Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Beal for Midds discussed last year

[raferfenix]

Only way we get Kuminga would be as part of a Middleton trade I imagine.

Of course way more likely he’d get dealt for Lauri.

But Dunleavy made a run at PG13 so not like age and injury history would be a full stop.

[fansinceforever]

I'm not sure how replacing two below average defenders with two above average ones a significant upgrade then I don't know what to tell you. Also, Prince had a good defensive rating while having one of the toughest bodies of defensive assignments last year.

Delon is likely taking Beverley's role and he's not a much better defender than he is.

Where are you getting that Taurean Prince had a good Def rating? It was awful. He's prob more like an average defender.

His defensive rating was likely a skewed by who he was asked to guard last season. Teams don't typically task average defenders to guard the opponents top playmakers. Look at the other names on this list and it should indicate he's a good defender.

Yeah, I mean he played for the Lakers who had no good defensive players outside of Anthony Davis. He was the best of a bad situation so there's that...

Again, we're just not going to agree that this team significantly upgraded anything this off-season.

Edit: toss Vanderbilt in there too. He's alright.

[Frank Nova]

Delon is likely taking Beverley's role and he's not a much better defender than he is.

Where are you getting that Taurean Prince had a good Def rating? It was awful. He's prob more like an average defender.

His defensive rating was likely a skewed by who he was asked to guard last season. Teams don't typically task average defenders to guard the opponents top playmakers. Look at the other names on this list and it should indicate he's a good defender.

Yeah, I mean he played for the Lakers who had no good defensive players outside of Anthony Davis. He was the best of a bad situation so there's that...

Again, we're just not going to agree that this team significantly upgraded anything this off-season.

Edit: toss Vanderbilt in there too. He's alright.

It’s hard to determine what is an actual “upgrade” tho. The biggest upgrade is a full offseason together as a unit and Giannis Khris and Dame all showing up for TC firing on all cylinders. That’s a bigger upgrade than any role player can be.

[soxperry]

Unless you watched a ton of Lakers last season, you cant just assume he was good or bad defensively. But what we do know is that

1. Lakers fans were irritated that he played so much

2. He did not get a multi year deal in free agency

3. He signed for vet minimum.

If he ends up being a slightly better version of Jae Crowder, its a win, but im definitely not hoping for much more than that.

[BroncoBuck]

Unless you watched a ton of Lakers last season, you cant just assume he was good or bad defensively. But what we do know is that

1. Lakers fans were irritated that he played so much

2. He did not get a multi year deal in free agency

3. He signed for vet minimum.

If he ends up being a slightly better version of Jae Crowder, its a win, but im definitely not hoping for much more than that.

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[crowhead76]

Delon is likely taking Beverley's role and he's not a much better defender than he is.

Where are you getting that Taurean Prince had a good Def rating? It was awful. He's prob more like an average defender.

His defensive rating was likely a skewed by who he was asked to guard last season. Teams don't typically task average defenders to guard the opponents top playmakers. Look at the other names on this list and it should indicate he's a good defender.

Yeah, I mean he played for the Lakers who had no good defensive players outside of Anthony Davis. He was the best of a bad situation so there's that...

Again, we're just not going to agree that this team significantly upgraded anything this off-season.

Edit: toss Vanderbilt in there too. He's alright.

Two very good articles about the Bucks free agent additions and a realistic perspective. The Bucks are a better team on paper this year with Wright and Prince hopefully playing in roles that suit their strengths and compliment the rest of the roster.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5608671/2024/07/01/delon-wright-bucks-nba-free-agency/

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5615405/2024/07/03/bucks-taurean-prince-agree-contract/

[fansinceforever]

His defensive rating was likely a skewed by who he was asked to guard last season. Teams don't typically task average defenders to guard the opponents top playmakers. Look at the other names on this list and it should indicate he's a good defender.

Yeah, I mean he played for the Lakers who had no good defensive players outside of Anthony Davis. He was the best of a bad situation so there's that...

Again, we're just not going to agree that this team significantly upgraded anything this off-season.

Edit: toss Vanderbilt in there too. He's alright.

It’s hard to determine what is an actual “upgrade” tho. The biggest upgrade is a full offseason together as a unit and Giannis Khris and Dame all showing up for TC firing on all cylinders. That’s a bigger upgrade than any role player can be.

Yeah, agreed but Bdpecore was saying we're a 60 win team based on the signings we've made and TC. +11 wins is a bit of a stretch, no? I don't think the Bucks will even push their key players to play often enough to hit 60 wins.

At any rate, I think if we're actually healthy we'll fight with NY for the 2 spot and be a backend of the top 6ish team.

[soxperry]

In the 2019 nba this team could definitely win 60 games, thats a lot harder now

[bdpecore]

Yeah, I mean he played for the Lakers who had no good defensive players outside of Anthony Davis. He was the best of a bad situation so there's that...

Again, we're just not going to agree that this team significantly upgraded anything this off-season.

Edit: toss Vanderbilt in there too. He's alright.

It’s hard to determine what is an actual “upgrade” tho. The biggest upgrade is a full offseason together as a unit and Giannis Khris and Dame all showing up for TC firing on all cylinders. That’s a bigger upgrade than any role player can be.

Yeah, agreed but Bdpecore was saying we're a 60 win team based on the signings we've made and TC. +11 wins is a bit of a stretch, no? I don't think the Bucks will even push their key players to play often enough to hit 60 wins.

At any rate, I think if we're actually healthy we'll fight with NY for the 2 spot and be a backend of the top 6ish team.

I never said we were a 60 win team based on our signings. Here's what I initially said. Also you have yet to provide what "huge holes" we currently have on our roster.

What huge holes do they currently have on their roster? Wright can be our starting SG if we cannot add anyone else. As is, we are already a 50-55 win team if we can avoid major injuries to our big 3.

BTW your original argument is we haven't made any progress this offseason yet above you say our ceiling is finishing 2nd in the East which would already be an improvement over last year. Please explain how the Knicks and 76ers made significant upgrades this offseason and still have the potential to finish behind the Bucks who in your opinion have had a "meh" offseason?

[Profound23]

Only way we get Kuminga would be as part of a Middleton trade I imagine.

Of course way more likely he’d get dealt for Lauri.

But Dunleavy made a run at PG13 so not like age and injury history would be a full stop.

Don't even think Khris is enough to get Kuminga but if it is...do it now

[Shaffty]

Unless you watched a ton of Lakers last season, you cant just assume he was good or bad defensively. But what we do know is that

1. Lakers fans were irritated that he played so much

2. He did not get a multi year deal in free agency

3. He signed for vet minimum.

If he ends up being a slightly better version of Jae Crowder, its a win, but im definitely not hoping for much more than that.

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anyone who makes stan accounts like that are 16 and idiots

[Frank Nova]

Unless you watched a ton of Lakers last season, you cant just assume he was good or bad defensively. But what we do know is that

1. Lakers fans were irritated that he played so much

2. He did not get a multi year deal in free agency

3. He signed for vet minimum.

If he ends up being a slightly better version of Jae Crowder, its a win, but im definitely not hoping for much more than that.

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anyone who makes stan accounts like that are 16 and idiots

Hoodi Hachimura is a super lame @ to have too. It doesn’t even sound cool.

[fansinceforever]

It’s hard to determine what is an actual “upgrade” tho. The biggest upgrade is a full offseason together as a unit and Giannis Khris and Dame all showing up for TC firing on all cylinders. That’s a bigger upgrade than any role player can be.

Yeah, agreed but Bdpecore was saying we're a 60 win team based on the signings we've made and TC. +11 wins is a bit of a stretch, no? I don't think the Bucks will even push their key players to play often enough to hit 60 wins.

At any rate, I think if we're actually healthy we'll fight with NY for the 2 spot and be a backend of the top 6ish team.

I never said we were a 60 win team based on our signings. Here's what I initially said. Also you have yet to provide what "huge holes" we currently have on our roster.

What huge holes do they currently have on their roster? Wright can be our starting SG if we cannot add anyone else. As is, we are already a 50-55 win team if we can avoid major injuries to our big 3.

BTW your original argument is we haven't made any progress this offseason yet above you say our ceiling is finishing 2nd in the East which would already be an improvement over last year. Please explain how the Knicks and 76ers made significant upgrades this offseason and still have the potential to finish behind the Bucks who in your opinion have had a "meh" offseason?

My fault I thought you said 55-60. I still don't think we've improved 6 games though.

We have had a "meh" off-season and if we have great health then we could be second in East... but I wouldn't bet on Khris Middleton's health.

And last, we do have glaring holes defensively. Going from memory there's like 2 or 3 teams in the last 30 years that have won a championship with a defense ranked outside of the top 10. And the only one considerably outside of the top 10 was the '01 Lakers. The Bucks can't stay in front of anybody. That is a massive issue that we've done little to remedy. If you want to believe they have, we're just not going to agree.

[ShootingtheJ]

Delon is likely taking Beverley's role and he's not a much better defender than he is.

Where are you getting that Taurean Prince had a good Def rating? It was awful. He's prob more like an average defender.

His defensive rating was likely a skewed by who he was asked to guard last season. Teams don't typically task average defenders to guard the opponents top playmakers. Look at the other names on this list and it should indicate he's a good defender.

Yeah, I mean he played for the Lakers who had no good defensive players outside of Anthony Davis. He was the best of a bad situation so there's that...

Again, we're just not going to agree that this team significantly upgraded anything this off-season.

Edit: toss Vanderbilt in there too. He's alright.

If the Lakers lacked quality defenders, their defense should have been better when Prince played, but instead it was 6 points/100 worse.

He can help make opponents miss, but his disdain for rebounding allows possessions to continue.

[bdpecore]

Yeah, agreed but Bdpecore was saying we're a 60 win team based on the signings we've made and TC. +11 wins is a bit of a stretch, no? I don't think the Bucks will even push their key players to play often enough to hit 60 wins.

At any rate, I think if we're actually healthy we'll fight with NY for the 2 spot and be a backend of the top 6ish team.

I never said we were a 60 win team based on our signings. Here's what I initially said. Also you have yet to provide what "huge holes" we currently have on our roster.

What huge holes do they currently have on their roster? Wright can be our starting SG if we cannot add anyone else. As is, we are already a 50-55 win team if we can avoid major injuries to our big 3.

BTW your original argument is we haven't made any progress this offseason yet above you say our ceiling is finishing 2nd in the East which would already be an improvement over last year. Please explain how the Knicks and 76ers made significant upgrades this offseason and still have the potential to finish behind the Bucks who in your opinion have had a "meh" offseason?

My fault I thought you said 55-60. I still don't think we've improved 6 games though.

We have had a "meh" off-season and if we have great health then we could be second in East... but I wouldn't bet on Khris Middleton's health.

And last, we do have glaring holes defensively. Going from memory there's like 2 or 3 teams in the last 30 years that have won a championship with a defense ranked outside of the top 10. And the only one considerably outside of the top 10 was the '01 Lakers. The Bucks can't stay in front of anybody. That is a massive issue that we've done little to remedy. If you want to believe they have, we're just not going to agree.

I'm perfectly ok with agreeing to disagree on this and seeing how next season plays out.

[Packbuckman]

Yeah, agreed but Bdpecore was saying we're a 60 win team based on the signings we've made and TC. +11 wins is a bit of a stretch, no? I don't think the Bucks will even push their key players to play often enough to hit 60 wins.

At any rate, I think if we're actually healthy we'll fight with NY for the 2 spot and be a backend of the top 6ish team.

I never said we were a 60 win team based on our signings. Here's what I initially said. Also you have yet to provide what "huge holes" we currently have on our roster.

What huge holes do they currently have on their roster? Wright can be our starting SG if we cannot add anyone else. As is, we are already a 50-55 win team if we can avoid major injuries to our big 3.

BTW your original argument is we haven't made any progress this offseason yet above you say our ceiling is finishing 2nd in the East which would already be an improvement over last year. Please explain how the Knicks and 76ers made significant upgrades this offseason and still have the potential to finish behind the Bucks who in your opinion have had a "meh" offseason?

My fault I thought you said 55-60. I still don't think we've improved 6 games though.

We have had a "meh" off-season and if we have great health then we could be second in East... but I wouldn't bet on Khris Middleton's health.

And last, we do have glaring holes defensively. Going from memory there's like 2 or 3 teams in the last 30 years that have won a championship with a defense ranked outside of the top 10. And the only one considerably outside of the top 10 was the '01 Lakers. The Bucks can't stay in front of anybody. That is a massive issue that we've done little to remedy. If you want to believe they have, we're just not going to agree.

Having a training camp with Doc and not Griffen improves the D alone plus not having Beasley here and guarding the best offensive guard really improves the D. I bet you this team ends up top 10 D and top 5 rebounding team again.

[Dick Tate]

It doesn't take rose colored glasses to see the team will be better defensively simply by removing 77(!) game starter Malik Beasley. If you want to argue against the team making a 1-6 win improvement, knock yourself out.

[BUCKnation]

I don't know if we've improved on Malik's old spot enough to improve during the regular season. He was so good for a large portion of the season despite his defensive liabilities. For the post season, I would say we've definitely improved because he wouldn't have been on the floor without desperation last season.

We can argue about Prince, but he is 100% way better than what Crowder provided for most of the year.

[Daver]

Yeah, agreed but Bdpecore was saying we're a 60 win team based on the signings we've made and TC. +11 wins is a bit of a stretch, no? I don't think the Bucks will even push their key players to play often enough to hit 60 wins.

At any rate, I think if we're actually healthy we'll fight with NY for the 2 spot and be a backend of the top 6ish team.

I never said we were a 60 win team based on our signings. Here's what I initially said. Also you have yet to provide what "huge holes" we currently have on our roster.

What huge holes do they currently have on their roster? Wright can be our starting SG if we cannot add anyone else. As is, we are already a 50-55 win team if we can avoid major injuries to our big 3.

BTW your original argument is we haven't made any progress this offseason yet above you say our ceiling is finishing 2nd in the East which would already be an improvement over last year. Please explain how the Knicks and 76ers made significant upgrades this offseason and still have the potential to finish behind the Bucks who in your opinion have had a "meh" offseason?

My fault I thought you said 55-60. I still don't think we've improved 6 games though.

We have had a "meh" off-season and if we have great health then we could be second in East... but I wouldn't bet on Khris Middleton's health.

And last, we do have glaring holes defensively. Going from memory there's like 2 or 3 teams in the last 30 years that have won a championship with a defense ranked outside of the top 10. And the only one considerably outside of the top 10 was the '01 Lakers. The Bucks can't stay in front of anybody. That is a massive issue that we've done little to remedy. If you want to believe they have, we're just not going to agree.

We were a 60 win team last year with beasley as our starting 2.We won 49 games with our big 3 playing together only 13xs.13xs thats it.You put them out there a minimum of 45 games together thry easily win another 12 games plus.They were the #1 trio in basketbsll on O when they all played together.
This year we have improved albeit slightly on the edges with prince n wright thats all we wanted after the season.
If this team does nothing else( though i still think they upgrade the 2 spot) but if they stand still with a healthy 3( and from what ive read dame for surely will be in tbe best shape of his life) and doc being able to implement his full O system this team todsy is very capable of winning 60 games n being in fight for the 1 seed.

[ReddRum]