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breakchains wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20140521/nba-mock-draft-cavaliers-andrew-wiggins-joel-embiid-jabari-parker/
Mannix mock - Embiid #2
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El Duderino wrote:JayMKE wrote:theFireBlanket wrote:
Oh boy. "The resume, skills and mind". Winning a national high school championship, apparently signifies nothing. Whereas Parker struggled to help his team win at his level, when the tournament rolled around. Both of these players are skilled. The difference is that Parker's skills really only translate on one side of the ball, like Embiid and Wiggins, Exum is a two way player. Mind? Again, Exum has a high basketball IQ.
He's a mystery to you and shills in the national media that consider themselves experts but don't bother examining basketball outside of the NCAA scope. He's not a mystery to the scouts who've watched, apparently including Hammond who will be making this year's selection and he's got him high on his board according to Ford.
The connotation of bust that Exum is more likely to be is the figurative rack that feeds and nourishes this franchise's future success. Deal with it.
Parker has a mature game that has a better chance at translating to the NBA imo, his deficiencies get more scrutiny because he's played more relevant basketball. If Exum had played college ball then those question marks you guys find so inane now would become much more evident. We learned a lot about Parker and Wiggins in their one year of college basketball, people were higher on them as high schoolers it seems. At least that's how it was on this board. Is Exum some defensive phenom or do people like his potential there because of his combination of his size and quickness? Parker has the intagibles to be a fine defender in the NBA, size/athleticism/strength/IQ. Will he put it together? Maybe, maybe not but I think the fact that he has actually played relevant basketball is being held against him when compared to Exum in this regard.
Exum is very likely going to be drafted in the top 3 to 5 in a very deep draft. Do you really think scouts of all of those teams picking in that range aren't going to try picking apart and examining every aspect of his game just as they'll do with Parker, Wiggins, and Embiid? That instead of doing this, they'll just choose him so high on a whim because he's yet to play against college kids and thus those scout won't pick apart his skills as much?
Come on man, NBA scouts and GM's have been having to heavily scout kids overseas for 10-15 years at least. Kids who have been facing all kinds of different competition. This is exactly what scouts and GM's get paid to do. To look at young prospects whether facing college kids or playing overseas, and then having to evaluate just how well they feel those kid's games will translate to the NBA, especially since most of the better talents today tend to only be in that 19-21 year old range.
Exum is being rated so highly not because people who have evaluated him closely didn't pick apart his skills much since he didn't play NCAA basketball, it's because they feel his skills will translate well to the NBA as he matures, just like any major prospect. It's that simple
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JayMKE wrote:El Duderino wrote:JayMKE wrote:
Parker has a mature game that has a better chance at translating to the NBA imo, his deficiencies get more scrutiny because he's played more relevant basketball. If Exum had played college ball then those question marks you guys find so inane now would become much more evident. We learned a lot about Parker and Wiggins in their one year of college basketball, people were higher on them as high schoolers it seems. At least that's how it was on this board. Is Exum some defensive phenom or do people like his potential there because of his combination of his size and quickness? Parker has the intagibles to be a fine defender in the NBA, size/athleticism/strength/IQ. Will he put it together? Maybe, maybe not but I think the fact that he has actually played relevant basketball is being held against him when compared to Exum in this regard.
Exum is very likely going to be drafted in the top 3 to 5 in a very deep draft. Do you really think scouts of all of those teams picking in that range aren't going to try picking apart and examining every aspect of his game just as they'll do with Parker, Wiggins, and Embiid? That instead of doing this, they'll just choose him so high on a whim because he's yet to play against college kids and thus those scout won't pick apart his skills as much?
Come on man, NBA scouts and GM's have been having to heavily scout kids overseas for 10-15 years at least. Kids who have been facing all kinds of different competition. This is exactly what scouts and GM's get paid to do. To look at young prospects whether facing college kids or playing overseas, and then having to evaluate just how well they feel those kid's games will translate to the NBA, especially since most of the better talents today tend to only be in that 19-21 year old range.
Exum is being rated so highly not because people who have evaluated him closely didn't pick apart his skills much since he didn't play NCAA basketball, it's because they feel his skills will translate well to the NBA as he matures, just like any major prospect. It's that simple
NBA scouts and GMs aren't infallible, especially when it comes to overseas prospects and guard prospects are harder to project in general. The lack of competition scares me, Exum is so physically superior to his competition that you have to wonder how his game will translate when he doesn't have that advantage any longer. Usually I'm the type of guy that always goes upside, always goes potential over what they've done but that's because we're usually picking much later and at the top of this I believe we have guys that do have the resume on top of having a ton of upside. Exum is too much of a risk when I know Parker/Wiggins/Embiid are going to be great NBA players.
El Pooch Grande wrote:The Exum love on this board knows no bounds. Perfect example of a mob mentality, "Hey, that Australian Dude looks pretty good, and Parker looks kinda fat, lets go with that skinny Aussie who has already publicy said he sees himself playing for the Lakers someday. Now bring the torches and Pitchforks to Jabari!"
Dude has a 34.5 inch vertical and shoots like Marcus Smart, and most of you on here love him more than Mallory Edens.
We deserve to suck and have him bust if we select him #2...
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El Pooch Grande wrote:The Exum love on this board knows no bounds. Perfect example of a mob mentality, "Hey, that Australian Dude looks pretty good, and Parker looks kinda fat, lets go with that skinny Aussie who has already publicy said he sees himself playing for the Lakers someday. Now bring the torches and Pitchforks to Jabari!"
Dude has a 34.5 inch vertical and shoots like Marcus Smart, and most of you on here love him more than Mallory Edens.
We deserve to suck and have him bust if we select him #2...
JayMKE wrote:I have no idea how anybody could have Exum over Parker. Parker has a resume, he has the skills, and he has the mind. We've seen the top prospects and picked their games apart for a year now, Exum is just the mystery behind door #2. PG of the future, give me a break! That's what you say about about a guy who has to learn to play PG, I don't believe Exum is going to be able to score as easily against NBA players as he is Australian high schoolers. High school competition doesn't tell you squat, high school tape made Sam Dekker look like the second coming of Larry Bird. What do you think he'd look like in the NBA right now?
John Henson wrote:This lady just asked me who I play for and I said the Milwaukee Bucks, she quickly replied “oh the highschool across the street?”
BucksRuleAll22 wrote:Calvin Johnson is horrible and not a top WR.
Madtown wrote:JayMKE wrote:I have no idea how anybody could have Exum over Parker. Parker has a resume, he has the skills, and he has the mind. We've seen the top prospects and picked their games apart for a year now, Exum is just the mystery behind door #2. PG of the future, give me a break! That's what you say about about a guy who has to learn to play PG, I don't believe Exum is going to be able to score as easily against NBA players as he is Australian high schoolers. High school competition doesn't tell you squat, high school tape made Sam Dekker look like the second coming of Larry Bird. What do you think he'd look like in the NBA right now?
Coach K had to take Parker out against Mercer because he could play D. Against Mercer. Mercer.
I'd take him at 4 and be happy. Now that we have two. Hell. No.
