Giannis' Development part 3 - SI Cover/Article - Page 35

imithanos · Post #1401 » by **imithanos** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:57 pm

Milbuck wrote:https://streamable.com/isyga

top 10 player and all star starter, can't get his name right in like 20 tries lmao

pretty sure he called him westbrook at one point too

Yeah, on his block to AD.

jimmybones · Post #1402 » by **jimmybones** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:56 pm

imithanos wrote:
Milbuck wrote:https://streamable.com/isyga

top 10 player and all star starter, can't get his name right in like 20 tries lmao

pretty sure he called him westbrook at one point too

Yeah, on his block to AD.

Yeah, wasn't this in the first few possessions of the game? Without Westbrook on the court, or the same team for that matter. :lol:

Post #1403 » by **Prez** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:22 am

https://streamable.com/nnsrc

Coach Cal raving about Giannis, first time really seeing him was at the ASG and he was blown away and wishes he could've coached him in college

Really makes you wonder. Rookie Giannis would've slaughtered college competition.

Rockmaninoff · Post #1404 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:13 am

Milbuck wrote:https://streamable.com/nnsrc

Coach Cal raving about Giannis, first time really seeing him was at the ASG and he was blown away and wishes he could've coached him in college

Really makes you wonder. Rookie Giannis would've slaughtered college competition.

Coach Cal trying to coach the Bucks, or coach Giannis' brother or future sons???

Coach Cal always has an angle.

turbostef · Post #1405 » by **turbostef** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:37 am

Rockmaninoff wrote:
Milbuck wrote:https://streamable.com/nnsrc

Coach Cal raving about Giannis, first time really seeing him was at the ASG and he was blown away and wishes he could've coached him in college

Really makes you wonder. Rookie Giannis would've slaughtered college competition.

Coach Cal trying to coach the Bucks, or coach Giannis' brother or future sons???

Coach Cal always has an angle.

He better do so. Giannis has 2 younger brothers

Now that I have seekn pictures from Giannis' father in law I am quite sure that the Sons from Giannis
will be easily 7 feet :lol:

May be the Greeks will be the first NT to have 5 players on the court which have the same name :lol:

SKG · Post #1406 » by **SKG** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:01 am

Watch on YouTube

Magic Giannison · Post #1407 » by **Magic Giannison** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:39 am

Lol, im arguing with Bucks fans on bucks sub if Giannis is top 10 player this year.
Amazing how people claim AD and Boogie are better because of ppgs but ignore the fact that both AD and Boogie have 4 more Fgas, more Fts and more usage while neither of them play point.

Not to mention also that Giannis is better defender than both of them combined.....
https://www.reddit.com/r/MkeBucks/comments/5vc407/hello_bucks_fans_i_need_help_ranking_your_players/

Magic Giannison · Post #1408 » by **Magic Giannison** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:44 am

This is the guys ranking btw.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T18zYC8DtwVPbzEX06i9ShuDRVvaELQpQPSuptwjSbc/edit

turbostef · Post #1409 » by **turbostef** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:59 am

Magic Giannison wrote:This is the guys ranking btw.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T18zYC8DtwVPbzEX06i9ShuDRVvaELQpQPSuptwjSbc/edit

I just had a quick look at the ranking and put it aside immediately as I don't want to get mad.

Gobert over Giannis? Lowry? Thomas? Thompson?

Not even their own mother would take them over Giannis :lol:

Giannis is a Franchise Player and a Game changer at 22.

Gobert is just a good defender. Lowry just one of the better PGs in the League. Thomas is just a clutch player with worser
defense than Harden :lol:

Thompson isn't even the 2nd best Player on his team.

This is ranking is a joke.

Even if you put the "potential" aside and take only the status-quo ranking as per today Giannis
has better stats than 90% of those names and I don't even have to look this up.

Giannis leads his team in all categories and this alone makes him the MVP if the Bucks would be on a 3 or 4 seed.

So what has Giannis done wrong to be that low? Having Henson/Plumlee as his starting center?
Having to play with Guards like Brogdon or Delavedova as Starter?
Losing Jabari? Getting Mids back after 5 months in the season?

The Bucks Roster has potential. But after Jabari out there are much more teams with more youn talent in their roster
(e.g. Lakers, Wolves etc.) and still Giannis leads this team to a better record.

The Bucks Roster right now is not even close to be a solid Playoff Contender and still Giannis leads this team to having a
chance to play Play-Offs (if this is good or not is an other question).

Even after ASG Giannis is still underrated as fu..

If Boogie is better (even right now) try to trade Giannis and see if we get a better deal than what the Kings got :lol:

Yeah I know the kings just got so less because of Boogie being insane and **** but if you trade Giannis today
you would get a WHOLE Team of vets and it's not even close.

But yeah Boggie 11 Giannis 17. Go to hell idiots

Prince12 · Post #1410 » by **Prince12** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:54 am

Magic Giannison wrote:Lol, im arguing with Bucks fans on bucks sub if Giannis is top 10 player this year.
Amazing how people claim AD and Boogie are better because of ppgs but ignore the fact that both AD and Boogie have 4 more Fgas, more Fts and more usage while neither of them play point.

Not to mention also that Giannis is better defender than both of them combined.....
https://www.reddit.com/r/MkeBucks/comments/5vc407/hello_bucks_fans_i_need_help_ranking_your_players/

I think you can make a perfectly logical argument either way with those three players right now. Would I trade Giannis for them or anyone? No way but that doesnt mean it couldn't be argued they are better players right now.

Presence · Post #1411 » by **Presence** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:31 am

You cannot assemble a list of 10 players who are better than Giannis right now without being ridiculous.

Magic Giannison · Post #1412 » by **Magic Giannison** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:36 am

Prince12 wrote:
Magic Giannison wrote:Lol, im arguing with Bucks fans on bucks sub if Giannis is top 10 player this year.
Amazing how people claim AD and Boogie are better because of ppgs but ignore the fact that both AD and Boogie have 4 more Fgas, more Fts and more usage while neither of them play point.

Not to mention also that Giannis is better defender than both of them combined.....
https://www.reddit.com/r/MkeBucks/comments/5vc407/hello_bucks_fans_i_need_help_ranking_your_players/

I think you can make a perfectly logical argument either way with those three players right now. Would I trade Giannis for them or anyone? No way but that doesnt mean it couldn't be argued they are better players right now.

I don't disagree its just i stated that there is no way Giannis is not top 10 player this year. If you read the whole discussion ( im livnghitokiri) youl see that argument went only about numbers and stuff.I never tried to discredit Ad or DC,just find it ridiculous that Giannis is 17th.

skones · Post #1413 » by **skones** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:07 pm

Presence wrote:You cannot assemble a list of 10 players who are better than Giannis right now without being ridiculous.

It's really not as ridiculous as you're making it seem, but he is a bonafide top 15 player.

In no particular order:
Lebron
Curry
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Paul
Davis
Cousins
Wall
Leonard

Though conventional wisdom here would argue against Cousins and Davis, I think legitimate arguments CAN be made in their favor. Wall has ascended in my opinion with the way he's played this season and where he currently has the Wizards.

GuitarGod_Dan · Post #1414 » by **GuitarGod_Dan** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:22 pm

skones wrote:
Presence wrote:You cannot assemble a list of 10 players who are better than Giannis right now without being ridiculous.

It's really not as ridiculous as you're making it seem, but he is a bonafide top 15 player.

In no particular order:
Lebron
Curry
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Paul
Davis
Cousins
Wall
Leonard

Though conventional wisdom here would argue against Cousins and Davis, I think legitimate arguments CAN be made in their favor. Wall has ascended in my opinion with the way he's played this season and where he currently has the Wizards.

I think you can make a legitimate argument for any of those Players on your list, but in my opinion Giannis is on that list as well. I think he's in over Wall, Paul, and maybe even Kawai. I'm also not nearly as high on Westbrook as everyone seems to be. Gaudy stats, but on rediculous usage and fg%. Just my opinion of course.

Magic Giannison · Post #1415 » by **Magic Giannison** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:57 pm

Hey at least we arent deluded like Sixers fans that think embiid got more value than Giannis or is better player :lol:

3Diamantidis · Post #1416 » by **3Diamantidis** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:20 am

It's not delusional to think that a generational talent at C position might be the best talent in the league.
If i was sixers fan i would have the same opinion and nobody could convince me otherwise.
Same goes for nuggets and jokic.
And bucks fans have every right to believe that Giannis is that generational guy.
Fans will love their players and that is fair.

Prince12 · Post #1417 » by **Prince12** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:47 am

GuitarGod_Dan wrote:
skones wrote:
Presence wrote:You cannot assemble a list of 10 players who are better than Giannis right now without being ridiculous.

It's really not as ridiculous as you're making it seem, but he is a bonafide top 15 player.

In no particular order:
Lebron
Curry
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Paul
Davis
Cousins
Wall
Leonard

Though conventional wisdom here would argue against Cousins and Davis, I think legitimate arguments CAN be made in their favor. Wall has ascended in my opinion with the way he's played this season and where he currently has the Wizards.

I think you can make a legitimate argument for any of those Players on your list, but in my opinion Giannis is on that list as well. I think he's in over Wall, Paul, and maybe even Kawai. I'm also not nearly as high on Westbrook as everyone seems to be. Gaudy stats, but on rediculous usage and fg%. Just my opinion of course.

Ok well one player who is definitely on that list is Kawhi. There is no possible way you can argue he isn't a top ten player.

Shaffty · Post #1418 » by **Shaffty** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:55 am

skones wrote:
Presence wrote:You cannot assemble a list of 10 players who are better than Giannis right now without being ridiculous.

It's really not as ridiculous as you're making it seem, but he is a bonafide top 15 player.

In no particular order:
Lebron
Curry
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Paul
Davis
Cousins
Wall
Leonard

Though conventional wisdom here would argue against Cousins and Davis, I think legitimate arguments CAN be made in their favor. Wall has ascended in my opinion with the way he's played this season and where he currently has the Wizards.

Players not better than Giannis on this list

Westbrook, Paul, Davis, Cousins, Wall.

turbostef · Post #1419 » by **turbostef** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:10 pm

3Diamantidis wrote:It's not delusional to think that a generational talent at C position might be the best talent in the league.
If i was sixers fan i would have the same opinion and nobody could convince me otherwise.
Same goes for nuggets and jokic.
And bucks fans have every right to believe that Giannis is that generational guy.
Fans will love their players and that is fair.

Every fan has every right to believe what ever he want's :lol:

According to Croatian Posters (other Forum) Zubac, Zicic, Bender, Hezonja, Saric are generational talents also

For Saric I am sure (but not on NBA Level), Hezonja not so much. Those young croatian bigs seem to be very good.

Doncic can be a generational talent also (just had a discussion with some posters in the German Forum).

But at the end of the day Giannis is at superstar level right now. He showed it this season, in the ASG and he is a
top 15 (at least) guy right now.

Obviously - especially Giannis - it is quite propable that Giannis will succeed in the NBA because of his athletisicm.

Most Europeans don't have this athletisicm so some of the above mentioned guys (Croatians, Jokic etc.) COULD
become Superstars. But Giannis IS a Superstar and it is quite sure that he will become even better.

Doncic MAY be the best European ever (which I doubt). But right now he is a hyped youngster with a good shot and clutch skillz,
without any significant defense showing his skills on minor level (Euroleague).

In comparison to the NBA Superstars: Why would I have Butler or George over Giannis?
Giannis is on their level and is only 22. He reached their level within this season.
I don't say they are worser than him but obviously not (much) better than him.

Same goes for a lot of Names on that list (still laughing about Klay).

Or in other words: We are talking about GENERATIONAL Talent and Game Changers.

Does this rather fit to Giannis or George, Butler, Wall, etc.?

Damn I need some Bucks/Giannis Game. Been a long time!

GuitarGod_Dan · Post #1420 » by **GuitarGod_Dan** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:08 pm

Prince12 wrote:
GuitarGod_Dan wrote:
skones wrote:
It's really not as ridiculous as you're making it seem, but he is a bonafide top 15 player.

In no particular order:
Lebron
Curry
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Paul
Davis
Cousins
Wall
Leonard

Though conventional wisdom here would argue against Cousins and Davis, I think legitimate arguments CAN be made in their favor. Wall has ascended in my opinion with the way he's played this season and where he currently has the Wizards.

I think you can make a legitimate argument for any of those Players on your list, but in my opinion Giannis is on that list as well. I think he's in over Wall, Paul, and maybe even Kawai. I'm also not nearly as high on Westbrook as everyone seems to be. Gaudy stats, but on rediculous usage and fg%. Just my opinion of course.

Ok well one player who is definitely on that list is Kawhi. There is no possible way you can argue he isn't a top ten player.

Fair enough. It's of course really hard to rank the top 10-15 players in the league in any particular order. They all have rediculous strengths and minimal weaknesses. Apart from Lebron being #1, 2-15 are all just really really good, and we should be ecstatic that we have one of those players in Giannis.