Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

[ShootingtheJ]

Pat having two years left on his deal makes me think unless we're attaching the '31 first rounder, no team is just going to absorb Pat into cap space.

9m and a player option next year that he likely declines? A 1st round pick seems awfully steep. Doesn’t the cap increase 10% next off season? Pat will be heading into age 33, he’ll want a multi year deal again.

I don't think Pat gets more than the vet minimum, if he gets an offer at all. He's cooked. No way he opts out.

Patty C was above replacement level last year. He was more valuable than Harrison Barnes and Marcus Smart.

[BroncoBuck]

For the last time, you weren't getting **** for value in a Brook sign and trade. It was you either pay him, or let him walk, and paying him was the obvious move even in hindsight.

We would’ve gotten contracts that would’ve been tradable at the deadline to get a legitimate player. We couldn’t do anything last year because we didn’t have the contracts to make a deal work. Now it’s even worse because of the new second apron aggregate salaries rule.

No, we wouldn't have. This is like one of those "we could have drafted Dirk instead of Robert Traylor" RealGM things where apparently enough people convinced themselves it was real. The Rockets were just going to sign him with cap room, and then moved on when they couldn't.

The Rockets pivoted to Dillon Brooks AFTER the Brook deal fell through and guess how they acquired him…a S&T. The Rockets needed to offload roster spots. It was on the table and the Bucks chose to give Brook a big fat deal and waste a second roster spot on a non-NBA player.

Patty Mills expiring (part of the Brooks S&T) + Pat would’ve been 17 million alone available to deal at the deadline. Coincidentally that’s what PJ Washington makes.

[ReasonablySober]

9m and a player option next year that he likely declines? A 1st round pick seems awfully steep. Doesn’t the cap increase 10% next off season? Pat will be heading into age 33, he’ll want a multi year deal again.

I don't think Pat gets more than the vet minimum, if he gets an offer at all. He's cooked. No way he opts out.

Patty C was above replacement level last year. He was more valuable than Harrison Barnes and Marcus Smart.

Those guys suck too.

[Matches Malone]

KPJ still looks really good and exactly what we could use, but the moral dilemma of that signing would be pretty hard to ignore.

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[ShootingtheJ]

I don't think Pat gets more than the vet minimum, if he gets an offer at all. He's cooked. No way he opts out.

Patty C was above replacement level last year. He was more valuable than Harrison Barnes and Marcus Smart.

Those guys suck too.

True, but you wanted to trade Middleton for Barnes, and Memphis have up 2 -1sts for Smart, which handed the title to Boston

[ShootingtheJ]

KPJ still looks really good and exactly what we could use, but the moral dilemma of that signing would be pretty hard to ignore.

Watch on YouTube

Yeah, he's a perfect fit on the floor if he defends like he did there.

The other stuff is tough. Makes me feel dirty considering it.

[ShootingtheJ]

We would’ve gotten contracts that would’ve been tradable at the deadline to get a legitimate player. We couldn’t do anything last year because we didn’t have the contracts to make a deal work. Now it’s even worse because of the new second apron aggregate salaries rule.

No, we wouldn't have. This is like one of those "we could have drafted Dirk instead of Robert Traylor" RealGM things where apparently enough people convinced themselves it was real. The Rockets were just going to sign him with cap room, and then moved on when they couldn't.

The Rockets pivoted to Dillon Brooks AFTER the Brook deal fell through and guess how they acquired him…a S&T. The Rockets needed to offload roster spots. It was on the table and the Bucks chose to give Brook a big fat deal and waste a second roster spot on a non-NBA player.

Patty Mills expiring (part of the Brooks S&T) + Pat would’ve been 17 million alone available to deal at the deadline. Coincidentally that’s what PJ Washington makes.

Yup, the Rockets didn't have enough cap room to sign him, and gave up multiple picks to create more room.

They could have dealt us TyTy and Eason, kept their picks, and landed their preferred target

[ReasonablySober]

Patty C was above replacement level last year. He was more valuable than Harrison Barnes and Marcus Smart.

Those guys suck too.

True, but you wanted to trade Middleton for Barnes, and Memphis have up 2 -1sts for Smart, which handed the title to Boston

I didn’t care about Barnes. He was salary filler.

[rayallenscalves]

MKE in: Beef Stew and Marcus Sasser
MKE out: Brook and Marjon

DET in: Ingram
DET out: Beef Stew, Sasser, future 1st

NO in: Brook, Marjon, future 1st
NO out: Ingram

MKE gets their young, longer-term center, a really nice backup PG and frees up some cap space. Detroit gets a star(ish) player. NO rounds out their starting lineup and also frees up some cap space.

[Ron Swanson]

So the evidence provided that a Brook sign and trade was ever a realistic possibility is the same rationale that you can theoretically sign and trade any unrestricted free agent?

[jakecronus8]

MKE in: Beef Stew and Marcus Sasser
MKE out: Brook and Marjon

DET in: Ingram
DET out: Beef Stew, Sasser, future 1st

NO in: Brook, Marjon, future 1st
NO out: Ingram

MKE gets their young, longer-term center, a really nice backup PG and frees up some cap space. Detroit gets a star(ish) player. NO rounds out their starting lineup and also frees up some cap space.

Cut Detroit out and try to get Ingram

[ShootingtheJ]

So the evidence provided that a Brook sign and trade was ever a realistic possibility is the same rationale that you can theoretically sign and trade any unrestricted free agent?

No, for the 30th time, the Rockets didn't have enough space to sign Brook.

[ShootingtheJ]

Those guys suck too.

True, but you wanted to trade Middleton for Barnes, and Memphis have up 2 -1sts for Smart, which handed the title to Boston

I didn’t care about Barnes. He was salary filler.

So you were trading Middleton straight up for Keon Ellis?. Wow dude. AJJ will likely be Keon Ellis this year.

[ReasonablySober]

True, but you wanted to trade Middleton for Barnes, and Memphis have up 2 -1sts for Smart, which handed the title to Boston

I didn’t care about Barnes. He was salary filler.

So you were trading Middleton straight up for Keon Ellis?. Wow dude. AJJ will likely be Keon Ellis this year.

I think Ellis is going to be a stud two way player.

[Ron Swanson]

So the evidence provided that a Brook sign and trade was ever a realistic possibility is the same rationale that you can theoretically sign and trade any unrestricted free agent?

No, for the 30th time, the Rockets didn't have enough space to sign Brook.

To sign and trade a player you have to sign them to at least 3-4 year deal. They were only ever going to use cap space. What are you guys not understanding about this?

[landoc88]

Wait the Kevin Porter Jr rumor true?

[BroncoBuck]

So the evidence provided that a Brook sign and trade was ever a realistic possibility is the same rationale that you can theoretically sign and trade any unrestricted free agent?

No, for the 30th time, the Rockets didn't have enough space to sign Brook.

To sign and trade a player you have to sign them to at least 3-4 year deal. They were only ever going to use cap space. What are you guys not understanding about this?

The Rockets were always going to do a sign and trade. They shipped out more second round picks than they received to facilitate the Brooks deal. They had too many players and they had salary to move.

The 3 year deal part has always been a joke. You don’t need guaranteed money in the following years, just year 1. So the Rockets would’ve just partially guaranteed year 3. Big whoop.

[jute2003]

Wait the Kevin Porter Jr rumor true?

Maybe is still the answer

[Daver]

Wait the Kevin Porter Jr rumor true?

Im willing to give him a chsnce dude is good n would be a perfect guy next to dame.Im sure if this rumor is true horst has talked to this young man who know maybe porter regrets it

[Matches Malone]

Wait the Kevin Porter Jr rumor true?

Im willing to give him a chsnce dude is good n would be a perfect guy next to dame.Im sure if this rumor is true horst has talked to this young man who know maybe porter regrets it

My only concern is his issues aren't just one off. He's had multiple off court problems that aren't just little things you can brush off so easily. Maybe he has gotten some help, matured a bit and a guy like Doc could reign him in, but it's still a risk. But damn would his talent be a seamless fit.