The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[Bernman]

That is a phenomenal marketing video. They've always been strong on that side. Now just time to start appeasing fans with the play on the court and in action.

[paulpressey25]

Bucks need to do everything they can to sign Jabari to the Embiid style contract. It doesn’t need to have nearly as many protections as Embiids does, but just that could potentially avoid the albatross that his contract would be if (please god no) he injures his knee again.

Embiid's contract isn't really that team friendly.

Yeah, was tweeting on that earlier tonight, after extrapolating Embiid's contract guarantee percentages to Jabari's.

Here's why the Embiid deal, while "helpful" isn't a guaranteed answer.

A) Embiid's deal cost only gets reduced IF he misses 25 or more games in a year AND Philly then waives him. Using the Embiid numberss extrapolated to a 4/$106 deal for Jabari, we'd still owe Jabari $60 million if he blew out the ACL again next year and we waived him. We don't get to keep his rights. He has to be waived.

B) Jabari has to agree to which body parts are subject to the contract breakage. He might agree to the bad ACL and not the ACL on the other knee.

C) Jabari can get an offer sheet from another team that doesn't have any "Embiid" provisions in it at all. Or we could offer him 4/$106 with waiver provisions. Bulls could offer him 4/$90 with no Embiid waiver provisions. Or Bartelstein could say he'll agree to Embiid provisions but only if the Bucks offer that fifth contracts year.

Embiid agreed to his deal one year before he hit RFA. He got those guarantees because he had no leverage and wanted lifetime security. Jabari is still an RFA, but he's got leverage now to get an offer sheet with no buyout provisions, leverage that Embiid didn't have.

[skones]

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[KidA24]

What's lost in this, is that Prunty Power has a plan for minutes.

Not, "It's close, we got a chance, 40 minutes."

[FlagsFlyForever]

For reference, when Jabari returned in 2015, he averaged 16.9 minutes per game in his first two games. Then he averaged 24.1 minutes in next 12 games (while sitting out two games). Over his next 13 games, he averaged 27.8 minutes. After those 27 games, he was off restriction and averaged 35.2 minutes per game for the rest of the season.

[Dante80]

A healthy Jabari Parker is the answer to our offensive problems.
A healthy Jabari Parker in a standard non Kidd defense is not a "liability".

The only reason to trade the guy at this point is if he fetches a pretty good return. All Millwaukee fans should be rooting for him, so that he either stays, or fetches it.

[jmart762]

What's more of a risk with Jabari, that he gets a contract and slacks and/or isnt the same athlete/player and he's a disappointment, or that he tears another acl in either knee and is useless?

I'm excited to see him come back, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back and is improved from the get go. At his age, maturing occurs even without gametime. I remember coming back from my ACL tear in college, and being better against better competition after 6 months of not playing.

I love Jabari, he's got a special place in my heart, because I've torn my same acl twice as well (14 months apart), and I'm still playing!

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[Pachinko_]

I love Jabari, he's got a special place in my heart, because I've torn my same acl twice as well (14 months apart), and I'm still playing!

Nice, good for you!
We're told it's very rare, borderline unprecedented (in the NBA at least). Were you scared to put force on it after the 2nd time? Did you have to change your mechanics, are you still the same athletically?

[TJseven]

https://behindthebuckpass.com/2018/01/31/milwaukee-bucks-trade-season-jabari-parker-key-championship-hopes/

Completely agree with this article

Good read! You need stars to compete for a championship. And Middleton / Bledsoe are not good enough to be 2nd banana. I think its a must that they sign Parker and try to unload most of the bad contracts this offseason.

So.... damned if you do, damned if you don't. We've mismanaged this team so poorly that our only shot even with Giannis is a health hail mary.

That's depressing.

Everything in me screams an otto porter contract would be a huge mistake. I hate being wrong... but I want to be soo very wrong.

[Pachinko_]

https://behindthebuckpass.com/2018/01/31/milwaukee-bucks-trade-season-jabari-parker-key-championship-hopes/

Completely agree with this article

Good read! You need stars to compete for a championship. And Middleton / Bledsoe are not good enough to be 2nd banana. I think its a must that they sign Parker and try to unload most of the bad contracts this offseason.

So.... damned if you do, damned if you don't. We've mismanaged this team so poorly that our only shot even with Giannis is a health hail mary.

That's depressing.

So you sign him or not?

[TJseven]

Good read! You need stars to compete for a championship. And Middleton / Bledsoe are not good enough to be 2nd banana. I think its a must that they sign Parker and try to unload most of the bad contracts this offseason.

So.... damned if you do, damned if you don't. We've mismanaged this team so poorly that our only shot even with Giannis is a health hail mary.

That's depressing.

So you sign him or not?

I'm a gambler... and everything in me is screaming no. And as I just added to my last post... i want to be soo wrong this time and I HATE being wrong. I am a sports nerd through and through and care about the accuracy of my stance because I put effort into having an informed take. I want to be histories fool on this one some day.

At the same time, adding a star... our caps a mess so thats a hail mary too. Jack for assets. I've been pro daj as a value idea but man I hate watching daj play. He's a underwhelming freak who is quickly becoming a dinosaur in this game. If we only took portis, or sabonis, or collins. A mean big who can pnp and will crash the boards like he wants to. Thats needed more than daj. Secondary issue, giannis mids play 70 of 96 minutes at 2-3. Bari needs more than 26 if maxed and i dont trust mids vs 2s. 8 minutes a game of giannis at C is the only way they all fit.

Dreaming on jabari, with a hustle rangey bruiser effort C, brogs brown, snell can go or stay I dont care. Bled and a speedy 3d pg... not delly. And a good coach, not simply an nba coach, but a good one. Put us in east threat territory. Gsw hou... yeah not likely but a few tweaks and a good coach could get there. When you look at #2C 10 mil, unneeded backup pg 9mil. All but retired pf 10 mil. Un-needed sg 11 mil. If the dude can just stay healthy....

[jmart762]

I love Jabari, he's got a special place in my heart, because I've torn my same acl twice as well (14 months apart), and I'm still playing!

Nice, good for you!
We're told it's very rare, borderline unprecedented (in the NBA at least). Were you scared to put force on it after the 2nd time? Did you have to change your mechanics, are you still the same athletically?

At first, yeah, I was cautious and conscious of it, but with enough shooting around and gameplay you forget about it pretty quickly, at least in my experience. I don't think about it hardly at all anymore, especially if the ball is in my hands, I still drive as aggressively as I ever have, though I'm not as explosive as when I worked out or exercised 20-30 hrs a week. I have hope for him, because he seemed to play naturally after the first tear, mentally he seems confident.

Also, on defense I slack though. My torn meniscus can pinch and be painful if I go side to side sometimes. Did he damage that too? Imagine so, but I'd be surprised if he didn't have that completely taken care of with professional care. I didn't change my mechanics, just wear a brace (they said it's 50/50 on if it actually works). Interesting enough, they think my issue was that I am missing or have an inactive nerve in my glute that doesn't active and keep my hip tight and prevent my knee from twisting. They hooked the electrodes up and everything and I literally couldn't engage one muscle, so my knee can bow out laterally. That's why I wear the brace now (I didn't wear before my second tear). I don't think Jabari is wearing one and didn't last time either.

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[JEIS]

That would be a cold blooded move to trade Jabari before Friday's game.

[Dante80]

That would be a cold blooded move to trade Jabari before Friday's game.

If you thought Ainge did IT dirty, think about Jabari and the Bucks in this deadline. Especially after that video.

Of course, business is business.

[Diggr14]

That would be a cold blooded move to trade Jabari before Friday's game.

Ain’t happening. He is Robin to Giannis Batman.. for at least the next 5 years if they want him to be.

Smart move is keeping him in the fold. If you need to trade anyone, trade a guy with more value, less upside like Khris Middleton or Eric Bledsoe.

[TJseven]

When we got Bled I was very skeptical as to which Bled we'd be getting. His defense came along with him so I am content. It was a good trade. However the more I see him outside of a pnr offense and the more I see him making sloppy passes and taking midrange crap, the more I wonder if I'd rather have George Hill.

If the team flips him I won't be upset but we'll need a pg who can actually stay with pgs on defense. I don't think we have a single one besides him on the roster.

All in all he looks like a good value pickup, and bad fit.

[Wisky4life]

What is worse. Let him sign an offer sheet and leave or let him get an offer sheet that is max and we sign sign it?

I only would want to pay the man $15 mil max a year, but we know he is going to get a lot more than that.

[buckboy]

All for trading Jabari for the right player. Whiteside isn't that player.

I'd do Parker/Delly/Henson for Whiteside easily.

Doubt Miami would agree to take those guys back.

I don't think we need another guy who needs the ball in his hands. Certainly not a centre at his price.

Anything to get out of paying Parker while gaining assets is a win in my book. And we get an excellent player while jettisoning two stiffs. Not saying Whiteside is ideal, but he's a net positive.

I'm also assuming he opts out after next year, which I can't believe he woulen't barring injury.

[Perishable517]

Let's face it, no one knows how this team will do once Parker is integrated into the rotation. And it's going to take awhile. So hopefully the panic button will be muted should we not win every game and Parker doesn't average 20+ right off the bat.

Mute the panic button? On this board?

Crazy talk!

[Ron Swanson]

If the idea is that you need a true 2nd-tier star to win a title, and neither Bledsoe or Middleton are that while Jabari at least has the potential to be, then what are you trading him for that possibly gets you that 2nd-tier star? People just think that having cap room means that you're in contention to sign or acquire someone like that when the reality is less likely than people want to admit.

So say that you let all your contracts expire after next season (lose Bledsoe and Middleton for nothing in UFA) and you have max cap room to play with. Who you targeting? How are you building the rest of your roster? You prepared to pony up huge salary for mid-tier FA's like JJ Reddick, Enes Kanter, Nikola Vucevic, or Danny Green when the super-max guys re-up or sign elsewhere? Put all your eggs in the "pay 30-year old Kemba Walker a max contract" basket? Keep in mind that I'm not even opposed to trading Jabari, but "Sacrifice Jabari for cap relief" isn't really much of a plan at all, because salary cap room itself isn't inherently valuable. I'm looking well beyond 2019 to form the next superteam when Giannis is only 23 (Anthony Davis in 2021 says hi).

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2019/