The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[imithanos]

Is this fair?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaoueskh

[Lippo]

I would probably do it....... not sure CHI would....

[paulpressey25]

Is this fair?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaoueskh

I probably wouldn't do it, but only because I don't have confidence in Lauri as a prospect. But that type of deal? Yes.

[Lippo]

Well he can definitely shoot, maybe he would be our 2nd chance at Dirk....

[JayMKE]

Embiid has way more serious injury concerns and long term red flags than Jabari, Jabari's knee should heal whereas Embiid will likely have to have his minutes watched his entire career & avoid back to backs. Sixers taking a WAY bigger risk than we would be with Jabari, if Embiid doesn't pan out then this whole 'process' charade collapses.

[JayMKE]

it feels like its down to people who don't want to trade jabari now and haters who will trade him for anything

[Chapter29]

Embiid has Olajuwon + type potential. Parker is nowhere near that. Jabari mehhhh what's his best case scenario? Carmelo? Not that that is bad but I just don't see Jabari as a #1 on a championship team.

He's not.

[Chapter29]

it feels like its down to people who don't want to trade jabari now and haters who will trade him for anything

The people who don't want to trade Parker now, me being one of them, simply wont sell so low.

I am fine trading Parker, but not while he's hurt.

[emunney]

Is this fair?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaoueskh

I'd do this so freaking fast. This is steps 1 and 2 to getting a max FA in the summer of '19.

[Chapter29]

Embiid has way more serious injury concerns and long term red flags than Jabari, Jabari's knee should heal whereas Embiid will likely have to have his minutes watched his entire career & avoid back to backs. Sixers taking a WAY bigger risk than we would be with Jabari, if Embiid doesn't pan out then this whole 'process' charade collapses.

Exactly.

Embiid is a better player, but he also has more injury risk concerns as well.

Did they write into the contract enough franchise protection? Probably not. Will we try to follow suit with a creative contract?

[DingleJerry]

I'm waiting to see how this Embiid deal is structured and what kind of protections they were able to write into it. I have no idea what's legal in the NBA rules for that type of thing but if this shows us a way cover our butt their may be a way to come up with a reasonable structure for Jabari. That said, I fully expect 4/80+ fully guaranteed

[LUKE23]

Sixers had a the net rating of a 51 win team with Embiid on the court, that's without Simmons/Fultz. I get he has MASSIVE injury concerns, but he's a max player impact guy for sure when he's on the court moving forward. That's why saying, "this lays the groundwork for Jabari's deal" is dumb. Parker has never touched that.

[emunney]

Sixers had a the net rating of a 51 win team with Embiid on the court, that's without Simmons/Fultz. I get he has MASSIVE injury concerns, but he's a max player impact guy for sure when he's on the court moving forward. That's why saying, "this lays the groundwork for Jabari's deal" is dumb. Parker has never touched that.

You can be a lot worse than that as a player and still be a max player. That's why this does lay the groundwork for Jabari's contract -- he still meets the criteria for the type of player who would get a max deal if not for his injuries, and he's got the injuries. Check and check. The extent to which the criteria are exceeded is far less important but could still be accounted for in other ways without displacing 'the groundwork'.

[coolhandluke121]

Sixers had a the net rating of a 51 win team with Embiid on the court, that's without Simmons/Fultz. I get he has MASSIVE injury concerns, but he's a max player impact guy for sure when he's on the court moving forward. That's why saying, "this lays the groundwork for Jabari's deal" is dumb. Parker has never touched that.

You can be a lot worse than that as a player and still be a max player.

But the teams who sign guys like that to max deals often end up mired in mediocrity. If anyone else wants Jabari for that kind of money, let them have him. Hell, just let every team sign a bunch of third-tier max players and then wait for them to offer you 1st-round picks for taking them off their hands.

If you think getting rid of Henson and Mirza is tough, wait until Jabari is making as much as both of them combined and can hardly even play.

[LedZepp007]

Is this fair?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaoueskh

Wow. JFC


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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

As much as I like Jabari, he is a tier below Giannis and I expect (with the Bucks FO I should have used the word hope) to be paid accordingly. He isn't our Embiid. And that is before his 2nd injury.

Now I would offer him less than $15m for sure and probably only the first 2 years guaranteed.

I don't understand these arguments. He's 10x the player Plumlee is so Jabari should get max out? Giannis signing at $25m has no correlation to any contract we should offer any other player. None.

Of course I will compare any future FA signing or resigning with Giannis' contract. Cause otherwise they will be awful deals and a(nother) sign our FO can't negotiate.
If Jabari was healthy he would ask for Giannis' money and the Bucks would have given it, even if he wouldn't contribute the same as Giannis. He would have the upper hand, cause a team that is looking for a scorer would offer him a max contract and he would push the Bucks for that money.
But NOW he will be coming from a second serious injury. The Bucks have the upper hand and it's up to them to decide.

As I said, I love Jabari, but if he wants more than 15m, I would wait the Bulls to make him an offer and let him go. From one point it's just business.

Maybe I'm reading your comments wrong. Are you saying "Giannis Money" as just another term for 25-30M, or are you saying Giannis money to the actual player? I'm heard people say you "can't" pay player x more than Giannis. They weren't talking about paying the player 25m, they were saying Giannis has to be the highest paid player. That's not reality and you will never get a star next to Giannis if you want him to be the highest paid.

[emunney]

Sixers had a the net rating of a 51 win team with Embiid on the court, that's without Simmons/Fultz. I get he has MASSIVE injury concerns, but he's a max player impact guy for sure when he's on the court moving forward. That's why saying, "this lays the groundwork for Jabari's deal" is dumb. Parker has never touched that.

You can be a lot worse than that as a player and still be a max player.

But the teams who sign guys like that to max deals often end up mired in mediocrity. If anyone else wants Jabari for that kind of money, let them have him. Hell, just let every team sign a bunch of third-tier max players and then wait for them to offer you 1st-round picks for taking them off their hands.

If you think getting rid of Henson and Mirza is tough, wait until Jabari is making as much as both of them combined and can hardly even play.

Yeah, the question of whether it's in any way advantageous to sign Jabari such a contract is a separate discussion, and I agree with you on these points. Signing a guy who is even worth exactly the max to exactly the max does not benefit you.

[humanrefutation]

I look at the Embiid deal as the ceiling for what Jabari would want and the Gary Harris deal as the floor. If I'm the Bucks, I don't offer him the Gary Harris deal, let alone the Embiid contract. Not with that injury risk.

Let him to go RFA next summer and see what happens there. Maybe a team like the Bulls with a fair amount of cap space will try to bring home their hometown son with a massive offer sheet. If so, he can bounce.

Maybe, on the other hand, he'll get nothing and either have to accept much less from us or play out the season on a QO with a bum knee, giving us another year to see how he's doing before having to make a decision. That's fine, too.

Either way, don't negotiate against yourselves if you don't have to.

[JayMKE]

Sixers had a the net rating of a 51 win team with Embiid on the court, that's without Simmons/Fultz. I get he has MASSIVE injury concerns, but he's a max player impact guy for sure when he's on the court moving forward. That's why saying, "this lays the groundwork for Jabari's deal" is dumb. Parker has never touched that.

You're basing this on the 31 games the Embiid has played in like the last 3 years, to say Jabari doesn't deserve to get paid but Embiid does makes zero sense. Think about the crippling effect Embiid never being healthy could have on Philly, far far worse than how Jabari not turning out would mean for us. Jabari should regain his health unless there are red flags we don't know about, Embiid is going to have chronic issues his whole career just like Bogut if he's that lucky. A healthy Jabari is an easy re-sign, his value would exceed his contract and there would be no shortage of takers for a skilled young scorer like him. People scoff at the idea of him just being another Melo as if Melo wasn't one of the biggest stars of the last 15 years, put Jabari's brain in Melo's and I think his career would of been a lot different.

[paulpressey25]

Horst on NBA radio earlier this morning said Jabari could be back as early at late January. Rehab going very well.