Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[MickeyDavis]

It's all deals that have already been agreed upon.

Our issue is we don't know exactly what our cap sheet looks like until a Micic buyout is negotiated.

I thought the buyout was already negotiated when they traded for him.

I think thats correct or the Turner signing wouldn't have been possible.

Everything that has been agreed upon can't become official until Sunday at 11:01 a.m. CDT. That doesn't mean there will be a flurry of activity right after but once deals start to become official there will be more movement. Including the Micic buyout.

[raferfenix]

Horst lives in darkness.

Turner and Dame deals show the extent to which he moves in the dead of night.

These leaks about other teams upping the price on Rollins and the Bucks pursuing Ayton / CP3 very well might be agent posturing alone.

[emunney]

Rather have Rollins than Melton. Just get the kid signed already.

Both would be fine. They can both defend 3 positions.

[Daver]

Chris Paul averaged less dribbles per touch last season than Ryan Rollins.

That will be lost on the rollins man crushes on this board

[Daver]

I personally don’t see Paul or Westbrook as an answer at PG. Rollins fits better…spend $ elsewhere. If Giannis is going to play more point…needs may be less…feels like one more significant add will still happen…and likely not an over the hill type

Paul even at 42 isnt over tbe hill played all 82 gsmes last year .mmmm whst younger thsn 42 year old player on the bucks can say that.Still gets you 14/7 every game 37% from 3

[Daver]

[quote="raferfenix"]Horst lives in darkness.

Turner and Dame deals show the extent to which he moves in the dead of night.

These leaks about other teams upping the price on Rollins and the Bucks pursuing Ayton / CP3 very well might be agent posturing alone.[/quote


What type of pisturing can their be with paul minimum vet is minimum vet from any team.Either stays close to home or comes to the bucks to start tberes realky nothing inbetween

[soxperry]

I'm worried we've jerked around Rollins too much. First we delayed on converting to a guaranteed full minimum, while he was held out of games. In response he didn't sign the 2-yr minimum like Green. Then we pull the QO/rescind RFA rights. Now he's on the open market & will choose us?

I think if he's being practical he should choose us because we offer a good opportunity & invested in his development we want to get something out of. Also, we have Early Bird Rights, so we could match any realistic offer. Just a matter if we would, or value vets like CP3 more.

i'm not worried about someone else signing Rollins away from us. i think we hold the cards on that.

between the idea of making the Turner deal a sign and trade to access MLE and BAE and examining other PG options, i'm guessing he's waiting on us. If he wanted to sign somewhere else he would have.

[higharc]

Paul could be fine if he accepts a role leading the Giannis-less minutes. This accomplishes 2 things:
- moving the scoreboard while Giannis rests. As long as CP3 creates a high quality shot for him or others it balances his regression at defense. Most of these minutes will be against second teams anyway. He is able to do at least that.
- getting KPJ more reps with the first team instead of staggering him with Giannis. We need this if this is our go to playoff rotation.

If Paul insists on starting of course it is a problem.

Also, sign Rollins as well. We need him for injury insurance if any of them misses a game. Now we only have Sears.

[Matches Malone]

It's possible Rollins feels jaded by all the moves that have his signing delayed, but it's also possible he's okay with the Bucks making their moves and was tipped ahead of time. Milwaukee gave him a 2nd chance after being waived and all of his shop-lifting drama, so maybe he gives Milwaukee the upper hand in these negotiations and is willing to show some patience with them. I'll be pretty bummed if they go another/older direction and not bring Rollins back.

[MVP2110]

It's possible Rollins feels jaded by all the moves that have his signing delayed, but it's also possible he's okay with the Bucks making their moves and was tipped ahead of time. Milwaukee gave him a 2nd chance after being waived and all of his shop-lifting drama, so maybe he gives Milwaukee the upper hand in these negotiations and is willing to show some patience with them. I'll be pretty bummed if they go another/older direction and not bring Rollins back.

One of the few things Doc did right last year was give Rollins an opportunity and develop him. Hopefully that gives us an edge compared to other teams

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

It's possible Rollins feels jaded by all the moves that have his signing delayed, but it's also possible he's okay with the Bucks making their moves and was tipped ahead of time. Milwaukee gave him a 2nd chance after being waived and all of his shop-lifting drama, so maybe he gives Milwaukee the upper hand in these negotiations and is willing to show some patience with them. I'll be pretty bummed if they go another/older direction and not bring Rollins back.

I think it's also possible that the league doesn't value Rollins. I get "bobby came back on a hometown discount" vibe when we talk about why Rollins hasn't signed elsewhere.

Im totally fine bringing him back or letting him go. I do foresee if we let him go, he will be a rotational contributor three years from now after bouncing around a bit and us getting pissed Horst let him go for nothing

[M-C-G]

It's possible Rollins feels jaded by all the moves that have his signing delayed, but it's also possible he's okay with the Bucks making their moves and was tipped ahead of time. Milwaukee gave him a 2nd chance after being waived and all of his shop-lifting drama, so maybe he gives Milwaukee the upper hand in these negotiations and is willing to show some patience with them. I'll be pretty bummed if they go another/older direction and not bring Rollins back.

Also possible we have a deal in place and they are just waiting for some things to unfold before it gets done

[BUCKnation]

Paul pounding the ball to set up others isn’t quite the same as pounding the ball going for “Dame time”, Giannis really hasn’t played with a real point guard almost his entire career and I think the team would benefit from his mentorship and obviously it would be really short term. Main thing is this team can’t become dumber, raising the IQ is imperative

I hate to overreact to 1 min of play but does the end of game 5 happen with Paul? That’s what i keep coming back too

[raferfenix]

What type of pisturing can their be with paul minimum vet is minimum vet from any team.Either stays close to home or comes to the bucks to start tberes realky nothing inbetween

Negotiating for a starting position would be the posturing. Fair point about the dollars.

Also the Bucks very well might be serious about CP3!

I just don’t think Horst is the leak.

Not like it benefited the Bucks to have the play by play with Jae Crowder negotiations out there either.

Seems like the team has been keeping especially tight lips these days is my point.

[pifhluk23]

I think Rollins can be a solid player, he’s a player I was planning on having back but I’m not really sure how I would feel depending on him. It would be really cool for him and other players to be mentored by a guy like CP3, I don’t see why it’s either or.

Because our coach is Doc Rivers and will play CP3 30mpg for 82 games and then continue that into the playoffs where he gets absolutely torched every possession. We shouldn't spend the whole regular season relying on CP3 and then get to the playoffs and can't play him anymore, good luck KPJ/Rollins hope you got enough reps...

If we had a different coach who played him 18mpg or 28mpg but only 50 games then I'd be on board. As is idk how anyone could want the above situation.

[Daver]

What type of pisturing can their be with paul minimum vet is minimum vet from any team.Either stays close to home or comes to the bucks to start tberes realky nothing inbetween

Negotiating for a starting position would be the posturing. Fair point about the dollars.

Also the Bucks very well might be serious about CP3!

I just don’t think Horst is the leak.

Not like it benefited the Bucks to have the play by play with Jae Crowder negotiations out there either.

Seems like the team has been keeping especially tight lips these days is my point.

From what i read he was already promised the starting gig at point.Thats why hez evdn considering us along with west coast clips n suns

[paulpressey25]

Paul had a bit of a rejuvenation season last year. 82 games. His lineups with Wemby were really good.

We need some dude who can run an offense when Giannis is not on the court (or out for a night or two). I’d be fine with Paul.

[Daver]

KPJ’s per 36 with the Bucks:

21.2 Points
7.1 Rebounds
6.7 Assists
2.3 Steals
50/41/87 shooting splits


Tell you what thats starting pg material right there

[paulpressey25]

He's far from ideal but Kuzma and AJax for DeRozan and Keon Ellis is probably the best, realistic deal that can be made without an outgoing first..

I don’t see the Kings doing this. They give up the two best players.

But this would be a helpful deal for Milwaukee. DeRozan can provide scoring when Giannis is out and Ellis is an athletic wildcard who can defend wings like a mofo when he’s motivated.

[soxperry]

KPJ’s per 36 with the Bucks:

21.2 Points
7.1 Rebounds
6.7 Assists
2.3 Steals
50/41/87 shooting splits


Tell you what thats starting pg material right there

No other guard in the league hit 21/7/6 per 36