Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Nwora in protocols

[BigO]

Good discussion. My take:

1) Most important reason for defensive problems is missing two elite defenders.
2) Missing Tucker is absolutely a factor. Miami is number one in defense, because they have three really good defenders now in Butler, Lowry and Tucker. That's three mentally tough payers. It's questionable whether the Bucks can make up losing Tucker with adding points.
3) The Bucks don't have elite shooters. They will shoot better than they are, but losing Forbes and not having Portis to start with takes away two very good shooters (I know Forbes other limitations).
4) Even without Lopez and Holiday, there is no way a team should give up as many good shots as they are. The Bucks are 24th in defense. That's on the coach.

[Licensed to Il]

All this missing Tucker talk is goofy. So is the Hill angst.

We're 3-2 missing 3 starters and our key reserve is just back.

Giannis/Middleton/Lopez/Jrue/Allen/Portis/Pat are a fantastic 7. Add DDV (hopefully). Hill as a 9th guy (not starter as he is now). Anything you get from Semi and Hood is gravy. We're better than last season.

We are a fanbase struggling to come to terms with the development that the regular season now has the relevance of a preseason.

[raferfenix]

Missing Tucker is absolutely a factor. Miami is number one in defense, because they have three really good defenders now in Butler, Lowry and Tucker. That's three mentally tough payers. It's questionable whether the Bucks can make up losing Tucker with adding points.

Maybe PJ gets hurt and can’t be relied upon in the playoffs. He is old!

However the Tucker we had down the stretch last year is definitely a guy who would help us against the best teams when it counts most.

The question is whether that player will exist still months from now much less late next season.

[slos]

Not worried about losing PJ. He will be even more cooked by the time the playoffs begin. But we desperately need healthy Donte till then because Hill might be done sooner than later.

Jrue (40)/DDV (8)
Allen (28)/DDV (20)
Midds (40)/Pat (8)
Giannis (40)/Pat (8)
Brook (28)/Bobby (20)

I feel comfortable with this 8 man rotation in the playoffs. And then you have Hill to soak minutes or Nwora if he beats him for the 9th spot. My guess is that Horst will pull a move by the deadline to help this team even more. We are good.

[MickeyDavis]

All this missing Tucker talk is goofy. So is the Hill angst.

We're 3-2 missing 3 starters and our key reserve is just back.

Giannis/Middleton/Lopez/Jrue/Allen/Portis/Pat are a fantastic 7. Add DDV (hopefully). Hill as a 9th guy (not starter as he is now). Anything you get from Semi and Hood is gravy. We're better than last season.

We are a fanbase struggling to come to terms with the development that the regular season now has the relevance of a preseason.

I forgot to include Nwora. Oops.

Giannis/Middleton/Lopez/Jrue/Portis/Allen/Nwora/Pat/DDV/Hill. That's 10! Very deep. We're 3-2 instead of 5-0 because we've been missing a big chunk of those guys. If we're missing a big chunk again in April we're in trouble, as will any team be missing so many players.

[midranger]

My thought is that if we get anything out of DDV it’ll be pure gravy. No expectations that he’ll be a productive rotation guy this year.

[paulpressey25]

My thought is that if we get anything out of DDV it’ll be pure gravy. No expectations that he’ll be a productive rotation guy this year.

“The Bucks fully expect TJ Ford to be resuming basketball activities soon”

[GoldenAntlers]

If we had to rely on Tucker during the regular season there's no guarantee he would even be available for the playoffs. I'm not making many conclusions about this team until the top 8 or 9 players are actually active and playing together. We're missing our options #3-7 or 8 depending on where you place Pat/Grayson/Bobby.

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[skones]

Anyone talking about missing PJ Tucker during the actual regular season is concussed. He was absolutely worthless during the regular season last year. Acting like this team is "missing him" 5 games in is bonkers.

He plays thankless basketball. That basketball is largely unnecessary during regular season play.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

All this missing Tucker talk is goofy. So is the Hill angst.

We're 3-2 missing 3 starters and our key reserve is just back.

Giannis/Middleton/Lopez/Jrue/Allen/Portis/Pat are a fantastic 7. Add DDV (hopefully). Hill as a 9th guy (not starter as he is now). Anything you get from Semi and Hood is gravy. We're better than last season.

We are a fanbase struggling to come to terms with the development that the regular season now has the relevance of a preseason.

were not missing tucker and hill has been fine and obviously ddv, portis, jrue, and lopez are huge holes.

right now we, bud, the front office..... nobody can judge this team with those holes. thats where we are.

but the idea this squad has the banked capital that they can regular season coast and then turn it on in the playoffs just because thats what seasoned championship caliber teams have been able to do in the past with some limited examples of success with dynasty caliber teams?

yeah no way. thats bull. im not down with this reg season is all just preseason talk. thats some jabari talk right there

[theFireBlanket]

It's early, with Jrue & Brook each out...

Two of the top WS performers along with Khris & Giannis during the playoffs. Particularly defensively. PJ's role will be filled. Too many dudes with motive to potentially eat up that spot.

This is Giannis' team, PJ was here for the ride.

[ShootingtheJ]

All this missing Tucker talk is goofy. So is the Hill angst.

We're 3-2 missing 3 starters and our key reserve is just back.

Giannis/Middleton/Lopez/Jrue/Allen/Portis/Pat are a fantastic 7. Add DDV (hopefully). Hill as a 9th guy (not starter as he is now). Anything you get from Semi and Hood is gravy. We're better than last season.

We are a fanbase struggling to come to terms with the development that the regular season now has the relevance of a preseason.

were not missing tucker and hill has been fine and obviously ddv, portis, jrue, and lopez are huge holes.

right now we, bud, the front office..... nobody can judge this team with those holes. thats where we are.

but the idea this squad has the banked capital that they can regular season coast and then turn it on in the playoffs just because thats what seasoned championship caliber teams have been able to do in the past with some limited examples of success with dynasty caliber teams?

yeah no way. thats bull. im not down with this reg season is all just preseason talk. thats some jabari talk right there

I agree with this. The guys that play need to work to get better. I think that's happening, except for the end of bench guys, who won't ever be top G League guys.

Could you imagine last year's team playing without Jrue, Brook, Donte, and Bobby?

[giannis and 1]

Not worried about losing PJ. He will be even more cooked by the time the playoffs begin. But we desperately need healthy Donte till then because Hill might be done sooner than later.

Jrue (40)/DDV (8)
Allen (28)/DDV (20)
Midds (40)/Pat (8)
Giannis (40)/Pat (8)
Brook (28)/Bobby (20)

I feel comfortable with this 8 man rotation in the playoffs. And then you have Hill to soak minutes or Nwora if he beats him for the 9th spot. My guess is that Horst will pull a move by the deadline to help this team even more. We are good.

I wouldn't be surprised by a trade for another big like Muscala for a 2nd. And/or picking up another player during the buyout period.

[giannis and 1]

All this missing Tucker talk is goofy. So is the Hill angst.

We're 3-2 missing 3 starters and our key reserve is just back.

Giannis/Middleton/Lopez/Jrue/Allen/Portis/Pat are a fantastic 7. Add DDV (hopefully). Hill as a 9th guy (not starter as he is now). Anything you get from Semi and Hood is gravy. We're better than last season.

We are a fanbase struggling to come to terms with the development that the regular season now has the relevance of a preseason.

I forgot to include Nwora. Oops.

Giannis/Middleton/Lopez/Jrue/Portis/Allen/Nwora/Pat/DDV/Hill. That's 10! Very deep. We're 3-2 instead of 5-0 because we've been missing a big chunk of those guys. If we're missing a big chunk again in April we're in trouble, as will any team be missing so many players.

Tell me one NBA team that has a group of 10 guys this deep. I'll wait. Add then we have Hood, Semi, and possibly another addition or two via trade or buyout

There is no need to be worried.

[giannis and 1]

First-World problem of playing with a Top 25 player of all-time... "Woe is me of being too wide-open".

But I've actually thought about this over the last couple years. Maybe it is my bias of wanting Giannis to get credit for useless stats. but it seems like we have a disproportionate amount of missed wiiiiiiide-open 3s.

It's been painful, but I have no idea how the Bucks actually compare to other teams. I just go with the Basketball Gods know how unfair the Bucks would be if they hit those shots, so they level the playing field a bit.

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So far this year according to tracking data, we're taking the 4th most wide open 3s/game and making the 4th lowest % of them.

Frustrating to say the least. Feels like its been like this for the last 3-4 years.

[giannis and 1]

PJ Tucker accomplished far less than many of you think, apparently.

Yet far more than statistics indicate. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

[ShootingtheJ]

Good discussion. My take:

1) Most important reason for defensive problems is missing two elite defenders.
2) Missing Tucker is absolutely a factor. Miami is number one in defense, because they have three really good defenders now in Butler, Lowry and Tucker. That's three mentally tough payers. It's questionable whether the Bucks can make up losing Tucker with adding points.
3) The Bucks don't have elite shooters. They will shoot better than they are, but losing Forbes and not having Portis to start with takes away two very good shooters (I know Forbes other limitations).
4) Even without Lopez and Holiday, there is no way a team should give up as many good shots as they are. The Bucks are 24th in defense. That's on the coach.

Shocked that this guy is once again falling in love with a 1 scheme defensive team because of a high regular season ranking, and crapping on the Bucks while they experiment defensively, and completely ignores the lineups were playing. Broken Record Syndrome.

Lowery is so mentally tough that it only took him 6 years to get over being a complete playoff choker. So impressive. Maybe he can give Jimmy advice how to get over last year's choke job.

[JayMKE]

Another rim protector would be nice

[emunney]

My take on Tucker is same as it's been since he walked: he was one of 7 guys who won us a title and we should have kept him.

[ShootingtheJ]

Another rim protector would be nice

Trick is, most rim protectors are 1 scheme defenders, and I don't want to get too reliant on the drop scheme.

I could be talked into a more versatile player, like Harry Giles.

However, ownership is going to continue to penny pinch.