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Re: PG Wizards - Bucks Sleepwalk to Win 

Post#141 » by rilamann » Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:50 pm

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AJ Green is probably our worst defender. No need to pull up clips, just watch him vs Dallas. He was completely out of position on defense almost the entire time he was out there. Multiple times other players had to make up for his mistakes as he stood there like a deer in headlights.


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Post#142 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:53 pm

Defense isn't just an individual thing, it matters a great deal who else is on the court.
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Post#143 » by TroyD92 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:57 pm

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Post#144 » by crkone » Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:58 pm

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My favorite moment. Does he think the game clock stops?


Was the game clock or 8 second count running then? I had assumed neither, until he touched the ball.


Game clock was running. Only stops after a made FG within the last two minutes of regulation and last minute of the other quarters. I really have no idea what he was doing down ten with 4 minutes to play.

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Post#145 » by chonestown » Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:59 pm

Some times you have to accuse defensive short comings in exchange for better shooting. Marksman ship can come and go on a game by by game bases. You (Griffin) have to adjust and basically ride the, in the prolapse of our time, the Hot ham.
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Post#146 » by craig » Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:04 pm

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Khris looked good and has looked good, his shot is silky smooth....


From 3, Kris is 31% this year, over his last 5 games he's 4-for-16. Last year he was 31.5%. Just a fluke? That's how it always works with 3-point guys, and he's just due to stack a couple of 4/6 games and he'll be right back into upper 30's?

Or Is it possible that at this stage in his career, getting older and with a bad knee and not the same lift he used to have, that 3-point shooting isn't going to be a thing any more? He was 41% in 2019-20 and 20-21 in his peak; but was 37% two years ago, and now stacking his second straight 31%. Or maybe as a streak shooter he'll be able to find his 3-point rhythm a little better as the minutes build?
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Post#147 » by tedbrogen » Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:11 pm

craig wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:..
Khris looked good and has looked good, his shot is silky smooth....


From 3, Kris is 31% this year, over his last 5 games he's 4-for-16. Last year he was 31.5%. Just a fluke? That's how it always works with 3-point guys, and he's just due to stack a couple of 4/6 games and he'll be right back into upper 30's?

Or Is it possible that at this stage in his career, getting older and with a bad knee and not the same lift he used to have, that 3-point shooting isn't going to be a thing any more? He was 41% in 2019-20 and 20-21 in his peak; but was 37% two years ago, and now stacking his second straight 31%. Or maybe as a streak shooter he'll be able to find his 3-point rhythm a little better as the minutes build?


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Re: PG Wizards - Bucks Sleepwalk to Win 

Post#148 » by drdrG » Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:13 pm

craig wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:..
Khris looked good and has looked good, his shot is silky smooth....


From 3, Kris is 31% this year, over his last 5 games he's 4-for-16. Last year he was 31.5%. Just a fluke? That's how it always works with 3-point guys, and he's just due to stack a couple of 4/6 games and he'll be right back into upper 30's?

Or Is it possible that at this stage in his career, getting older and with a bad knee and not the same lift he used to have, that 3-point shooting isn't going to be a thing any more? He was 41% in 2019-20 and 20-21 in his peak; but was 37% two years ago, and now stacking his second straight 31%. Or maybe as a streak shooter he'll be able to find his 3-point rhythm a little better as the minutes build?


I don't know what his numbers are now but his midrange shooting percentage is the highest in the league and his FT shooting remains great. He just needs time. No reason to think at 32 years old he's lost his shot.

Last year was a fluke - he barely played and when he did he was playing with an injury.
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Post#149 » by tedbrogen » Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:18 pm

Midds needs minutes and volume to get his three going. I’m more concerned about the guys with likely unsustainably high three point percentages. Are Beas and Cam going to stay at 47% and 53%? Is Marjon really a 44% three point shooter? That all seems unlikely unless Giannis and Dame’s combined gravity is so great it’s breaking the league.
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Post#150 » by RRyder823 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:19 pm

I've never really seen a shooter lose their shot with age. Sure they lose the ability to create their shot or to get it off quickly but niether of those seems to Middletons issue. He'll be fine. One hot shooting streak and those number level out

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Post#151 » by paulpressey25 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:36 pm

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Game clock was running. Only stops after a made FG within the last two minutes of regulation and last minute of the other quarters. I really have no idea what he was doing down ten with 4 minutes to play.


Thank you for the clarification. My mind wasn't concentrating on the clock then, because his roll out antics were the most ludacrisp I've ever seen. I can't recall a guy letting the ball roll all the way across half court, while snarling at the guy guarding him.
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Post#152 » by German Athens » Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:40 pm

Over the last 10 games we’re 1st in offensive rating and 17th in defensive rating.
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Post#153 » by tedbrogen » Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:53 pm

German Athens wrote:Over the last 10 games we’re 1st in offensive rating and 17th in defensive rating.


The former is probably where they should be now that they have reasonable spacing.

The latter still needs a bit of work as it would be the second worst of all time for a champion. But maybe getting Midds up to 30 mpg and Dre and Marjon up to 20 mpg each would improve it enough to be top 15?
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Post#154 » by CharityStripe34 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:02 pm

tedbrogen wrote:
German Athens wrote:Over the last 10 games we’re 1st in offensive rating and 17th in defensive rating.


The former is probably where they should be now that they have reasonable spacing.

The latter still needs a bit of work as it would be the second worst of all time for a champion. But maybe getting Midds up to 30 mpg and Dre and Marjon up to 20 mpg each would improve it enough to be top 15?


It will be nice if the defense can creep its way up to about 7-10th. Not elite, but solid enough. Especially if we're hanging 130 points on people. It just might once Griffin settles on a rotation, and we start getting some stinker teams on the schedule.
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Post#155 » by German Athens » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:10 pm

tedbrogen wrote:
German Athens wrote:Over the last 10 games we’re 1st in offensive rating and 17th in defensive rating.


The former is probably where they should be now that they have reasonable spacing.

The latter still needs a bit of work as it would be the second worst of all time for a champion. But maybe getting Midds up to 30 mpg and Dre and Marjon up to 20 mpg each would improve it enough to be top 15?


I feel pretty confident that this group as currently constructed could get to top 15 just by continuing to play brook in the drop and getting used to playing with one another.

The more exciting possibilities are if we go and trade for an all-nba perimeter defender and have some defensive growth from Dre and marjon. I think those things could get us back into the top 5.
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Post#156 » by rilamann » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:12 pm

The offense will be great and has already improved quite a bit over the past few weeks. You can see Giannis and Dame staring to get a lot more comfortable with each other, especially in the 4th quarter.

The defense will come around, it's still early. You can see some improvements, just going to take some time. Plus the top contenders don't really play all out on defense this early in the season in general. Like last night, I'm not going to get on the Bucks for not playing playoff intensity defense against the Wizards in November.

Now if we're down by 50 at home to the Celtics 2 weeks before the playoffs, like we were last season. I might be a bit cornered....lol.
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Post#157 » by DingleJerry » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:14 pm

Where would they be ranked if you start at game 6? The Tor disaster was I think game 5 and since then they've seemed to be better and brought back some of the drop stuff etc. I don't blame anyone if they don't wanna do the work on figuring that out but curious if they'd be more in the 12ish range then or not.
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Post#158 » by rilamann » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:26 pm

DingleJerry wrote:Where would they be ranked if you start at game 6? The Tor disaster was I think game 5 and since then they've seemed to be better and brought back some of the drop stuff etc. I don't blame anyone if they don't wanna do the work on figuring that out but curious if they'd be more in the 12ish range then or not.


I know you're talking about rankings, but had we not blown the Pacers game, we'd be 9-1 in our last 10.

We didn't come out firing on all cylinders those first few games, but we are definitely trending in a good direction.
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Post#159 » by fansinceforever » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:46 pm

I mean the glazing (as the kids say) of Malik Beasley has gotten out of control too.

We have to justify playing other people? We have to hold our commitment to him in the off-season?

This is a minimum contract journeyman who, yes, has the ability to get hot but we don't owe him a damn thing.
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Post#160 » by randy84 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:47 pm

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DingleJerry wrote:You can find a clip similar to that for virtually every player in the NBA.


Okay then please find me a clip with AJ Green looking like that.


I'm not going to pour over his minutes of nba games and I don't have a way to cut/paste video from games even if I did. But any player who has played tons of minutes in the NBA has gotten torched at some point. Are you really denying it?

Ang again, the guy was hurt on the play and left the game right after it. First impressions go a long way in sports but folks need to relax. League min players aren't gonna be perfect.

Don't worry, this guy will do it for you.

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