PGT: Blazers at Bucks

[Sigra]

It's early, but I'm a little concerned. EVERY single one of our off season transactions (Gooden, Maggette, Dooling, Brockman, Boykins, Salmons ext) look really bad right now. I'm really hoping everything gets back on track.

Indeed. I am big Hammond supporter but all of his moves this summer looks like tragedy. Maggette, Gooden, Salmons, Dooling, Sanders, 2nd round picks. Tragedy.

I know for many examples of people who were hungry for success and were great until they got success. But then they stoped working hard, played it safe and sucked from there. Hammond got his Executive of the year award. Maybe it ruined him. It looks like he now play safe and I don't like it.

[coolhandluke121]

Hammond basically did the exact opposite of what made him so successful last year. I think that speaks for itself when people criticize his moves. No more defense of my position is needed than to make that observation.

ETA: My team would have been Jennings/Delfino/LRMAM/Ersan/Bogut and a bunch of one-year contracts and rookies. See how the young guys develop, if they are in the playoff picture trade Redd, Gadz etc for more help, if not tank and get a top 7 pick with a sh*t-ton of cap space in 2011.

[unklchuk]

ETA: My team would have been Jennings/Delfino/LRMAM/Ersan/Bogut and a bunch of one-year contracts and rookies. See how the young guys develop, if they are in the playoff picture trade Redd, Gadz etc for more help, if not tank and get a top 7 pick with a sh*t-ton of cap space in 2011.

Valid path, but (as has been said before) I don't think Herb Kohl wanted anything except Win Now.

Maybe in a year or so we'll know why.

[paul]

LOL the "I told you so's" are coming thick and fast 4 games in, wonder if the same people doing it now bagged hell out of Sigra when he made a thread saying that 6 games into last season?

[SupremeHustle]

LOL the "I told you so's" are coming thick and fast 4 games in, wonder if the same people doing it now bagged hell out of Sigra when he made a thread saying that 6 games into last season?

I'm two games away from becoming a Bulls fan.

[paul]

LOL the "I told you so's" are coming thick and fast 4 games in, wonder if the same people doing it now bagged hell out of Sigra when he made a thread saying that 6 games into last season?

I'm two games away from becoming a Bulls fan.

You'll be back....

[midranger]

LOL the "I told you so's" are coming thick and fast 4 games in, wonder if the same people doing it now bagged hell out of Sigra when he made a thread saying that 6 games into last season?

I'm two games away from becoming a Bulls fan.

Seriously though, each of those moves (Salmons, Maggette, Gooden) were viewed with great consternation by large segments of this board. Most people liked the smaller deals (CDR, Brockman). The draft was a mixed bag.

I think everything will be okay once we find each big acquisition his suitable role. For Gooden, I think that's probably 15 minute backup center. Yes, his deal then becomes Gadz bad, but at least he's not killing us for quarters at a time. Play Larry next to him to protect the weakside.

For Maggette, I think it needs to be the first 6 minutes of each quarter. Bring in the battering ram to get us to the bonus (while still shooting FTs, as most of the fouls he seems to draw are in the act), then let the smart(er) players exploit the situationby pressuring the defense.

[crkone]

LOL the "I told you so's" are coming thick and fast 4 games in, wonder if the same people doing it now bagged hell out of Sigra when he made a thread saying that 6 games into last season?

I'm two games away from becoming a Bulls fan.

Seriously though, each of those moves (Salmons, Maggette, Gooden) were viewed with great consternation by large segments of this board. Most people liked the smaller deals (CDR, Brockman). The draft was a mixed bag.

I think everything will be okay once we find each big acquisition his suitable role. For Gooden, I think that's probably 15 minute backup center. Yes, his deal then becomes Gadz bad, but at least he's not killing us for quarters at a time. Play Larry next to him to protect the weakside.

For Maggette, I think it needs to be the first 6 minutes of each quarter. Bring in the battering ram to get us to the bonus (while still shooting FTs, as most of the fouls he seems to draw are in the act), then let the smart(er) players exploit the situationby pressuring the defense.

And open shooters need to make their shots.

[InsideOut]

While it is extremely early, I think we are seeing the most predictable outcome of Hammond's moves. I mean when was the last time Maggette or Gooden took teams to the next level? When was the last time Salmons signed an extension then took his game to the next level? When was the last time guys like Dooling, Brockman and Boykins were key pieces that could be counted on?

Based on the history of these guys (especially the older ones) they are doing pretty much exactly what they have always done for their teams. I like Skiles as much as the next guy but to think he was going to get more out of these guys than what they have historically shown was wishful thinking. These older guy have never been the most coachable guys in the league and Skiles doesn't have the greatest history of working with older selfish vets.

The good news is that it is early and we have time for guys to come together and get into shape, but right now the most predictable outcome of Hammond's moves is on display. The bad news is that with the deals these 3 are signed too, if they don't get it together we could be seeing a repeat of this for years to come. Of course their is the chance Hammond pulls on of his crap for RJ then RJ for crap trades that gives everyone hope again.

[crkone]

While it is extremely early, I think we are seeing the most predictable outcome of Hammond's moves. I mean when was the last time Maggette or Gooden took teams to the next level? When was the last time Salmons signed an extension then took his game to the next level? When was the last time guys like Dooling, Brockman and Boykins were key pieces that could be counted on?

Based on the history of these guys (especially the older ones) they are doing pretty much exactly what they have always done for their teams. I like Skiles as much as the next guy but to think he was going to get more out of these guys than what they have historically shown was wishful thinking. These older guy have never been the most coachable guys in the league and Skiles doesn't have the greatest history of working with older selfish vets.

The good news is that it is early and we have time for guys to come together and get into shape, but right now the most predictable outcome of Hammond's moves is on display. The bad news is that with the deals these 3 are signed too, if they don't get it together we could be seeing a repeat of this for years to come. Of course their is the chance Hammond pulls on of his crap for RJ then RJ for crap trades that gives everyone hope again.

Or these guys need to stop shooting below their career averages and we will win. They have not been playing up to their past at all.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

although its been mentioned, i think the lack of a viable backup center and pg has been BY FAR our biggest issue so far. we have started several of these games really well only to see the wheels fall completely off after our first battery of subsitutions.
ball movement, getting hammered on the glass, and interior defensive woes would all seem to be vastly improved if we hadnt ignored the 2 most important positions in our acquisition of "depth" this offseason.

[Little Digger]

Every season of Maggette's career, his team plays better when he's on the bench. I don't know what his +/- numbers look like so far this season, but if he's not already among the worst +/- players on the bucks roster, he soon will be.

[Little Digger]

I found your team +/- stats for the season so far..

http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus ... team=Bucks

[Fight the Tank]

While it is extremely early, I think we are seeing the most predictable outcome of Hammond's moves. I mean when was the last time Maggette or Gooden took teams to the next level? When was the last time Salmons signed an extension then took his game to the next level? When was the last time guys like Dooling, Brockman and Boykins were key pieces that could be counted on?

Based on the history of these guys (especially the older ones) they are doing pretty much exactly what they have always done for their teams. I like Skiles as much as the next guy but to think he was going to get more out of these guys than what they have historically shown was wishful thinking. These older guy have never been the most coachable guys in the league and Skiles doesn't have the greatest history of working with older selfish vets.

The good news is that it is early and we have time for guys to come together and get into shape, but right now the most predictable outcome of Hammond's moves is on display. The bad news is that with the deals these 3 are signed too, if they don't get it together we could be seeing a repeat of this for years to come. Of course their is the chance Hammond pulls on of his crap for RJ then RJ for crap trades that gives everyone hope again.

Or these guys need to stop shooting below their career averages and we will win. They have not been playing up to their past at all.

Salmons will probably shoot 26 percent this year.

It only took four games for the negativos to crawl out of their caves.

[InsideOut]

While it is extremely early, I think we are seeing the most predictable outcome of Hammond's moves. I mean when was the last time Maggette or Gooden took teams to the next level? When was the last time Salmons signed an extension then took his game to the next level? When was the last time guys like Dooling, Brockman and Boykins were key pieces that could be counted on?

Based on the history of these guys (especially the older ones) they are doing pretty much exactly what they have always done for their teams. I like Skiles as much as the next guy but to think he was going to get more out of these guys than what they have historically shown was wishful thinking. These older guy have never been the most coachable guys in the league and Skiles doesn't have the greatest history of working with older selfish vets.

The good news is that it is early and we have time for guys to come together and get into shape, but right now the most predictable outcome of Hammond's moves is on display. The bad news is that with the deals these 3 are signed too, if they don't get it together we could be seeing a repeat of this for years to come. Of course their is the chance Hammond pulls on of his crap for RJ then RJ for crap trades that gives everyone hope again.

Or these guys need to stop shooting below their career averages and we will win. They have not been playing up to their past at all.

Against NO both Maggette and Gooden shot 50% and we still lost. Against Min they were two made shots from shooting 50% but we lost by 11 so who cares. The 3rd game we won so who cares. Against Portland they needed several makes to get to 50% but then again we lost by 14. Granted, Salmons sucks and he is killing us but then again we don't know if it's the injury or him going into his usual I just signed a contract funk. I don't know. The point is we added guys that have don't have much of a history of making teams winners so should be shocked if they don't make us 50 game winners?

[unklchuk]

Man, it gripes me when people use the past to predict the future - grips me when they seem to be right. Maggette's -32 seems to fit that.

Oh well... now that he's a Buck everything will change (as soon as Bogut finds our lost chemistry).

[Fight the Tank]

The funny thing is everyone thought our defense would suffer with these additions yet it we can't score and our defense has given us a chance to win every game.. I might give it a few more games to see if Skiles can get his rotations right.

[InsideOut]

While it is extremely early, I think we are seeing the most predictable outcome of Hammond's moves. I mean when was the last time Maggette or Gooden took teams to the next level? When was the last time Salmons signed an extension then took his game to the next level? When was the last time guys like Dooling, Brockman and Boykins were key pieces that could be counted on?

Based on the history of these guys (especially the older ones) they are doing pretty much exactly what they have always done for their teams. I like Skiles as much as the next guy but to think he was going to get more out of these guys than what they have historically shown was wishful thinking. These older guy have never been the most coachable guys in the league and Skiles doesn't have the greatest history of working with older selfish vets.

The good news is that it is early and we have time for guys to come together and get into shape, but right now the most predictable outcome of Hammond's moves is on display. The bad news is that with the deals these 3 are signed too, if they don't get it together we could be seeing a repeat of this for years to come. Of course their is the chance Hammond pulls on of his crap for RJ then RJ for crap trades that gives everyone hope again.

Or these guys need to stop shooting below their career averages and we will win. They have not been playing up to their past at all.

Salmons will probably shoot 26 percent this year.

It only took four games for the negativos to crawl out of their caves.

YAWN...nothing of substance as usual. Just crying like a baby because someone make an honest analyses that doesn't contain unicorns or rainbows. I have an idea for you. If you don't like posters that give honest analysis then put them on ignore. That way you'll stop taking up space with your constant running to the teacher and whining how Jimmy used a bad word at recess.

[LUKE23]

Our D has been decent, but nothing special. We're 12th right now in D (28th in O).

[jerrod]

YAWN...nothing of substance as usual. Just crying like a baby because someone make an honest analyses that doesn't contain unicorns or rainbows. I have an idea for you. If you don't like posters that give honest analysis then put them on ignore. That way you'll stop taking up space with your constant running to the teacher and whining how Jimmy used a bad word at recess.

nicely phrased