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Post#141 » by tedbrogen » Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:29 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:Bolden looks like he could step in & make an impact.


GA loves him. Pretty sure he got his two way spot based solely on GA liking Bolden for one on one drills.

He was pretty highly touted coming out of high school, he was just one of those guys that got on Coach K’s bad side and couldn’t get consistent playing time in college. His third and final season he only got 19 mpg which is funny because that was the Zion year and Cam Reddish was force fed 30 mpg while posting horrifically bad efficiency numbers.

He definitely flashed ability when he did play. Just struggled against five out offenses and then ended up on a team with really bad offensive spacing his junior season (Zion, Barrett, Reddish were not respected from three) so they often played without a true center. Also, Coach K had a bad habit of treating regular season games like tournament games.

He’s very mobile for a guy his size.
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Post#142 » by tedbrogen » Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:31 pm

RiotPunch wrote:Giannis seemed much more focused on finding his teammates. There were still moments where he was calling for the ball when he should have been screening for Dame, but it is improving.

I still think Griff is a moron, but he has made the obvious corrections to his initial game plan. Dame is basically an offensive coordinator out there. Let him initiate 8 times out of 10.


I would really like to know if it was Griff or Dame that finally got them to start having shooters in the corners more.
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Re: PG Charlotte - Solid Win 

Post#143 » by buckboy » Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:31 pm

Jackson getting 7 minutes last night is a crime.

Other than that, no complaints.

Other than that court. JFC.
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Post#144 » by tedbrogen » Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:36 pm

TroyD92 wrote:I don’t even know how to find these stats, but feels like Dairy Bird has been pretty bad in real rotational minutes. Lights up scrubs though


He’s a guy you want shooting when he’s in there. It’s his only above average skill and it’s way above average, so you need to leverage it.

Like you should have him out there with Dame and GA and have him back screen and pop for GA on a Spain PnR. Let the opponent choose between a GA dunk or a Dairy Bird open three.
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Post#145 » by Matches Malone » Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:41 pm

I'm all for giving Dairy Bird some rotation minutes. The guy walks around with a flame thrower and his defense isn't any worse than what we've seen from Beasley.
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Post#146 » by tedbrogen » Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:41 pm

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TroyD92 wrote:I don’t even know how to find these stats, but feels like Dairy Bird has been pretty bad in real rotational minutes. Lights up scrubs though


His career 3p% average for us coming completely cold off the bench is 42%. That is simply insane. He is an elite shooter on a Giannis and Dame team. That makes him 5 times more valuable that he is already. Watch how Beasley feasts so far for us.

If he was playing for the Celtics he would have been another of those random white guys they keep finding, like Prichard and Hauser, who are never seem to miss when they play and they effortlessly spread the floor for Tatum and Brown.


Exactly. He’s basically Duncan Robinson. The Heat used Duncan Robinson as a rotational player on two trips to the finals. There are ways to play elite shooters even if they offer almost nothing else.

I’d basically use him and Beas as a two headed shooting machine off the bench. Dedicate a certain number of mpg for their dual role (25 or so) and whichever one is hot, plays more. If they are both hot or one is on an extreme heater, steal some minutes from other role players to keep that guy in the court. If they are both cold or getting smoked badly on D, sit ‘em.
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Re: PG Charlotte - Solid Win 

Post#147 » by tedbrogen » Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:44 pm

buckboy wrote:Jackson getting 7 minutes last night is a crime.

Other than that, no complaints.

Other than that court. JFC.


I do think some of it was that it was evident the Hornets couldn’t stop the Bucks once they got rolling offensively in the 2nd, so going more offense was the easiest path to a comfortable win. And Beas was on another heater.

But yeah, gotta feed him more minutes.
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Post#148 » by buckboy » Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:00 pm

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buckboy wrote:Jackson getting 7 minutes last night is a crime.

Other than that, no complaints.

Other than that court. JFC.


I do think some of it was that it was evident the Hornets couldn’t stop the Bucks once they got rolling offensively in the 2nd, so going more offense was the easiest path to a comfortable win. And Beas was on another heater.

But yeah, gotta feed him more minutes.


Give him most of Pat's minutes.

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Post#149 » by randy84 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:30 pm

tedbrogen wrote:
buckboy wrote:Jackson getting 7 minutes last night is a crime.

Other than that, no complaints.

Other than that court. JFC.


I do think some of it was that it was evident the Hornets couldn’t stop the Bucks once they got rolling offensively in the 2nd, so going more offense was the easiest path to a comfortable win. And Beas was on another heater.

But yeah, gotta feed him more minutes.

Actually, when Jackson entered the game it was tied in the first. Then the Hornets went on to take a 9 point lead before Mids was subbed in for Jackson. The Hornets lead then went to 11 before Beasley came back in and helped get them back in the lead. I think the use of Jackson made sense for how the game was going.
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Post#150 » by tedbrogen » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:19 pm

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buckboy wrote:Jackson getting 7 minutes last night is a crime.

Other than that, no complaints.

Other than that court. JFC.


I do think some of it was that it was evident the Hornets couldn’t stop the Bucks once they got rolling offensively in the 2nd, so going more offense was the easiest path to a comfortable win. And Beas was on another heater.

But yeah, gotta feed him more minutes.

Actually, when Jackson entered the game it was tied in the first. Then the Hornets went on to take a 9 point lead before Mids was subbed in for Jackson. The Hornets lead then went to 11 before Beasley came back in and helped get them back in the lead. I think the use of Jackson made sense for how the game was going.


Yeah, that’s what I was saying. The Bucks put in a shooting lineup and figured out they could just outscore the Hornets based on shot profile efficiency (Brook was protecting the rim better than the Hornets were, Bucks are better shooting threes and drawing fouls, Hornets we’re getting baited into bad twos).

Dre’s shot is going down but the Hornets would have started to leave him wide open and dared him to shoot 10-15 threes. And even with Dre out there the Hornets were beating everyone else off the dribble except Giannis.

No need to risk a close game on Dre’s shooting when a regular offense focused lineup was going to win that game easily because the Hornets are a garbage team with awful D and some truly trash people on the team.
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Re: PG Charlotte - Solid Win 

Post#151 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:33 pm

“We started moving the ball more,” Antetokounmpo (16 points, eight rebounds, nine assists) said. “Guys were running, guys were running to the spots, we moved the ball. There was a lot of not just assists, like hockey assists too, like there were so many extra passes. Like pass, pass to a shot. And at the end of the day, once you start feeling that energy, everybody’s touching the ball, it’s easier to make shots. And once one goes in, then other shots started falling.”
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Post#152 » by rayallenscalves » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:37 pm

Matches Malone wrote:I'm all for giving Dairy Bird some rotation minutes. The guy walks around with a flame thrower and his defense isn't any worse than what we've seen from Beasley.


Or Pat. I'll maintain that Marjon, Dre, AJ and Malik should all play before Pat.
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Post#153 » by soxperry » Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:56 pm

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Matches Malone wrote:I'm all for giving Dairy Bird some rotation minutes. The guy walks around with a flame thrower and his defense isn't any worse than what we've seen from Beasley.


Or Pat. I'll maintain that Marjon, Dre, AJ and Malik should all play before Pat.


Yeah... Its really starting to look like Pat is the one to go. Bobby is not only the only other playable big, but he can also generate his own offense and can get easy buckets in the post.
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Re: PG Charlotte - Solid Win 

Post#154 » by drdrG » Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:51 pm

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“We started moving the ball more,” Antetokounmpo (16 points, eight rebounds, nine assists) said. “Guys were running, guys were running to the spots, we moved the ball. There was a lot of not just assists, like hockey assists too, like there were so many extra passes. Like pass, pass to a shot. And at the end of the day, once you start feeling that energy, everybody’s touching the ball, it’s easier to make shots. And once one goes in, then other shots started falling.”


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Post#155 » by tedbrogen » Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:24 pm

rayallenscalves wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:I'm all for giving Dairy Bird some rotation minutes. The guy walks around with a flame thrower and his defense isn't any worse than what we've seen from Beasley.


Or Pat. I'll maintain that Marjon, Dre, AJ and Malik should all play before Pat.


Yep, all of them, even Beas, have at least one solid skill that is above average. What’s the best thing Pat does? Besides rare athleticism (which he mainly uses to fly ball on close outs) what is Pat above average at? Working out with Giannis? Making real estate deals with the owners?

I get that he is almost always above average as a three point shooter in the playoffs but that’s not the case in the regular season and you have to sacrifice a lot to get Playoff Pat in the form of developmental minutes lost for younger guys during the season and just having Pat’s awful D out there the whole season.

If this is the level of D Pat will play in the playoffs, he’s probably not even playable if Playoff Pat shows up shooting-wise.
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Re: PG Charlotte - Solid Win 

Post#156 » by Jez2983 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:14 pm

drdrG wrote:
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“We started moving the ball more,” Antetokounmpo (16 points, eight rebounds, nine assists) said. “Guys were running, guys were running to the spots, we moved the ball. There was a lot of not just assists, like hockey assists too, like there were so many extra passes. Like pass, pass to a shot. And at the end of the day, once you start feeling that energy, everybody’s touching the ball, it’s easier to make shots. And once one goes in, then other shots started falling.”


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