Post game thread: Milwaukee Bucks VS Wizards

[Simulack]

They're both already slightly above average, i hope they project to be better than that, or we're totally screwed.

I think you know why that is my opinion on Bogut since we talked about it in a different thread: lack of improvement from year to year and lack of dominant type games lead me to believe there is little chance he's ever more than a "slightly above average" player.

So instead of repeating myself ad nauseam, I'll talk about Mo. I've always been a big fan of his but realistically what chance is there that he moves out of the slightly above average tier?

Let's define that as top 10 at his position. Right now I'd probably rank him around the 12/13 area of starting PG's. How does he move into the top 10 in the next 2-3 years? There is just no way. The PG position has a lot of young talent right now in the NBA and there are only a few guys who are going to drop out of there due to age... and then there a lot of young guys who will probably move up like Conley...

You can't just say: Mo's slightly above average and only 25 so eventually he will be even better.. You have to look and evaluate him relative to other NBA PG's. I don't see a lot of upward mobility there.

The reason I like Mo is because, although he isn't an essential piece for a young rebuilding team, he is at least compatible with one. He's fairly young, coachable and has a reasonable contract. IMO Redd is an obstacle to a rebuilding team despite being a superior player. But there's no way Mo is every the 6thish best PG in the NBA like Redd is in terms of SG's.


The Simmons quote is too funny. Amputate his **** vocal cords along with his right foot.

[El Duderino]

Everyone says build around Bogut/Yi, and everyone else is untouchable, but there really is no reason Bogut should be untouchable. He isn't an impact player, just a solid role player. There's no reason we have to put him on the trading block and look for a trade, but I sure would consider offers.

If a team wanted to offer a young player who can actually play basketball for Bogut, I'd make the trade in a hurry. Guys from '04 and later that I would trade Bogut for: Howard, Okafor, Deng, Iguodala, Jefferson, Smith, D.Williams, Paul, Bynum, Aldridge, Roy, Gay, Oden, Durant, Horford, Conley. That's 16 players from the last 4 drafts that we could not get for our #1 pick even if we wanted to (and we do want to, trust me).

You don't want to trade Bogut because despite maybe not being an all star caliber player (I disagree,I think Bogut has all star potential but lets all agree Bogut doesnt have that potential for argument) Bogut is still an essential player/player you need on a winning team.

Why? because he wants to win and plays to win and is a team player who is willing to do the little things that are essential to winning.

Obviously you reconsider if a great deal was offered.

But heres the catch,you'd never get value for Bogut and the reason why is because Bogut's true value will never be evident untill Bogut is part of a winning team that plays team basketball.

If Bogut was traded to a winning team that played team style basketball all the people bashing Bogut right now would be crying and consider trading Bogut a major blunder by the Bucks a year or two from now.

Like you said Bogut isnt an impact player and he isnt an impact player on losing team and Bogut will probably never be an impact player on a losing team.

But I guarntee you Bogut would be an impact player on a winning team that plays basketball the right way.

Thats the type of player Bogut it is,I can see it.The guy has talent and is so versatile,he could do so much and play a such a big role and be a big factor in a winning situation.I truly belive that.

With all that said Bogut still has room for improvement of course and more importantly he has to become more agressive on the court and have more an ''alpha'' mentality on & off the court.I think one of Bogut's problems is he deferes too much and is to soft mentally.

Simply put Bogut needs to be less of a wuss,if he wants the ball and is in postition to get the ball and his teammates dont pass it to him he needs to take the initiative and start **** people up.

Bogut has it in him and he also has the talent to be one hell of an NBA center,he just needs to let that attitude out.

There is a wide variety of reasons why the Bucks aren't a better team than they currently are and Bogut is one of those reasons.

The Bucks had a huge chance to find a player that could become the face of the franchise by getting the No.1 overall draft choice and we took Andrew Bogut. Him simply not being near as good of a player as they hoped for has been a huge blow to this franchise. There is just nothing special about him at all.

There are things he does well obviously, but nothing he does is great. Mix that with his weak areas and you end up with a guy who can play a nice role, but can't be impact player. We desperately needed an impact player.

It's year three of his career and yet there is is a belief by some that all these other players and three head coaches are the reason why Andrew can't shine, poor Andrew is being held back by all these other factors except himself.

Put him on a good team and he'll look so much better they say. Well duh, so would other guys on this team. I've watched basketball a long time, special and/or really good players just find a way to shine regardless if the team they are on is good or bad. The history of the NBA is littered with good players who looked outstanding even though they were stuck on garbage teams, they simply were to good and talented to be held back.

Even though this current situation probably isn't ideal for Andrew, he doesn't shine and produce more because he's just not good and skilled enough to. Bogut isn't a difference maker like a Chris Paul or Deron Williams is, something the franchise so badly needed.

I do believe the Bucks can win with Bogut at center, but the team around him will have to be very good because Andrew can only be a solid supporting cog, not the main guy or two unless he dramatically improves his skill level. Currently he is nowhere close to being good enough that if say he's your second best player, that's a sign your team is in good shape talent wise

[BrewersGM]

like i said before were only getting one win the next two weeks!

[steger_3434]

If there isn't some major housecleaning here, on January 15th Steger and I are going to put up the official choices and votes for the new team we adopt from that day going forward.....

January 15th can't come fast enough Press. Hell, I'll go all out. Whatever team we pick I'll put my everything I have into them. Bucks post game show? I'll call up and talk about whatever team we chose like that is the team the show is about. Sparky will be like WTF, but we have to do this right!!

[SportsWorld]

Which one of you is this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVCdfRoUk8I

[Andrew34r]

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Guys should have came out, it was a great time. Can't go wrong yelling things at Sparky all night. Props to Steger for the shout out. Ended up getting another girls number.

You know its a good night when you end up at ARTs. That place isn't as bad as ppl say. There were some good looking girls... there was a girl up there I could see why ppl say things though. BigKurt is the man...

"Hey I'm not that easy, you gotta work for it."

Nowak, Sparky and Fitz all hooked it up with shots. Combine that with 6 beers and it was a good night but not so good morning!

[GrandAdmiralDan]

steger asking if the RealGM boys can make some noise. Next thing you hear is a bunch of cheering. Sparky then asks why steger isn't at Fitzgibbons and he says I'm in bed with my wife, I have better things to do.

No excuse.

You can always go home to bed with the wife AFTER a night on Water Street. If she's fallen asleep, you just wake her up. Been there, done that.

With my ex-girlfriend I mean. Not with steger's wife.


That was a very amusing answer though. Sparky didn't know how to respond to that initially.

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Every minute that GAD is on the radio ripping Kohl is a minute he isn't making out with the extreme fan of the game.

Wait... what?
If this was an insde joke I missed from the game thread or something, someone please fill me in.

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Guys should have came out, it was a great time.

True.

Can't go wrong yelling things at Sparky all night. Props to Steger for the shout out. Ended up getting another girls number.

Yes, pretty much everyone seemed to enjoy themselves. BuckFan25226 broke his 100% attendance record though. Disappointing.

You know its a good night when you end up at ARTs.

No one has ever uttered that thought in the history of the world.
We tried our best to spot MD, but he is apparently a discreet patron

I just want to go on the record and say it was not my suggestion to go there. But blue_jeep was talking about heading home (and he was Nowak's ride) so I was in favor of whatever it took to prolong the evening as I wasn't done drinking yet at that point, and bigkurty didn't seem to either. Plus BuckFan25226 never got back to us about whether they were still at that 6 Degrees place and if we should meet them there (what happened?)

Anyway, for some reason someone decided we should go see for ourselves why Art's is the butt of so many jokes. So we did.

I have to give bigkurty mega-props for ordering a surprise lap dance for me. That's what I call being a friend to a fellow Buck's fan
He even picked out one of the better looking girls there (yeah, I know, it's all relative, but that's not the point).

They say with gifts that it's ultimately the thought that counts. In this case I have to agree. That gesture of good will on bigkurty's part made my day. It was a pleasant surprise to suddenly have one of the better looking strippers sneak up on me and whisper "You need to come with me" in my ear.

Unfortunately, it all went down hill after that stripper sat me down in that private section.

She gave about the worst lap dance in the history of western civilization. I don't have vast first hand experience on lap dances, but I do know what they are supposed to be like. I've seen other people get lap dances, for one thing. And I have had lap dances twice before over the years. Both were in Manhattan and both were quite excellent, honestly. I'm fairly certain in those cases those girls were hoping I'd pay them to go all the way (prior to that first instance I was unaware that prostitution was THAT prevalent still in Manhattan). In fact, I'm certain of it, since both of them just came out and asked, but that's a totally different story...
This one at Art's was terrible. Terrible.

There was point where she was like "Hey! I'm over here" because at a certain point I was bored with what was in front of me and started checking out the stripper in the opposite corner of the private section who was actually giving a more proper looking lap dance. Maybe if she had put a little more effort into her lap dance I wouldn't have got bored and started looking around.

I just think that lap dances are supposed to, you know, involve one's lap. Isn't that like a main component of lap dances? Stripper to lap contact with teasing and provocation in between? That's what the other stripper was doing. And that's what my previous lap dances involved. But even without that component, it still could have been a good private dance I suppose if she did it well. She didn't though. Very disappointing.

I got better treatment from the other strippers there that were just dancing for everyone on stage and stopping by my seat trying to earn a dollar. Some of them went the extra mile. I must applaud the effort. One of them even started kissing me for 2 seconds, which was pretty unexpected. I really wasn't prepared for that in that situation. She caught me off guard, otherwise I can't imagine I would have participated in that. I thought that was against the rules anyway. And who knows where that mouth has been

So anyway, after a few minutes in the private room, the music stopped and the worst lap dance of all time abruptly ended with the stripper saying. "Ok. That's it. You can tip me if you want."
I must have sat there for a second in disbelief. My response to her telling me "You can tip me if you want" was "And you could give me a real lap dance if you want."
I don't think she comprehended the insult though, because she just said something like, "Ok, well let me know if you want another one."
I gave up at that point and just walked back to my seat by the rest of our group.





Ok, I typed up the above response when I got back home last night, but I guess I was still a little out of it and I hit "preview" instead of "submit"
I can't let all of that go to waste though, so I decided I should still post it, despite the fact that the above was a drunken rambling and at this point I am of course totally sober....

[trwi7]

the worst lap dance of all time abruptly ended with the stripper saying. "Ok. That's it. You can tip me if you want."
I must have sat there for a second in disbelief. My response to her telling me "You can tip me if you want" was "And you could give me a real lap dance if you want."
I don't think she comprehended the insult though, because she just said something like, "Ok, well let me know if you want another one."
I gave up at that point and just walked back to my seat by the rest of our group.

Were your two lap dances in Manhattan bonerific? Oh man so much to talk about, maybe MD is a girl and she gave you the lap dance.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

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Nowak, Sparky and Fitz all hooked it up with shots. Combine that with 6 beers and it was a good night but not so good morning!

I need to add here that you definitely get your money's worth when ordering hard liquor at Fitzgibbons.

I started off ordering a Jack Daniels and club soda. They asked me if I wanted a tall. I said sure, and it ended up being $7. It isn't like the price was all that low relative to other Water Street bars, but it was reasonable. The difference is that when I've ordered that drink (I don't drink soda, fruit juice, or any sugary drinks anymore, which is the reason for the club soda) in other bars, it is usually pretty strong, but at Fitzgibbons it was REALLY strong. They basically gave me a pint glass 1/3 of the way filled up with ice, then basically filled it with almost all Jack Daniel's and maybe an ounce and a half of club soda

[Andrew34r]

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I need to add here that you definitely get your money's worth when ordering hard liquor at Fitzgibbons.

I started off ordering a Jack Daniels and club soda. They asked me if I wanted a tall. I said sure, and it ended up being $7. It isn't like the price was all that low relative to other Water Street bars, but it was reasonable. The difference is that when I've ordered that drink (I don't drink soda, fruit juice, or any sugary drinks anymore, which is the reason for the club soda) in other bars, it is usually pretty strong, but at Fitzgibbons it was REALLY strong. They basically gave me a pint glass 1/3 of the way filled up with ice, then basically filled it with almost all Jack Daniel's and maybe an ounce and a half of club soda

Next time I am going for the hard liquor for sure!

[GrandAdmiralDan]

And speaking of drinks, the Miller Lite on tap at Art's was terrible. It was like it was watered down and then had some hint of butterscotch somehow. It was gross. I thought the first one I had maybe was just some fluke, so I had another, but that was terrible too so I just switched to bottles.

Plus, there is something disconcerting about drinking some that is glowing nuclear green under the overhead black lights.

BTW, whoever thought those overhead black lights were a good idea at Art's is an idiot. For anyone unfamiliar with black lights, they tend to show dirt and "stains" not normally visible in standard light. Not a good idea at Art's. I didn't need to see some of those chairs, in particular, under a black light.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

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Were your two lap dances in Manhattan bonerific?

Not sure if I would have phrased it like that...
But I did say they were "excellent"
Draw your own conclusions

Oh man so much to talk about, maybe MD is a girl and she gave you the lap dance.

Hmm.
No, I don't think so.
It's evident that MD puts effort into things, as we all see with MD's efforts as forum mod. Anyone that puts that kind of effort into things could never give such a half-assed effort when they're supposed to be giving a lap dance. It was like watching Charlie Villanueva play defense.

[steger_3434]

Hell of a story Gad. I was listening to the post game show and I KNEW it was you guys just screaming about every caller the whole time. I didn't have much to say, basically I just wanted to give you guys a shoutout. I threw out the shoutout about RealGM and said there is nothign else to talk about. I even said I'd hang up and listen. Sparky said, "hold on, hold on, holnd, on and then asked me why I wasn't down there. I had to come up with a good response, which happened to be the truth. Everyone in the background erupted so I didn't hear what Sparky had to say after I said that. I would have liked to hear it or seen his face.

Anyways, Sparky kept me on a tad bit longer so I made my comment about practices looking so good because our average starters are going up against prossibly the worst bench in the NBA so of course they look good. I named names and whatnot, but that was basically what I said. Sparky tended to agree with me I guess.

[Nowak008]

It was great that you called in. What did you tell the producer? Should have came out. I promise that you won't get into too much trouble.

[bigkurty]

Yeah it was a lot of fun last night. Going to the post game show made it even better. I highly recommend you noshows show up next time. BTW, I asked Sparky flat out if he posts and he swore up and down he doesn't but that he reads so PP, you are wrong buddy. Both Doug Russell and Rhany Taylor showed up briefly for the post game show as well. I know they are all only radio personalities but it felt kind of like you were hanging with a bunch of local celebs to go along with the best Bucks fans. I also was able to get a shirt and ice scraper from WSSP which was cool. They also have this girl who works for them who is really cute (hook me up Sparky) and she took my picture with Nowak I believe. I am thinking they will put it on their site or something but it isn't up there yet.

Lets see, what else, umm Sparky is pretty damn cool. I totally want to go out drinking with that guy sometime.

Also, I am convinced Nowak has too much game. Every time we go out he gets a number it seems. I hope he remembers her name this time. I just really hope it works out cause he needs to see if he went black, if he would go back She was hot too. Good Luck with that Nowak.

So yeah Bluejeep was getting tired and like GAD said, we weren't done drinking so I think I brought up ART's. I used to live 3 blocks from there and while I agree it isn't top shelf, I knew it wasn't as bad as it gets made out to be so I thought I would see if they wanted to go. Turns out everybody was interested.

So we get to Art's and the first 3 or 4 girls were hot. Let me describe them. One was a beautiful blond with a great body who ended up dancing for GAD. Too bad she didn't know to give good lappers. The second one was all tatted up but OMG her body was smoking. She must give great lappers too since she was by far the most requested for that service. She would literally walk out from giving a lapper, grab another guy between songs and go give another one. This was repeated for the whole last hour. It was unreal. I wanted to get a lap dance from her to see what the fuss was about but she literally had a line of guys waiting for her in the wings. It was very strange. The third girl was something special too. She was 4'11" and had some hispanic blood in her. She came out to that "hips don't lie" song by Shakira and she knew how to move. I am a sucker for girls who dance well to that song but this girl was special. She had all the curves but was so tiny. She seemed like the ultimate sex toy or something. At the same time, she was so small, it was kind of weird too. I remember looking at her and thinking about what I could do to her and then thinking, man I don't know, she is like a little girl or something and that would be sick. So yeah my mind was very confused about it but damn I would have liked to take it for a test ride to see how it feels. haha.

Ok so after all that, we are thinking damn this place is pretty good. Then comes this black gal who looks pretty good but you can tell she is working to much and she didn't sell herself real well. Good strippers look you in the eye like they want you and they tease you playfully. This gal was treating it like I am at work. Thats the one where I said "Girl I ain't easy, you got to work for this dollar." So anyway, she gets off the stage and I am thinking thank god, bring those other girls back or something. But then what walks up, big chunky white girl with cellulite everywhere and a nice gut. I'm thinking WTF. Are you serious? You hired her as a stripper? I immediately had to walk away as did the rest of the guys. It was crazy.

So yeah thats Art's for you though. There will always be a few hotties in there and a few crappy girls in there. But if you go with friends like we had there, it's still pretty fun.

To finish it off, here are some pics

Seriously the Energee dance team is putting on some great shows this year and has really updated the costumes. They have had naughty little christmas outfits, 60's retro gear which was surprisingly hot, school girl outfits, and last night this lingerie gear.


Here are GAD's phones. The new one is pretty cool but man he was on the thing all night. I suppose the novelty will wear off but he was like those crackberry people.


Here is a picture of Sparky and I. I can't believe how ruthless he was being on the post game show. I applaud him for it but wow. If people thought the Hunt article was pretty stern, Hunt's article couldn't hold the post game shows jock last night.

Some more of you better make it out next time. It's fun.

[GO BUCK5]

the postgame show was great last night.. sparky hanging up on people, you guys booing every caller.. I was cracking up

[Andrew34r]

the postgame show was great last night.. sparky hanging up on people, you guys booing every caller.. I was cracking up

After a few beers it was really fun to boo every caller for no reason! We were trying to figure out if the callers could hear they were being booed lol I guess they could. Come down next time everybody! Even if you just go to the game and stay for the post game show like I did its a lot of fun. The people that post here are all cool people to hang with.

[Nowak008]

Also, I am convinced Nowak has too much game. Every time we go out he gets a number it seems. I hope he remembers her name this time. I just really hope it works out cause he needs to see if he went black, if he would go back She was hot too. Good Luck with that Nowak.

Never went on a date with a black girl. Got any advice on proceeding?

[bigkurty]

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Never went on a date with a black girl. Got any advice on proceeding?

The Black girl I dated was pretty much the same as most white girls I dated, treat her nice and like a lady and you should be fine. The one major difference I learned though was that she had had extensions and so I was not allowed to touch the hair, haha. I had no clue but I guess this is a big rule. What did I know though, I was a 23 year old white kid who knew very little about what exactly extensions were or how to spot them, haha. So yeah thats all I got. You have to let me know how it goes though. I had a lot of fun dating that gal especially since she was an Energee dancer too but that first time getting physical was very exciting.

[schweig]

For the White person who wants to be my friend
by Pat Parker

The first thing you must do is forget i'm Black.
Second, you must never forget i'm Black. ...


but she was a lesbian, so...