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[GFreak34]

Unless of course its a few years of arguing the guy of your nationality/on your favorite team is a superstar/franchise talent before he proved it, which was the case for Giannis and the Milwaukee Bucks not too long ago.

So, you disagree that Giannis is a franchise generational player? sure i m not objective and so is every single analyst in the US who s not Greek.

He most certainly is. And there most certainly was people arguing he was before he had even showed anything close to what Embiid has shown.

The difference is that Giannis spended 4 straight years improving and being consistent and injure-less in order to solidify him self as such.. Embiid had like 30 games in 3 years, being a part of a roster that had nothing else to show about except him.. Plus, to me it was crystal clear the level of talent that Giannis was, i was debating about it since season 2 when people were arguing that he was another verion of Batum or that Favors was the better prospect.

In any case, to return to the earlier debate, as a Bucks fan i not intimidated - like some of you are with comments like "we re doomed for the next 10 years" - from Philly for 2 reasons. 1. Because Philly doesn't have a player with the scale of talent that Giannis has and 2. Because 2/3 of the Process have been a complete joke a) drafrint MCW, b) drafting Noel, c) drafting Okafor.

Finally as far as assets, the Bucks beyond the fact that have the most talented of players in Giannis, also have the better assets.. Philly doesn't have a Middleton and neither has a Monroe. Every single thing about how great Simmons will be is a speculation.. If he proves him self not to be a bust and he actually stack some quality minutes, then we ll be around to talk about it.. till then i ll go with the proven talent.

[Baddy Chuck]

Finally as far as assets, the Bucks beyond the fact that have the most talented of players in Giannis, also have the better assets.. Philly doesn't have a Middleton and neither has a Monroe. Every single thing about how great Simmons will be is a speculation.. If he proves him self not to be a bust and he actually stack some quality minutes, then we ll be around to talk about it.. till then i ll go with the proven talent.

Assets don't have to be proven to hold value. Simmons as an asset sh*ts on anything the Bucks have sans Giannis. Monroe? **** outta here.

[Magic Giannison]

This is pretty easy for me. If Embiid doesn’t stay healthy, we probably have the edge. If he does somehow manage to stay healthy, their future utterly **** on ours and I don’t think it’s that close.

Because you think that a healthy Embiid is a better talent than Giannis?
If you do, shake your head, have a cold shower and come back.

and it's pretty easy too...

A fully healthy Embiid is pretty clearly a Giannis level talent. Laughing at that just shows massive homerism (Giannis fanboying?)

Throw this on the GB or PC board for unbiased fans and see what you get. Ask them if they were guaranteed full health for Embiid, who they'd take between him and Giannis.

edit: I didn't mean that literally, don't start a **** storm on other boards.

Really? and where exactly Embiid got his talent proven like Giannis did so far? In his dreams or because he is an extremely overhyped twitter guy ?

This notion of Embiid being on Giannis level has far sailed ever since Giannis took it to another level last year after ASB.

It is also the reason why i dislike Sixers fans as they extremely overhype him without having any feat to back it up .
I told you and the rest before, stop with humble portrait, we got the best young player in the NBA that is making history at the age 22 and is 1 year younger than Embiid.

Giannis literally is better than any aspect of the game and even in those limited minutes Embiid wasn't near compared to Giannis whole season and even if Embiid had 8 % more USG than Giannis who is the primary ball handler for the team.


YOu're ok for overhyping Embiid but you go humble mode on Giannis, it makes no sense.

[GFreak34]

This is pretty easy for me. If Embiid doesn’t stay healthy, we probably have the edge. If he does somehow manage to stay healthy, their future utterly **** on ours and I don’t think it’s that close.

Because you think that a healthy Embiid is a better talent than Giannis?
If you do, shake your head, have a cold shower and come back.

and it's pretty easy too...

A fully healthy Embiid is pretty clearly a Giannis level talent. Laughing at that just shows massive homerism (Giannis fanboying?)

Throw this on the GB or PC board for unbiased fans and see what you get. Ask them if they were guaranteed full health for Embiid, who they'd take between him and Giannis.

edit: I didn't mean that literally, don't start a **** storm on other boards.

A fully healthy Embiid is pretty clearly NOT a Giannis level.. Giannis is unique not because he stacks the board.. he s unique because of his versatility, he s unique because he s 7' and play point, he s unique because he s 7' and moves/dribbles/passes like a guard.. he simply is on another level.. Now as i said, Embiid is a beast and probably if healthy could be the best C in the league.. But Giannis is beyond that on many different levels.

[Magic Giannison]

Unless of course its a few years of arguing the guy of your nationality/on your favorite team is a superstar/franchise talent before he proved it, which was the case for Giannis and the Milwaukee Bucks not too long ago.

So, you disagree that Giannis is a franchise generational player? sure i m not objective and so is every single analyst in the US who s not Greek.

He most certainly is. And there most certainly was people arguing he was before he had even showed anything close to what Embiid has shown.

Wasn't Giannis established post ASB ( at for the majority) last year that he is the franchise player ? You really want to compare those games to Embiid even if Giannis played more minutes and games and had lower USG and FGA compared to embiid?

You also forget that Embiid came as more polished guy into the league while Giannis needed more time as he started basketball late which is the reason why It took him until last year to bloom.

[GFreak34]

Finally as far as assets, the Bucks beyond the fact that have the most talented of players in Giannis, also have the better assets.. Philly doesn't have a Middleton and neither has a Monroe. Every single thing about how great Simmons will be is a speculation.. If he proves him self not to be a bust and he actually stack some quality minutes, then we ll be around to talk about it.. till then i ll go with the proven talent.

Assets don't have to be proven to hold value. Simmons as an asset sh*ts on anything the Bucks have sans Giannis. Monroe? **** outta here.

Have you seen Simmons play in the league?? NO.. till you do, stop busting my balls about his value.. For all i care, he could be the new Benett.. Sure, Monroe.. why who s the Back up C on Philly? .. which assets that Philly have has the value that Middleton has right now? And don't start on me with what you think that they ll become, i mean right now.. nobody.. which PG has philly that's better than Brogdon? TJ?? r u kiddin me? what assets? they try to dump okafor for 2 season and nobody even cares to make an offer.. and you re telling about assets?? be real

[Prez]

Because you think that a healthy Embiid is a better talent than Giannis?
If you do, shake your head, have a cold shower and come back.

and it's pretty easy too...

A fully healthy Embiid is pretty clearly a Giannis level talent. Laughing at that just shows massive homerism (Giannis fanboying?)

Throw this on the GB or PC board for unbiased fans and see what you get. Ask them if they were guaranteed full health for Embiid, who they'd take between him and Giannis.

edit: I didn't mean that literally, don't start a **** storm on other boards.

Really? and where exactly Embiid got his talent proven like Giannis did so far? In his dreams or because he is an extremely overhyped twitter guy ?

This notion of Embiid being on Giannis level has far sailed ever since Giannis took it to another level last year after ASB.

It is also the reason why i dislike Sixers fans as they extremely overhype him without having any feat to back it up .
I told you and the rest before, stop with humble portrait, we got the best young player in the NBA that is making history at the age and is 1 year younger than Embiid.

Giannis literally is better than any aspect of the game and even in those limited minutes Embiid wasn't near compared to Giannis whole season and even if Embiid had 8 % more USG than Giannis who is the primary ball handler for the team.


YOu're ok for overhyping Embiid but you go humble mode on Giannis, it makes no sense.

I have literally called Giannis a top 10 player and the #1 asset in the entire league, and regularly defend him on other boards. Stop with this bull**** that I'm against Giannis or something. I'm just not a Giannis fanboy and can acknowledge other talent and other talented teams when I see it.

I'm not even gonna get into this with you, it's utterly pointless trying to talk anything Giannis-related with you. Again, the general consensus is that the only thing stopping Embiid from being a best-in-the-world caliber talent is health. Go ask any unbiased fanbase, on the GB or PC board how close Giannis and Embiid are as talents if you were guaranteed Embiid is healthy.

[Baddy Chuck]

You also forget that Embiid came as more polished guy into the league while Giannis needed more time as he started basketball late which is the reason why It took him until last year to bloom.

We're talking about the same Embiid that was "discovered" at a basketball without borders camp in Africa 6 years ago right?

[Prez]

So, you disagree that Giannis is a franchise generational player? sure i m not objective and so is every single analyst in the US who s not Greek.

He most certainly is. And there most certainly was people arguing he was before he had even showed anything close to what Embiid has shown.

Wasn't Giannis established post ASB ( at for the majority) last year that he is the franchise player ? You really want to compare those games to Embiid even if Giannis played more minutes and games and had lower USG and FGA compared to embiid?

You also forget that Embiid came as more polished guy into the league while Giannis needed more time as he started basketball late which is the reason why It took him until last year to bloom.

Except that Embiid started playing basketball even later than Giannis and was dominating basically like 5 games into his rookie year. Embiid being "more polished" is really just him being possibly the most naturally talented center prospect since Shaq.

[Baddy Chuck]

which assets that Philly have has the value that Middleton has right now? And don't start on me with what you think that they ll become, i mean right now.. nobody..

This is the dumbest comment I've ever seen in a sea of stupid comments. What a player could potentially become is intrinsically tied to his value.

But to answer the question, Simmons, Embiid and Fultz all have more value than Middleton, probably rather significantly.

[GFreak34]

He most certainly is. And there most certainly was people arguing he was before he had even showed anything close to what Embiid has shown.

Wasn't Giannis established post ASB ( at for the majority) last year that he is the franchise player ? You really want to compare those games to Embiid even if Giannis played more minutes and games and had lower USG and FGA compared to embiid?

You also forget that Embiid came as more polished guy into the league while Giannis needed more time as he started basketball late which is the reason why It took him until last year to bloom.

Except that Embiid started playing basketball even later than Giannis and was dominating basically like 5 games into his rookie year. Embiid being "more polished" is really just him being possibly the most naturally talented center prospect since Shaq.

What are you talking about?? Giannis was trying to be a football player.. he started playing Basketball at 12-13 because the coaches couldn't believe their eyes and even though a poor organization they hired his dad and were giving them 500 euros to just to make a living.. Giannis had never touched a basket ball before that time.. and now he is already a top10 player and a-best-in-the-world POTENTIAL player.. no injuries, no nothing.. have you only heard this just from me????? Haven't you been seeing sport-shows all over the world calling him the potential best player in the League? are you kidding me, where did you hear the same comments on Joel?? and as i said, i consider Joel to be a beast and maybe becoming the best C in the league, but get real on the comparisons.. Giannis is on ANOTHER level.. he s only +6% from 3pt away from becoming the ultimate basketball freak this game has ever seen.. 7' point-guard is unheard off.

[blazza18]

Giannis is a phenomenal talent but I'm not sure he could have single handidly turned that Sixers team into a respectable team like Embiid did. Yea it was for only 33 games but the guy had immediate elite star impact the moment he stepped on the court.

[Pachinko_]

Finally as far as assets, the Bucks beyond the fact that have the most talented of players in Giannis, also have the better assets.. Philly doesn't have a Middleton and neither has a Monroe. Every single thing about how great Simmons will be is a speculation.. If he proves him self not to be a bust and he actually stack some quality minutes, then we ll be around to talk about it.. till then i ll go with the proven talent.

Assets don't have to be proven to hold value. Simmons as an asset sh*ts on anything the Bucks have sans Giannis. Monroe? **** outta here.

Have you seen Simmons play in the league?? NO.. till you do, stop busting my balls about his value.. For all i care, he could be the new Benett.. Sure, Monroe.. why who s the Back up C on Philly? .. which assets that Philly have has the value that Middleton has right now? And don't start on me with what you think that they ll become, i mean right now.. nobody.. which PG has philly that's better than Brogdon? TJ?? r u kiddin me? what assets? they try to dump okafor for 2 season and nobody even cares to make an offer.. and you re telling about assets?? be real

nah man, it doesn't go like that
this league bends backwards for players who have not played a minute. If you have a Simmons or a #1, by definition neither of them have played a minute in the league, and yet if you put him on the block watch how many teams will give you Hayward/Butler/PG caliber players. Maybe someone will need to add some change to balance it but that's pretty much the value. Top prospects are this league's currency.

[GFreak34]

which assets that Philly have has the value that Middleton has right now? And don't start on me with what you think that they ll become, i mean right now.. nobody..

This is the dumbest comment I've ever seen in a sea of stupid comments. What a player could potentially become is intrinsically tied to his value.

But to answer the question, Simmons, Embiid and Fultz all have more value than Middleton, probably rather significantly.

No they don't, until the potential and the hype actually proves in the court.. not to mention that Fultz is even now doubted as far as THE POTENTIAL you referring to, BY MANY including Ainge who dumped him because he was NOT convinced after the work-out.

So spare me with you expertise and you assessments on talent.

AGAIN

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[Baddy Chuck]

No they don't, until the potential and the hype actually proves in the court..

Are you seriously trying to **** argue that players don't have value until they play? AGAIN, stupid.

It's the reason a #1 pick like Wiggins can pull an All-NBA player like Love. Arguing otherwise is AGAIN, stupid.

[GFreak34]

Giannis is a phenomenal talent but I'm not sure he could have single handidly turned that Sixers team into a respectable team like Embiid did. Yea it was for only 33 games but the guy had immediate elite star impact the moment he stepped on the court.

Giannis single handidly got the Bucks that ACCORDING to you have worst assets than Philly (that is a hyperbole, just for the fun of it) to the 6th seed in the East.. in any case, what are we talking about, not a single expert even mentions Embiid next to Giannis as far as potential, versatility and value.

[Magic Giannison]

A fully healthy Embiid is pretty clearly a Giannis level talent. Laughing at that just shows massive homerism (Giannis fanboying?)

Throw this on the GB or PC board for unbiased fans and see what you get. Ask them if they were guaranteed full health for Embiid, who they'd take between him and Giannis.

edit: I didn't mean that literally, don't start a **** storm on other boards.

Really? and where exactly Embiid got his talent proven like Giannis did so far? In his dreams or because he is an extremely overhyped twitter guy ?

This notion of Embiid being on Giannis level has far sailed ever since Giannis took it to another level last year after ASB.

It is also the reason why i dislike Sixers fans as they extremely overhype him without having any feat to back it up .
I told you and the rest before, stop with humble portrait, we got the best young player in the NBA that is making history at the age and is 1 year younger than Embiid.

Giannis literally is better than any aspect of the game and even in those limited minutes Embiid wasn't near compared to Giannis whole season and even if Embiid had 8 % more USG than Giannis who is the primary ball handler for the team.


YOu're ok for overhyping Embiid but you go humble mode on Giannis, it makes no sense.

I have literally called Giannis a top 10 player and the #1 asset in the entire league, and regularly defend him on other boards. Stop with this bull**** that I'm against Giannis or something. I'm just not a Giannis fanboy and can acknowledge other talent and other talented teams when I see it.

I'm not even gonna get into this with you, it's utterly pointless trying to talk anything Giannis-related with you. Again, the general consensus is that the only thing stopping Embiid from being a best-in-the-world caliber talent is health. Go ask any unbiased fanbase, on the GB or PC board how close Giannis and Embiid are as talents if you were guaranteed Embiid is healthy.

Just because you defend him about other stuff doesn't mean your opinion about Embiid is right.Nobody said you're against with the over dramatic crap. I asked you to prove me with FEAT where exactly Embiid is near Giannis .

Ahh as isee, resorting to same **** about being fanboy when right now in twitter reddit and majority are saying the exactly same thing, where people are ranking the Bucks roster higher than sixers, heck even Minny.
I never said Embiid isnt talented but there is a huge difference of being talented player and best in the world level as you claim him to be. THERE IS ZERO credibility in that and you base that exactly like most 76ers based it on hype from media and twitter crap which made him extremely popular .


Have you even looked outside RealGM and insidehoops to see how people are talking about Giannis?
YOu literally had Superstars salivating over Giannis, every god damn great player and coach praises him even ESPN was arguing about him being the best player and Embiid wasnt even in the discussion. Zack Lowe with T mac podcast said that he is better than AD,Wiggins,KAT ,EMBIID and is a multiple MVP.
BIll Simmon said this like 10 million times this year along with KD interview where he praises Giannis and how good he is.
Greg popovich had high praises for him and so on.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/search?q=Giannis&sort=top&restrict_sr=on&t=year


Here are the topics about Giannis in the past year in the /r NBA alone and these are 80% made by non Bucks fans, have you ever tried to read em ? Are thos Greek fanboys as well when they hype Giannis more than i am at some point ?

Please, stop with the fake humble BS,its way too obvious.

[Prez]

Wasn't Giannis established post ASB ( at for the majority) last year that he is the franchise player ? You really want to compare those games to Embiid even if Giannis played more minutes and games and had lower USG and FGA compared to embiid?

You also forget that Embiid came as more polished guy into the league while Giannis needed more time as he started basketball late which is the reason why It took him until last year to bloom.

Except that Embiid started playing basketball even later than Giannis and was dominating basically like 5 games into his rookie year. Embiid being "more polished" is really just him being possibly the most naturally talented center prospect since Shaq.

What are you talking about?? Giannis was trying to be a football player.. he started playing Basketball at 12-13 because the coaches couldn't believe their eyes and even though a poor organization they hired his dad and were giving them 500 euros to just to make a living.. Giannis had never touched a basket ball before that time.. and now he is already a top10 player and a-best-in-the-world POTENTIAL player.. no injuries, no nothing.. have you only heard this just from me????? Haven't you been seeing sport-shows all over the world calling him the potential best player in the League? are you kidding me, where did you hear the same comments on Joel?? and as i said, i consider Joel to be a beast and maybe becoming the best C in the league, but get real on the comparisons.. Giannis is on ANOTHER level.. he s only +6% from 3pt away from becoming the ultimate basketball freak this game has ever seen.. 7' point-guard is unheard off.

That's all cool. Embiid started playing organized bball at 16, even later than Giannis, and still dominated basically the moment he stepped on an NBA floor. And again, literally the ONLY reason Embiid isn't mentioned along with Giannis is because of health.

[ZeppelinPage]

Giannis got the Bucks to the 6th seed with Midds out for over half the season, along with a moron at HC. Quite the impact, I'd say.

[GFreak34]

No they don't, until the potential and the hype actually proves in the court..

Are you seriously trying to **** argue that players don't have value until they play? AGAIN, stupid.

It's the reason a #1 pick like Wiggins can pull an All-NBA player like Love. Arguing otherwise is AGAIN, stupid.

I HAVEN'T SAID THAT HAVE NO VALUE, LEARN TO READ.. I SAID THAT HAVE NO VALUE COMPARED TO PLAYERS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVEN.. IS LONZO BETTER THAN STEPH CURRY? NO.. COULD HE BE?? MAYBE? DOES HE HAVE VALUE? YES.. DOES HE HAVE MORE VALUE THAN STEPH? NO.

IS SIMMONS BETTER THAN MIDDLETON? NO.. COULD HE BE? MAYBE?.. DOES HE HAVE VALUE? YES.. DOES HE HAVE MORE VALUE THAN MIDDS? NO.

You CANT compare already proven value with potential value NOT PROVEN EVEN ONCE and conclude that IS BETTER.. THAT IS THE DUMB thing to do.. and this is why YOU CAN'T say the Sixers have BETTER ASSETS than the Bucks.. Their ASSETS HAVE VALUE but if the have less, equal or more value than the assets of the bucks REMAINS TO BE SEEN. And so, STATEMENTS ABOUT what will happen to the Bucks IF don't count as **** UNTIL the IF becomes a FACT.