PG Knicks - Unserious

[theFireBlanket]

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[paulpressey25]

Probably shouldn't repost rando tweets from accounts with under 10K if they're that stupid.

If you read the full thread, most of the people agree with him. Part of the reason for posting it is to highlight that we’re in a very interesting time right now with Giannis. The seven foot Westbrook narrative is starting to take hold. If Giannis can’t get this team turned around, we all better prepare for the end of the era.

It also leads to the trade value equation. Around 2010 Baddy Chuck put a trade idea out here of Bogut for Ibaka, Harden and a 1st. Majority here scoffed at it. OKC probably would have done it. Two years later, we all would have grabbed the deal fast.

Giannis stays here as long as he will have us. At the same time, he needs to make a decision in the coming months whether he’s willing to stick around for a major retool that would involve trading Dame and a lot of other stuff happening, including him moving to full time center.

If we’re not back at .500 by Christmas, Tick Tock.

[PG Graveyard]

OKC absolutely would not have done that trade at the time.

[paulpressey25]

OKC absolutely would not have done that trade at the time.

You weren’t around here then. We can find the correct timeline but this was well before Harden became anything, Ibaka was a good role player and you still needed a center to win. Bogut was finally starting to round into a defensive monster.

And remember that in March of 2012, the Warriors were willing to give up Steph for an injured Bogut with a foot injury and post Amare elbow.

[Turd Ferguson]

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Wait...so he *was* directing that at a player with the "If you don't wanna be here, you can leave" quote?

Anyone get a scoop from twitter on who Giannis was directing that original quote toward in the locker room?

[Matches Malone]

Anyone get a scoop from twitter on who Giannis was directing that original quote toward in the locker room?

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[ReddoverKobe]

The Bucks honestly had a great run and made some changes that simply have not worked out. At the time I would bet 90% of the league gm's and owners would have made the same moves.

Bud was great but a change was needed for both sides. And while the Suns are looking great now what is the plan when they get in the playoffs and nurkic is unplayable? We will see the same complaints we saw here if they dont win a title.

Jrue is one of my favorite Bucks ever but he is not a #2 player on a title team and hes now what the 4th or 5th option on the Celtics? He also got destroyed in that Heat series what people seem to forget.

As Paul said, the clock is ticking now, only we are much closer to midnight then people think. The team is not a serious contender so its either time to blow it up, including trade Giannis or blow it up and have a rebuild in which they are bad for 2-3 years at least?

I can be mad at the results but its not like the sat around doing nothing.

[JayMKE]

Suns with Bud are contending for a title, the Doc Bucks are contending for the play-in. It's more than an "aw shucks we tried" moment, its a monumental failure and borderline sabotage. Horst should be beaten with phonebooks

[ReddoverKobe]

Suns with Bud are contending for a title, the Doc Bucks are contending for the play-in. It's more than an "aw shucks we tried" moment, its a monumental failure and borderline sabotage. Horst should be beaten with phonebooks

Are they? They have played 9 games so far, and while it looks great, lets see how a full season plays out. Beal is due to be hurt here in about a week. KD is 36 and its not like hes been injury free lately.

And KD is hurt

[Wonka]

Suns with Bud are contending for a title, the Doc Bucks are contending for the play-in. It's more than an "aw shucks we tried" moment, its a monumental failure and borderline sabotage. Horst should be beaten with phonebooks

Allegedly, Horst wanted Atkinson both hiring rounds. Giannis wanted Griff, the ownership wanted Nurse, and Horst wanted Kenny. Then, Horst pushed for Atkinson AGAIN after Griff but was again leapfrogged by our new owner, Jimmy Haslam. Horst has been awful personnel wise, top to bottom. He does seem to want the right coaches, though. I do genuinely believe we would’ve looked like a much better team with a coach like Atkinson.

[neiLz]

I'm most impressed by how our offense now looks worse with a fully in shape Dame than it did when they were playing pickup under Griffin. Slow to get into action, less transition, less drive and kick, less 3PA, more standing around watching two guys, more post ups, more ISO. We're running a 2010 offense and that's on Doc.

Thidms right here. So many posessions where dame or someone on top of key is waiting for giannis, bobby, or brook to get their post position only to either fail to get an entry pass in leading to a rushed shot, or they get the pass in and the post player goes forces a tough ass shot and doesnt kick out. Doc thinks we have hakeem or shaq in the post. Wtf is this ****.

[jimmybones]

Suns with Bud are contending for a title, the Doc Bucks are contending for the play-in. It's more than an "aw shucks we tried" moment, its a monumental failure and borderline sabotage. Horst should be beaten with phonebooks

Allegedly, Horst wanted Atkinson both hiring rounds. Giannis wanted Griff, the ownership wanted Nurse, and Horst wanted Kenny. Then, Horst pushed for Atkinson AGAIN after Griff but was again leapfrogged by our new owner, Jimmy Haslam. Horst has been awful personnel wise, top to bottom. He does seem to want the right coaches, though. I do genuinely believe we would’ve looked like a much better team with a coach like Atkinson.

If this is true, I can understand if Horst gave Giannis his way on Griff, let's not pretend like he had a choice. But if Haslam heavy handed the Doc thing that's incredibly depressing.

Blame Horst all you want for the roster construction but I don't see how anyone can blame him for this coaching circus if he wanted Atkinson and wasn't allowed to do his job as GENERAL MANAGER and hire the coach he chose to run the team he built.

This coaching mess is on Giannis some for Griff and even more so on a meddling owner for trying to do a job he's not suited to do. Shame on Haslam. Anyone on this board would have known to go with Atkinson over Doc. We're ****

[soxperry]

Anyone get a scoop from twitter on who Giannis was directing that original quote toward in the locker room?

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That doesn't add up. Under what circumstances would he say that to a media member?

[Matches Malone]

Anyone get a scoop from twitter on who Giannis was directing that original quote toward in the locker room?

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That doesn't add up. Under what circumstances would he say that to a media member?

Both of our beat reporters are saying it was directed at another media member. Don't know what they may have did or said to set him off.

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[MickeyDavis]

There were a lot of media guys in there. There's no doubt it wasn't directed at a teammate or we would have heard that. It's weird that it was apparently a NY media person with the if you're tired of losing comment.

[nagawicka]

But but but, lets kick Thanasis and get some other useless 15th bench man that provides nothing, that sure will help.

1000% YES. Find any 15th bench man, be it the best 15th developmental prospect you can find, while you're at it sign the Jay Huffs you refused to even bring in, the Sam Merrills you couldn't be bothered to develop, the Javon Carters whose critical POA defense we never acknowledged and never replaced in spite of the ongoing wailing and crying. Broook! Wah! Broook! Dumping Thanasis was years overdue. Sometimes it seeemed like he could physically do it, but is that really playing the game. Same holds true for G.

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

Bud made the culture championship caliber. That’s why I never wanted him gone, coaches like Bud are like Poppoviches, Kerrs— these guys get the most out of their team and always more than the sum of their parts. These are generational coaches. We let ours go.

[brewbucks]

We’re in basketball hell, this is what happens when we have too many cooks in the kitchen making decisions.

[Magic Giannison]

But but but, lets kick Thanasis and get some other useless 15th bench man that provides nothing, that sure will help.

1000% YES. Find any 15th bench man, be it the best 15th developmental prospect you can find, while you're at it sign the Jay Huffs you refused to even bring in, the Sam Merrills you couldn't be bothered to develop, the Javon Carters whose critical POA defense was replaced and never acknowledged in spite of the ongoing wailing and crying. Dumping Thanasis was years overdue. Sometimes it seeemed like he could physically do it, but is that really playing the game. Same holds true for G.

The point is that Thanasis being on the team didn't change anything in terms of performance eon the court while we lost a GREAT lockeroom guy that was visibly helping our team in the mental state.

15th man isnt doing anything in any contenders when they play with 8 man rotations in the playoffs.

[randy84]

Probably shouldn't repost rando tweets from accounts with under 10K if they're that stupid.

If you read the full thread, most of the people agree with him. Part of the reason for posting it is to highlight that we’re in a very interesting time right now with Giannis. The seven foot Westbrook narrative is starting to take hold. If Giannis can’t get this team turned around, we all better prepare for the end of the era.

It also leads to the trade value equation. Around 2010 Baddy Chuck put a trade idea out here of Bogut for Ibaka, Harden and a 1st. Majority here scoffed at it. OKC probably would have done it. Two years later, we all would have grabbed the deal fast.

Giannis stays here as long as he will have us. At the same time, he needs to make a decision in the coming months whether he’s willing to stick around for a major retool that would involve trading Dame and a lot of other stuff happening, including him moving to full time center.

If we’re not back at .500 by Christmas, Tick Tock.

How hard is it to build a team around Giannis? It seems like it is very difficult because you need to have the exact right players. People say that Jrue was the perfect PG for him, but it took the Bucks getting PJ to make them a champion. And that was with them getting some big breaks in the playoffs. You need a center that can hit 3's, because you can't have them clogging up Giannis' driving lanes. But they also have to be quick enough to get back to the paint to defend.

Then you have to take into account Giannis and Mids being injured all the time. You then need a player that can step up and be a one or two on the team when they are out. The big reason Jrue got traded was because he couldn't score or defend when they needed him to in the playoffs.

I just think a guy who is injured a lot at the end of the season, can't hit 3s, and can't hit free throws is hard to build around in today's NBA. I don't care what stat lines he puts up. Banging into 3 and 4 defenders every game all season takes a toll and once Giannis' athleticism is gone what do you have?

For example would you trade Giannis to the Pelicans for Ingram, Jones, Yves, all our draft picks back, and some of the Pels? Don't you think you could rebuild faster getting rid of Giannis for a huge haul then trying to make moves with Giannis being stuck at the 2nd apron? Is this a Herschel Walker type trade situation?