in the best shspe of his life come TC midds being 100% come TC doc already salivating at hsving these 3 for all of TC n preseason.This year will be way different thsn last.
Unless the bucks are absolutely blown away by another team for midds they wont disrupt the chemistry that midds n giannis have by bringing in lesser talent

[emunney]

I still think Pat for Thybulle as a framework feels like a likely outcome. Pat makes about 1.6m less than Thybulle, so we'd have to add a player, which wouldn't have to be aggregated as Pat for Thybulle works as an even up trade and Portland could take an additional player in on a trade exception. Any small contract we have (incl. Livingston or AJJ) would work, although my gut says Pat and MarJon is the formula.

[ShootingtheJ]

Pacers get: Patty C, #33
Bucks get: Jalen Smith, #49, #50

Bucks save $4 million. I'd use #49 on anyone who falls, and #50 on Comche if he'll sign a 2 year 2 way. Jalen Smith fits the idea of a more versatile defender. I'm assuming Brook gets traded.

[rayallenscalves]

I still think Pat for Thybulle as a framework feels like a likely outcome. Pat makes about 1.6m less than Thybulle, so we'd have to add a player, which wouldn't have to be aggregated as Pat for Thybulle works as an even up trade and Portland could take an additional player in on a trade exception. Any small contract we have (incl. Livingston or AJJ) would work, although my gut says Pat and MarJon is the formula.

I'd be down, but feels like Thybulle's history with Doc makes this kind of deal highly unlikely.

[JEIS]

I wouldn't be surprised if we try to swing a Bridges and Claxton sign and trade with the Nets. Get us more defense and younger.

[machu46]

I see the Knicks now rumored to be interested in PG if/when he picks up his option and requests a trade, but who/what are they giving up for him that LA would actually want? Pretty much has to be some combo of Robinson/Hart plus Bojan's partially guaranteed salary. George's trade market might be a lot colder than people realize.

I think if it's an opt-in-and-trade scenario, the return will be pretty minimal, similar to what we saw with the Harden trade. Something like Randle + Bogdanovic (and pick/s) works I believe.

[emunney]

I still think Pat for Thybulle as a framework feels like a likely outcome. Pat makes about 1.6m less than Thybulle, so we'd have to add a player, which wouldn't have to be aggregated as Pat for Thybulle works as an even up trade and Portland could take an additional player in on a trade exception. Any small contract we have (incl. Livingston or AJJ) would work, although my gut says Pat and MarJon is the formula.

I'd be down, but feels like Thybulle's history with Doc makes this kind of deal highly unlikely.

Yeah, I don't know if that makes it more or less likely, don't really know enough about it. I know the bird's eye version, where he coached Thybulle to 2nd team all-defense twice and then basically benched him for PJ the next year.

[Profound23]

I wouldn't be surprised if we try to swing a Bridges and Claxton sign and trade with the Nets. Get us more defense and younger.

How would that work? If it were possible to trade Lopez/Middleton and bring back Bridges/Claxton I would assume we would do that immediately.

Don't think it's possible.

[Ron Swanson]

Gonna be a crazy week of rumors here leading up to the draft and then July 1st, but I'm not really expecting anything big unless you count a Bobby trade as a significant move. Guessing a lot of people are gonna be disappointed.

[ShootingtheJ]

I wouldn't be surprised if we try to swing a Bridges and Claxton sign and trade with the Nets. Get us more defense and younger.

How would that work? If it were possible to trade Lopez/Middleton and bring back Bridges/Claxton I would assume we would do that immediately.

Don't think it's possible.

Super difficult because a sign and trade hards caps teams at the 1st apron.

[LuessiT]

If we figure out how to turn Brook and Bobby into Stewart and Dort I’d be pretty happy.

[humanrefutation]

With the Kings shopping #13, I wonder if there's some sort of framework that has us sending Bobby to Sac and then sending #13 and #23 somewhere (or keeping them altogether).