3rd Annual Fire Kidd Thread - Volume 2 (Horst Interview pg 14)

[econniption]

This is the conclusion I’ve come to at the halfway point of this season and maybe some people here would consider this obvious: Kidd won’t be fired during the season. The owners will give him another chance while they pin their hopes on Jabari coming back, or on a trade they make, or both. If they don’t advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs, Kidd still might not be fired because he’s still owed $12 million after this season. If they do advance, Kidd definitely won’t be fired because “trust the results.”

[paulpressey25]

This is the conclusion I’ve come to at the halfway point of this season and maybe some people here would consider this obvious: Kidd won’t be fired during the season. The owners will give him another chance while they pin their hopes on Jabari coming back, or on a trade they make, or both. If they don’t advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs, Kidd still might not be fired because he’s still owed $12 million after this season. If they do advance, Kidd definitely won’t be fired because “trust the results.”

One caveat. If they drop to .500 maybe something happens in season.

But yeah, can see a deal or roster move for backup center and Jabari coming back as being what happens here.

That said, you guys with the #FireKidd avatars have really gotten attention this week. It's hard for the team and media partners to interact on Twitter because of it.

[msiris]

Is it a good idea starting a facebook page Fire Kidd Now. I would be happy to start one but I am not as creative as some of posters here are.

[econniption]

This is the conclusion I’ve come to at the halfway point of this season and maybe some people here would consider this obvious: Kidd won’t be fired during the season. The owners will give him another chance while they pin their hopes on Jabari coming back, or on a trade they make, or both. If they don’t advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs, Kidd still might not be fired because he’s still owed $12 million after this season. If they do advance, Kidd definitely won’t be fired because “trust the results.”

One caveat. If they drop to .500 maybe something happens in season.

But yeah, can see a deal or roster move for backup center and Jabari coming back as being what happens here.

That said, you guys with the #FireKidd avatars have really gotten attention this week. It's hard for the team and media partners to interact on Twitter because of it.

Aw man, and I just changed my avatar from the #FireKidd avatar about a week ago because I didn't think it was making any difference. But I did change it to a pic of a frustrated Kidd pinching the bridge of his nose, so hopefully that's also getting the point across.

[Giannisland 34]

I’m looking to make some stickers and t-shirts to give away at games/events. It Won’t be until after I settle in from moving back. Maybe a month or so from now. Hopefully I won’t be to busy and able to make a bunch of games. Put like the fire emoji or some basic fire and then a derp picture of Kidd. (Hockey helmet, scratching his head, etc.) New ones every month or so (picture and color) until he’s gone. Be interesting to see now many different versions are made then and where or how often I see the shirts worn. Things like this can really get the general fan base to be aware and push for this change.

[paulpressey25]

Aw man, and I just changed my avatar from the #FireKidd avatar about a week ago because I didn't think it was making any difference. But I did change it to a pic of a frustrated Kidd pinching the bridge of his nose, so hopefully that's also getting the point across.

Those #FireKidd avatars are taking their toll. Ramie the other day was lamenting that he has a hard time keeping up in discussions with Bucks fans since so many of the same avatar. Sparky talked about them as did Frank/Eric.

The hard part for the team/media is that they don't want to block people because many #fireKidd people are loyal fans and ticket buyers. Yet that avatar now ends up somewhere in literally every twitter interaction.

[Bernman]

Those #FireKidd avatars are taking their toll. Ramie the other day was lamenting that he has a hard time keeping up in discussions with Bucks fans since so many of the same avatar. Sparky talked about them as did Frank/Eric.

The hard part for the team/media is that they don't want to block people because many #fireKidd people are loyal fans and ticket buyers. Yet that avatar now ends up somewhere in literally every twitter interaction.

Us Bucks' fans have a strong game when it comes to changing the ceremonial structure of the organization. Now if we could only prompt them to make actual substantive changes once instead of ones that just pacify the masses temporarily.

[M-C-G]

I honestly don’t think he is back next year and quite certain it could be a mutual decision as long as he gets his money.


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[CountMe3Outs]

From http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/11/14/blogtable-does-a-coach-really-matter/

[quote]
How much difference can a good coach really make? It’s the players, right?

Steve Aschburner: The advanced-stats crews can probably decipher that a coach is worth somewhere between 3.6 and 11.2 victories per season, depending on their weighting of factors such as Xs & Os, offensive/defensive ratio, interpersonal skills and wardrobe. I think it’s more intangible, yet huge. A coach sets a team’s tone, and more important, establishes its edge and demeanor on and off the court. It’s like my old pal Al McGuire used to say, “A team reflects its coach’s personality — my team is obnoxious.” I believe that certain coaches are builders, others are closers, and you’d better have them matched up correctly with the right rosters. Yes, it is a players’ league. Yes, some coaches are accidental winners thanks to the talent around them. But fitting the right coach to the roster, to management and to the market is vital. Relatively rare, too.

Fran Blinebury: You’re kidding, right? There really is more to it than unlocking the doors to the gym and rolling the balls onto the court. Philosophy, system, organization, motivation. Ask anyone who every played for, oh, Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich, Pat Riley, John Wooden. If anyone could do it, I’d be firing wisecracks at Craig Sager during timeouts like Pop did instead of typing answers.

Jeff Caplan: I think a lot. Look at Rick Carlisle in Dallas, for example. So much of coaching is relating to players, running schemes that put them in position to succeed and allowing them to be who they are. Coaches who figure this out are very successful with different personnel groups. I think Rick Adelman is another. Look how he kept Houston competitive through all those Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady injuries and what he’s done with the banged-up Timberwolves.

Scott Howard-Cooper: Coaches make a difference, more than a lot of people realize. Sometimes it has to do with Xs and Os, sometimes it has to do with communication and motivation. Bad coaches can squeeze the life out of a locker room and fail to get players to execute. Good, or great coaches, can make the difference between a lottery team and a playoff team or even a playoff team and a championship team. It’s not just a roll-the-balls-out world.

John Schuhmann: It depends on the situation, because some teams need more coaching than others. Ultimately, talent is more important, but a coach can make the most of whatever talent is on the roster. Tom Thibodeau, with how he’s kept the Bulls afloat without Derrick Rose, is a clear example of how important coaching can be. But there are also certain kinds of players — a point guard like Jason Kidd in his prime or a defensive anchor like Kevin Garnett — that can make the same kind of impact on the floor.

Sekou Smith: A decent coach can make a huge difference, depending on the talent on his roster. But it’s not necessarily about a “good” coach but more about the “right” coach. We all know Doug Collins was and is a good coach. He just wasn’t the right coach for those Chicago teams that Phil Jackson led to six titles. Good coaching is one thing. Great coaching is another.[/quote]

[KidA24]

I'm going to put together a write-up on the sliding expectations and transactions that were made since by the Milwaukee Bucks franchise since Jason Kidd has come on board. I'm off next week so I'll have some time.

[BUCKnation]

His utter lack of playing any youth is ridiculous, I wont get into the "were young" bs that we are all aware of, but Thon only got game time out of necessity, Brogdon as well. It would be different if it looked like someone like Vaughn or Wilson looked like they improved, but they havent. No idea why Vaughn is suddenly out of the rotation and Brown should definitely getting more playing time.

Delly is such a hot or cold player that you can usually know within a few minutes whether or not he is going to be useful. Brown did Delly better than Delly did last night and got rewarded with 9 min.

[paulpressey25]

Getting this bumped to the top of the page for everyone's convenience about an hour from now.

[ReginaldDwight]

Getting this bumped to the top of the page for everyone's convenience about an hour from now.

Sticky it maybe dont you get sick of bumping it at half every game.

[Bernman]

I think it's going to take dipping to .500 or below to pull the trigger because these guys are too invested in him, short-sighted, and superficial-minded when it comes to basketball. We should be 22-21 after next game. Then we get the return against Miami. Hopefully we can somehow pull out a loss at home in that one, and then playing at Philly would finish us off. Otherwise he gets a reprieve at home v. Phoenix and Brooklyn. Why can't we be consistently bad for a stretch instead of experiencing up and down mediocrity? It's the curse of the Bucks.

[0BobLobLaw0]

We should start some sort of a thread or a poll to every game thread.

Today's would be:

Would Miami trade Eric Spolstra for Jason Kidd?

Are there more than 5 teams out there that would swap coaches?

[VooDoo7]

Aw man, and I just changed my avatar from the #FireKidd avatar about a week ago because I didn't think it was making any difference. But I did change it to a pic of a frustrated Kidd pinching the bridge of his nose, so hopefully that's also getting the point across.

Those #FireKidd avatars are taking their toll. Ramie the other day was lamenting that he has a hard time keeping up in discussions with Bucks fans since so many of the same avatar. Sparky talked about them as did Frank/Eric.

The hard part for the team/media is that they don't want to block people because many #fireKidd people are loyal fans and ticket buyers. Yet that avatar now ends up somewhere in literally every twitter interaction.

I truly wonder how locked in the owners are to the fans on social media, though. And if they do hear rumblings, do they even care?

[Jez2983]

We should start some sort of a thread or a poll to every game thread.

Today's would be:

Would Miami trade Eric Spolstra for Jason Kidd?

Are there more than 5 teams out there that would swap coaches?

Teams often blame the coach for all their issues. There's also quite a few average NBA coaches.

So I think there is more than 5, but not ones we'd want.

[bucksfansince88]

Wes, Marc, Dinan if you’re reading this, it’s not too late to right the wrong and fire this coaching staff. Jabari coming off 2 ACLs won’t fix any of our issues! We have no team identity, no offensive system or fluidity! Your coach constantly blames losses on his players lack of energy and effort, ironically that is him indicting himself because having a team prepared is one of his key roles as the head coach of this team! Watching this team play often leaves me irrationally angered and disgusted! I was a season ticket holder for the past 4 seasons decided not to renew this year for several reasons mainly incompetent coaching and you putting out a consistently inconsistent product! You guys are Billionaires I’m sure that you’re familiar with the sunken cost fallacy!

[trwi7]

Would Miami trade Eric Spolstra for Jason Kidd?

No. Because Pat Riley isn't a moron. Remember though, our owners felt the need to go above the GM and hire this dumb **** as our coach and traded two picks to make it happen.

Kidd is an idiot but the owners are somehow worse in going above the GM and trading assets for said idiot.

[econniption]

Wes, Marc, Dinan if you’re reading this, it’s not too late to right the wrong and fire this coaching staff. Jabari coming off 2 ACLs won’t fix any of our issues! We have no team identity, no offensive system or fluidity! Your coach constantly blames losses on his players lack of energy and effort, ironically that is him indicting himself because having a team prepared is one of his key roles as the head coach of this team! Watching this team play often leaves me irrationally angered and disgusted! I was a season ticket holder for the past 4 seasons decided not to renew this year for several reasons mainly incompetent coaching and you putting out a consistently inconsistent product! You guys are Billionaires I’m sure that you’re familiar with the sunken cost fallacy!

The Milwaukee Bucks: "Own the Sunk Cost Fallacy!"