Bucks talking Asik

[whatthe_buck!?]

The Rockets didn't get the 5m cap figure this past offseason. It's always been 8.3 for them.

That is so weird to me. What a horrible, horrible rule. It basically means the team trying to retain their own player is the only one affected negatively by a poison pill contract. That's (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

Edit: oh and thank u along with wooderson for setting me strait

[bizarro]

If you think Henson is a center, it's a waste of an Asset holding on to both him & Larry. Henson is already a solid passer, with a good post-game and is still developing his mid-range jumper. He & Larry/Asik can play together.

It is not a waste of an asset to hold onto both. They can play at different times during the game. And, heck, given certain lineups, they can even play together for short periods of time. However, holding onto both with Asik is a mistake...It's a waste of resources and a poor roster construction.

Henson has an improving jumper, yes. BUT, Henson is not even remotely a stretch 4 and he can't hit his jumper effectively enough to cause concern in an opponent. It's not even debatable. And, Henson doesn't have enough redeeming offensive skills away from the basket to provide the necessary spacing in a successful offense with Sanders on the floor. Look at the models working in the NBA right now. It simply does not work. Why on Earth would you want to put those two down low together.

I want you to provide us with statistical backing and rationale. Because, I guarantee you we can give you heaps of data that will demonstrate otherwise and I find it hard to believe you'll find much of anything.

AND, of course, you're entitled to your opinion.

[Badgerlander]

this trade would be bag night revisit worthy. "Our offense sucks balls...hey lets improve our Defense and unbalance the roster at Center!" Brilliant!

[EastSideBucksFan]

How did I miss this thread?

Been a crazy day.

Not happy about this at all.

Shaking my damn head at the Bucks front office.

Billboard is needed now more than ever.

Omer Asik ain't putting butts in the seats and ain't putting us in the playoffs this year.

[whatthe_buck!?]

How do u justify including Wolters though?? We're dealing with Morway here, that isn't a huge gigantic red flag to u? If Wolters is removed from the trade I'm basically near your attitude about the trade. Sh*t offer to take back a different salary filler guy and then offer knight instead of Wolters if he wolf-in-sheeps-clothing a*s is claiming to need a point guard and if Morway says no way tell him to go eat fresh goat sh*t.

I'd justify by saying that I think you can get a much better prospect(s) then Wolters out of an Asik trade then you could with Ersan. If giving up Wolters to Houston was the only way to get Asik to flip to OKC for say Jeremy Lamb I'd be all for it.

Look, u could well be right, I'll simply say I couldn't disagree more for the reasons ive already stated and lets leave it at that.

[whatthe_buck!?]

How do u justify including Wolters though?? We're dealing with Morway here, that isn't a huge gigantic red flag to u? If Wolters is removed from the trade I'm basically near your attitude about the trade. Sh*t offer to take back a different salary filler guy and then offer knight instead of Wolters if he wolf-in-sheeps-clothing a*s is claiming to need a point guard and if Morway says no way tell him to go eat fresh goat sh*t.

I'd justify by saying that I think you can get a much better prospect(s) then Wolters out of an Asik trade then you could with Ersan. If giving up Wolters to Houston was the only way to get Asik to flip to OKC for say Jeremy Lamb I'd be all for it.

If that kind of value is out there for Asik, Houston would just make that deal instead.

I wish I could and 1 this post 20 times.

[ampd]

its going to be so hard for this organization to avoid a win now trade for short term gain, even when they are objectively the worst team in the league.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

**** this organization.

[averageposter]

Squad 6, then renamed Sector 7....How many times can we trade its namesake.

[Baddy Chuck]

If that kind of value is out there for Asik, Houston would just make that deal instead.

I wish I could and 1 this post 20 times.

Really don't see how say Perkins/Lamb would be much, if any, more value then Ersan/Udoh/Wolters.

[Nate Rocks]

If they trade Nate I will be seriously bummed. While the Bucks franchise may not be anywhere near a championship, this is where Nate will get the most opportunity to develop his game. Houston has 3 point guards that play and Nate won't see time there. The only way he will is if they have another trade in mind for either him or one of their other PG's.

I personally think Milwaukee would be crazy to get rid of him. He may not be a future all-star, but he will be a solid player and a solid citizen and he can be a stop gap guy until the roster is put into place with the core you need. They have already proven you can't win by constantly turning over rosters. You want to keep a young core together and given Nate's Midwest upbringing and his location to home, I picture him being willing to resign in 3 years. If that is a drawing card in get Giannis and next years draft pick to resign wouldn't he be worth keeping for that reason alone? There is no shortage of players that want nothing to do with Milwaukee, why would you dump the one that might?

He also is showing signs of being a leader....seriously, what rookie calls out his teammates for being lazy and not giving effort? You already have leaders like Caron who after one game coming off the bench makes comments like, "see that didn't work". Or Sanders who picks bar fights? Mayo who completely disappears and is completely disinterested? Udoh who can play 15 minutes and not record a single stat?

What about game time effort? In reading through game threads, Nate and Middleton are the only two names I haven't read as to being completely disengaged at one point or another during games.....that even includes Giannis. You are going to get rid of one of the few guys who bring it every night. All right end of rant......f**k this FO.

[DanoMac]

Holy **** this just sent me thru the roof

[whatthe_buck!?]

There is a reason why I posted this. If it gets to the level of me actually posting it there have been more than just "hey are you interested in doing this" convo's going on. My thought is the same process as "save our Bucks". Hopefully the backlash ends the idiocy of this regime. Personally I dont care for the NBA and have zero vested interest in the Bucks outside of comp'd gifts from colleagues or the team.

I posted this for RealGM to do what it does. Cause **** uproar on 4th street.

Wichmae using Realgm bucks board to its full potential=doing it right.

[EastSideBucksFan]

There is a reason why I posted this. If it gets to the level of me actually posting it there have been more than just "hey are you interested in doing this" convo's going on. My thought is the same process as "save our Bucks". Hopefully the backlash ends the idiocy of this regime. Personally I dont care for the NBA and have zero vested interest in the Bucks outside of comp'd gifts from colleagues or the team.

I posted this for RealGM to do what it does. Cause **** uproar on 4th street.

I've been around long enough to know you know what's up. Thank you for the information.

Anyone else that doesn't, wichmae has called a few things before.

If you don't want to believe him, at least be respectful enough to not attack or belittle him for posting this.

[DanoMac]

If anyone has still has Hammond's #...let's go to work gentlemen.

I'm about to snap

[whatthe_buck!?]

If that kind of value is out there for Asik, Houston would just make that deal instead.

I wish I could and 1 this post 20 times.

Really don't see how say Perkins/Lamb would be much, if any, more value then Ersan/Udoh/Wolters.

Im not sure how that relates to Drugbusts post much at all. In fact he didnt say anything about perkins and lamb, youre defintely missing his point. But I also don't mind explaining why there is a HUGE value difference.

One, the Rockets would only get 1 player who could contribute to wins in the Okc trade instead of 3. Number two, Wolters, Udoh and Ersan all have great positive value individually whereas Perkins is a HUGE negative as a player and as a cap killer plus Lamb only has value to a team that has time to develop him and -not insignificantly because he's proven nothing yet- that believes in him. Inotherwords that's a terrible trade package to a team like the rockets who are as all in on win now as a team could possibly be.

On the extreme other hand, the bucks trade package had it all; cap relief in Udoh (not to mention he's a serviceable backup big), a excellent starter in Ersan for winning now (and great team player on a contender with other scoring options as he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective), and a legitimately exciting young point guard prospect in Wolters who already has flashed real NBA skills (good size, good ballhadling, and great court-vision/passing). It's a package that does everything for u and would literally be attractive to every single team in the entire league.

Lamb and Perkins? That trade package is attractive to maybe 5-8 other teams in the league at most. So in addition to all the other reasons the Nate-Ers-Udoh package, that's yet another. Why? Because the more interested buyers in a market=more options to drive up value= greater value.

[Baddy Chuck]

One, the Rockets would only get 1 player who could contribute to wins in the Okc trade instead of 3. Number two, Wolters, Udoh and Ersan all have great positive value individually whereas Perkins is a HUGE negative as a player and as a cap killer plus Lamb only has value to a team that has time to develop him and -not insignificantly because he's proven nothing yet- that believes in him. Inotherwords that's a terrible trade package to a team like the rockets who are as all in on win now as a team could possibly be.

On the extreme other hand, the bucks trade package had it all; cap relief in Udoh (not to mention he's a serviceable backup big), a excellent starter in Ersan for winning now (and great team player on a contender with other scoring options as he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective), and a legitimately exciting young point guard prospect in Wolters who already has flashed real NBA skills (good size, good ballhadling, and great court-vision/passing). It's a package that does everything for u and would literally be attractive to every single team in the entire league.

You do realize that DB is saying that if Houston could get Lamb they would take him instead of our package because it is more value correct? You are literally making the exact opposite argument that he was. You're the one completely missing his point. He's saying that Lamb is worth more then our package and Houston would just cut us out completely if that type of deal was offered, I'm saying they're similar but Houston would likely prefer the "win now" package, you are saying ours is worth more.

[HurricaneKid]

Frankly, I think the deal is about as fair as any we could possibly hope for out of Morey. The problem is the personnel just makes no sense at all.

We get a blue collar guy from the midwest in the second round who has shown he can be a solid contributor at a position of need. Lets dump him to get a third C??

Asik is far better than Ers but what team in NBA history has ever had its three best players all play the same position without any possibility of playing together. I mean if you want twin towers out there you at least need a skilled passer like Marc Gasol or the like.

That said, Asik was a top 20 RAPM player last year and his defensive metrics are tremendous (>Sanders). Even if they trade Larry for pennies on the dollar you still have a Henson/Asik front court that doesn't make any sense.

[Badgerlander]

posted this yesterday but its worth repeating

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/ ... -chad-ford

Ben (WI)
Do you think there's any truth to the rumors that the Bucks could be interested in Asik?

Chad Ford (1:15 PM)
Hope that's not true. They need to be as bad as humanly possible. It's the only way they're guaranteed to get a true star in Milwaukee. And if they could just land one elite player in the draft, I'd actually like this team a bit. They have some nice young pieces. They just don't have that go to guy.

[Chapter29]

Let the flame war begin....

Ersan, Udoh, and Wolters for Ronnie Brewer and Asik. Cant go down til the 15th and has to be two separate deals if Nate is included.

Sorry, I decline.

I am not a big Asik fan to begin with and not willing to part with Wolters to get him.

And that doesn't even bring into account tanking.

Better get that billboard up soon.