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[JayMKE]

So again, we're just willingly punting on the season to prove a point? Dumb. If anything, Boston right now is proving to us if you have a talented enough roster, you can still be a top-tier title contender even with an aggressively mediocre/in-experienced or a straight up doofus coach. Overcoming Griffin is an uphill battle but not impossible with the offensive talent we have. Just get creative with your tradeable salary and get some cheap defensive players in here.

Its not trying to prove a point, its just trying to mitigate damage so it doesn't metastasize wasting our last remaining assets & 2 seasons on something that's never going to work like the mistake has already been made & can't be undone. I would fire Griff today & be done with it if I could but that's not going to happen, there isn't many options other than to just letting nature take its course. I don't think giving him new players will fix the team and don't want to build around his vision. If Horst didn't pull off the trade for Lillard I'd be advocating literally shooting the man into the sun, this hire is a borderline fireable offense itself.

[PG Graveyard]

Unless they suddenly go on an atrocious losing streak, there's no way Griffin is getting canned mid-season.

If they keep playing like this we will go on a long losing streak. Sprinkle in a key injury and it will be easy

[Ron Swanson]

So again, we're just willingly punting on the season to prove a point? Dumb. If anything, Boston right now is proving to us if you have a talented enough roster, you can still be a top-tier title contender even with an aggressively mediocre/in-experienced or a straight up doofus coach. Overcoming Griffin is an uphill battle but not impossible with the offensive talent we have. Just get creative with your tradeable salary and get some cheap defensive players in here.

Its not trying to prove a point, its just trying to mitigate damage so it doesn't metastasize wasting our last remaining assets & 2 seasons on something that's never going to work like the mistake has already been made & can't be undone. I would fire Griff today & be done with it if I could but that's not going to happen, there isn't many options other than to just letting nature take its course. I don't think giving him new players will fix the team and don't want to build around his vision. If Horst didn't pull off the trade for Lillard I'd be advocating literally shooting the man into the sun, this hire is a borderline fireable offense itself.

Think it's time we realize our last remaining "assets" are insignificant, and I don't see any long-term damage in casting them out for some role players who might be valuable to the 2024 coaching staff (regardless of who that is) if we don't win the title this year anyways.

[raferfenix]

Unless they suddenly go on an atrocious losing streak, there's no way Griffin is getting canned mid-season.

Is this because of optics or on the merits -- like we couldn't get a big enough upgrade to make it worth it, or they still believe AG might develop into the coach we need?

If it's just optics, if any GM would have the 'Winning Takes Balls' attitude to take the risk there, it'd be Horst.

[bucksfansince88]

If Griffin gets Canned id Imagine horst is out with him

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Completely disagree. Any trade involving the Top-4 is strictly off-limits until a new coaching staff comes in, but Bobby, Pat, Marjon, etc. aren't core pieces for this 1-2 year window. You have to make the best of a bad situation with Griff and at least bring in a couple veteran switchable guys that have the potential to improve the perimeter defense. The people wanting this to get as bad as possible and punt the season just for the impossibly miniscule chance that he's fired by January are crazy. It's just not happening.

It feels like you are the one suggesting punting the season. You admit it's unrealistic we fire AG this year. The current core isn't working with AG. So you want both until next year?

Accepting the fact that Griffin isn't getting fired mid-season as long as we're winning 50+ games =/= wanting to keep him around. Dame/Giannis/Middleton/Brook are the only reason we're 13-6 right now.

"Want" Was a strong word. If you think AG isn't getting fired, do you waste this season with Square core pieces and a circle coach, or do you get creative and look at possibilities of trading Brolo? I don't disagree the better option is to keep brolo, but you saying "trading (brolo) is strictly off limits" really seems like you are limiting our options of winning now this year (punting this year) before our guys really go over the cliff.

[Gianstoppable]

If Griffin gets Canned id Imagine horst is out with him

Which would be horrible, Horst is very valuable for us. AG not so much, sometimes it doesn't work out and you just gotta make a change. I still think it's too early to know for sure

[raferfenix]

Nah no way the Bucks fire the GM that Giannis loves and just signed an extension for after he secured Dame following a years long pursuit.

Horst has job security like few others in the league. Grief was Giannis' guy that Horst hired before the extension or Dame.

There are plenty of reasons why he might not get sent packing in the short run but I don't think Horst not having the capital to fail fast there is one of them.

[JayMKE]

If Horst didn't make the Lillard trade I think we'd all be unanimous in wanting him fired probably even before Griff, IDK how much goodwill it buys him. IDK how much of Hort's decision it really was either, ownership and Giannis probably big factor. It def seems like he had long term plan to get Dame so hopefully he won't sit back and let Griff ruin it.

[Prez]

Horst isn’t stupid, I’m not sure Griffin was truly his guy and I think he knows how bad things are right now from a coaching perspective. The tough part though is that on top of (probably) not being able to fire Griffin, finding an experienced assistant to come in and help salvage this is going to be brutally difficult after a guy as respected as Stotts noped the **** outta here because of Griffin. After the Scariolo news went nowhere I’m honestly not sure what options we even have.

[skones]

Horst isn’t stupid, I don’t think Griffin was truly his guy and I think he knows how bad things are right now from a coaching perspective. The tough part though is that on top of (probably) not being able to fire Griffin, finding an experienced assistant to come in and help salvage this is going to be brutally difficult after a guy as respected as Stotts noped the **** outta here because of Griffin. After the Scariolo news went nowhere I’m honestly not sure what options we even have.

It's not even an assistant issue at this point. Stotts was the offense. We're 6th in ORTG right now despite our struggles because Dame is just that good. Griffin was always going to be the defensive architect and it just looks disastrous. There's not assistant that would come in and just take those reigns, and if they did, there is zero reason for Griffin to be here at all.

[Dick Tate]

The fire Horst talk makes no sense. Pretty sure it was the owners who made the call to fire Bud and put a players coach option in front of Giannis. Now that Giannis has signed his extension, it will be the owners call when to fire Griff. I wouldn't expect them to sit idly by waiting for one of the precious few seasons of the Dame-Giannis pairing to go down the drain.

[BroncoBuck]

The owners forced Stotts on to Griff as a contingency for things going south.

I don’t think Griff has the job security people are alluding to. The owners clearly had their doubts going in to this marriage.

[raferfenix]

I wonder how into Giannis feels about AG these days.

If he loses confidence in Grief that'd be different than if he feels like he's his guy.

Imagine Dame wishes Stotts were still around. He went through a rookie head coach with Billups recently too.

[drew881]

The drop in rebounds from 1st place to 20th seems fireable in itself.

[Matches Malone]

Does anybody know how much drop defense we've been using recently? I feel like that was something we were going to get back to but it seems like I keep seeing Brook out on the perimeter as the game goes on. Having multiple defensive looks isn't a bad thing, but then you need to be able to adjust the personnel out on the floor. Continuing to ask Brook to try and guard out there isn't working. Heck, asking Giannis to guard out there isn't working either lol.

[midranger]

The drop in rebounds from 1st place to 20th seems fireable in itself.

But we lost Jrue and Grayson…

[midranger]

Does anybody know how much drop defense we've been using recently? I feel like that was something we were going to get back to but it seems like I keep seeing Brook out on the perimeter as the game goes on. Having multiple defensive looks isn't a bad thing, but then you need to be able to adjust the personnel out on the floor. Continuing to ask Brook to try and guard out there isn't working. Heck, asking Giannis to guard out there isn't working either lol.

I recently saw Duncan Robinson cross Giannis over and take him straight to the rim for a layup.

Keeping Giannis out there on either end is malpractice.

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[BuckFan25226]

Does anybody know how much drop defense we've been using recently? I feel like that was something we were going to get back to but it seems like I keep seeing Brook out on the perimeter as the game goes on. Having multiple defensive looks isn't a bad thing, but then you need to be able to adjust the personnel out on the floor. Continuing to ask Brook to try and guard out there isn't working. Heck, asking Giannis to guard out there isn't working either lol.

It looks like AG for the most part is trying to make his initial scheme work.

Our defense looks like a 10 year old is playing NBA 2k, rapidly pressing the steal button while holding sprint.

It's so hard to watch.

[Ayt]

If Griffin gets Canned id Imagine horst is out with him

100% disagree with that.