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[AussieBuck]

So what if Morey calls you up and says:

“Simmons and our 2023 and 2025 first round picks (top five protected) for Jrue and DDV?’

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(and no don’t bookmark this and say PP wants to dump Jrue. This is for board debate, because it is an interesting discussion. We’d damage our 2022 title chances quite a bit here in exchange for more asset runway over the next 4-5 years)

Nah, can't see Giannis liking Ben at all, not saying that's all there is to this but it's enough.

[LuessiT]

So what if Morey calls you up and says:

“Simmons and our 2023 and 2025 first round picks (top five protected) for Jrue and DDV?’

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(and no don’t bookmark this and say PP wants to dump Jrue. This is for board debate, because it is an interesting discussion. We’d damage our 2022 title chances quite a bit here in exchange for more asset runway over the next 4-5 years)

I think you certainly do due diligence. You put the feelers on Ben, on Giannis and around the league what you could get for Simmons and the picks potentially. I don't think a deal materializes but the framework does have the potential to make us better.

[aboveAverage]

So what if Morey calls you up and says:

“Simmons and our 2023 and 2025 first round picks (top five protected) for Jrue and DDV?’

Read on Twitter

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(and no don’t bookmark this and say PP wants to dump Jrue. This is for board debate, because it is an interesting discussion. We’d damage our 2022 title chances quite a bit here in exchange for more asset runway over the next 4-5 years)

Hell to the no for trading Jrue for Simmons.

[aboveAverage]

I think after all those years where we had to come up with dream trade scenarios to give us a chance to win a playoff series, you guys don’t know what do do with a championship team. You’re constantly looking to tinker with it or make trades just for the sake of making trades.

This is a championship squad for the next two years at least. You don’t do anything to the core of this team. All you have to do is tinker around the edges. You don’t get the kind of chemistry and balance we have with our big three very often. Trading for a Prima Donna headcase who can’t hit a layup or jump shot in the playoffs is exactly how you ruin this window we have.

Just breathe easy, let the guys get into a rhythm, get healthy, let Horst do his trade deadline magic, and enjoy another deep playoff run and potential championship.

[RiotPunch]

It's a site called RealGM, I'll never stop posting hypothetical trades!

Never!

[TroyD92]

It's a site called RealGM, I'll never stop posting hypothetical trades!

Never!

In the spirit

Jrue for De'Aaron Fox.

[HKPackFan]

I think after all those years where we had to come up with dream trade scenarios to give us a chance to win a playoff series, you guys don’t know what do do with a championship team. You’re constantly looking to tinker with it or make trades just for the sake of making trades.

This is a championship squad for the next two years at least. You don’t do anything to the core of this team. All you have to do is tinker around the edges. You don’t get the kind of chemistry and balance we have with our big three very often. Trading for a Prima Donna headcase who can’t hit a layup or jump shot in the playoffs is exactly how you ruin this window we have.

Just breathe easy, let the guys get into a rhythm, get healthy, let Horst do his trade deadline magic, and enjoy another deep playoff run and potential championship.

Winning is too boring for this crowd I guess.

Jrue was the missing piece, it's goofy to trade away the missing core piece. He's so perfect for Milwaukee, humble, blue collar, hardworking. Doesn't need the glory or the big lights, family man, contributes to make the community better.

That's barely touching his ability to lights out ball, and be one of the best defenders in the NBA and two way players, and he's ready to step up at the big moment and make a clutch play. He could miss the the broad side of a barn all game and then make a dagger 3 when the team is absolutely desperate. And he can make incredible plays as a PG on D or getting beautiful assists.

He's probably the second best PG in the history of Milwaukee?? At least top three.


He's 100% proven everything he needs to prove that he's the final piece of the core for a championship.

That's all facts, everything else is hopes, and dreams, theoretical. Plenty of hits and misses with draft capital, and plenty of guys don't fit.

[RiotPunch]

Not advocating for trading Jrue (even though I'd move him for Hali+), but it is healthy to have these big-picture exercises.

As Bucks fans, we've been conditioned to be forever paranoid.

[JimmyTheKid]

I think after all those years where we had to come up with dream trade scenarios to give us a chance to win a playoff series, you guys don’t know what do do with a championship team. You’re constantly looking to tinker with it or make trades just for the sake of making trades.

This is a championship squad for the next two years at least. You don’t do anything to the core of this team. All you have to do is tinker around the edges. You don’t get the kind of chemistry and balance we have with our big three very often. Trading for a Prima Donna headcase who can’t hit a layup or jump shot in the playoffs is exactly how you ruin this window we have.

Just breathe easy, let the guys get into a rhythm, get healthy, let Horst do his trade deadline magic, and enjoy another deep playoff run and potential championship.

Winning is too boring for this crowd I guess.

Jrue was the missing piece, it's goofy to trade away the missing core piece. He's so perfect for Milwaukee, humble, blue collar, hardworking. Doesn't need the glory or the big lights, family man, contributes to make the community better.

That's barely touching his ability to lights out ball, and be one of the best defenders in the NBA and two way players, and he's ready to step up at the big moment and make a clutch play. He could miss the the broad side of a barn all game and then make a dagger 3 when the team is absolutely desperate. And he can make incredible plays as a PG on D or getting beautiful assists.

He's probably the second best PG in the history of Milwaukee?? At least top three.


He's 100% proven everything he needs to prove that he's the final piece of the core for a championship.

That's all facts, everything else is hopes, and dreams, theoretical. Plenty of hits and misses with draft capital, and plenty of guys don't fit.

Honestly I think this is the case for a large number of folks here. And thats just the nature of Internet forums or news of any kind. Steady is boring. Chaotic gets the views, clicks, and comments. Some simply prefer the dramatics of an ever changing roster via trades, drafts, free agency. Its fine. Whatever floats your boat. But yeah, I'll keep Jrue/Khris/Giannis together (Bucks 11-0 when all three play this year) until the wheels fall off thank you very much.

[emunney]

Still have the same opinion I had last time this came up, which is I couldn't trade Jrue for Simmons, but I'd have to at least know what teams are willing to give up for Simmons. If I'm getting Simmons+ from Philly, and then getting Turner/Brogdon+ for Simmons, that's something I need to think about.

[LuessiT]

Still have the same opinion I had last time this came up, which is I couldn't trade Jrue for Simmons, but I'd have to at least know what teams are willing to give up for Simmons. If I'm getting Simmons+ from Philly, and then getting Turner/Brogdon+ for Simmons, that's something I need to think about.

I'm also intrigued by any version that nets us Maxey. He's awesome.

[raferfenix]

No way do I trade Jrue for Baby Ben.

If anything the Blazers blew it by not beating the Bucks' godfather offer for Holiday in the first place:

A factor in keeping McCollum in Portland had always been Olshey, who in the summer of 2020 was offered Jrue Holiday for McCollum and three first-round picks. Olshey turned it down, in part because he would have only one guaranteed season of Holiday before he became a free agent. In truth, Olshey loved McCollum. Always did since the night he drove through a snowstorm to watch McCollum play at Lehigh. The game left an impression on Olshey, even though McCollum missed a potential game-winner. What stuck with Olshey was how McCollum stayed on the court, crushed. He felt he was watching a player who lived and breathed the game, and would do anything to get better.

https://theathletic.com/3002581/2021/12/07/inside-the-mind-of-cj-mccollum-a-conversation-and-a-text-message-show-the-blazers-guards-current-struggle/?source=emp_shared_article

They would have had 2 better seasons during Lillard's prime and wouldn't be faced with having to make that same trade + additional picks for Simmons now.

[LuessiT]

No way do I trade Jrue for Baby Ben.

If anything the Blazers blew it by not beating the Bucks' godfather offer for Holiday in the first place:

A factor in keeping McCollum in Portland had always been Olshey, who in the summer of 2020 was offered Jrue Holiday for McCollum and three first-round picks. Olshey turned it down, in part because he would have only one guaranteed season of Holiday before he became a free agent. In truth, Olshey loved McCollum. Always did since the night he drove through a snowstorm to watch McCollum play at Lehigh. The game left an impression on Olshey, even though McCollum missed a potential game-winner. What stuck with Olshey was how McCollum stayed on the court, crushed. He felt he was watching a player who lived and breathed the game, and would do anything to get better.

https://theathletic.com/3002581/2021/12/07/inside-the-mind-of-cj-mccollum-a-conversation-and-a-text-message-show-the-blazers-guards-current-struggle/?source=emp_shared_article

They would have had 2 better seasons during Lillard's prime and wouldn't be faced with having to make that same trade + additional picks for Simmons now.

Nah they didn't blow it. CJ >> Bledsoe, their picks >> our picks, Jrue may not have resigned. Asking for a similar package in terms of picks is insulting.

[tydett]

Loyalty is the worst thing in sports, for all involved. Yet it's also quintessential because fans want to believe they mean something to players who wear laundry with their city's name on it. Players shouldn't be loyal to organizations that will clearly trade them if it improves their situation, organizations shouldn't be loyal to players whose ability to play can fall off a cliff at any time, and fans shouldn't be loyal to organizations that will hold them hostage to build new stadiums but then cheap out on the margins to save themselves money.

Unfortunately, we have a lot of guys who are really easy to be loyal to. Giannis, Jrue and Khris are three really good men who have demonstrated they like being around us. I'm happy to be blinded by that loyalty and say that we shouldn't get rid of those guys, but the reality is that successful organizations can put aside that loyalty and make the tough decision of when it's time to move on. I would hate a Jrue trade, but also realize that it is probably going to happen within the next 3 years just due to external factors.

[WRau1]

If we could reroute Jrue to the above suggested Indy deal or to the Kings and grab some of their young guys, that could possibly work. If we could trade Jrue + Hood/Nwora/Semi then end up with a combo of some of Haliburton + Bagley + Barnes + picks + Maxey, that would be interesting.

[EastSideBucksFan]

So what if Morey calls you up and says:

“Simmons and our 2023 and 2025 first round picks (top five protected) for Jrue and DDV?’

Read on Twitter

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(and no don’t bookmark this and say PP wants to dump Jrue. This is for board debate, because it is an interesting discussion. We’d damage our 2022 title chances quite a bit here in exchange for more asset runway over the next 4-5 years)

Hell no

Ben Simmons is not an asset, he's a headcase and severely overrated.

Sixers will not get a franchise talent back in return, they'll have to settle for a CJ McCollum type package, but it appears they refuse to accept reality at this point

I can't remember a guy tanking his own career and being more unaware about himself

That's why a Kyrie-Simmons swap makes some sense

But, I think we see a John Wall-Ben Simmons swap at the deadline as Morey starts to accept that their window with Embiid is growing smaller by the year.

[Ron Swanson]

Guys like Lowry, CP3, Lebron (he's an outlier but still), Conley, and Curry are all still killing it in their mid-30s. Sure, guys can "fall off a cliff" at any time in their careers, but being constantly paranoid that they will leads to just as many dumb far-sighted roster moves as the opposite line of thinking (complacency). Anthony Davis is arguably already declining at 27 years old. Jrue and Khris are 31 and 30 respectively. I have no idea if they decline in the next 2-3 years, but it's not really a gamble I'm willing to take and I think for clarity sake, smart GM's have stopped looking at player "assets" over the age of 30 as ticking time bombs.

[chonestown]

I can't remember a guy tanking his own career and being more unaware about himself

Hey now

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[EastSideBucksFan]

I can't remember a guy tanking his own career and being more unaware about himself

Hey now

Watch on YouTube

After reading Mirin Fader's Giannis book, the Larry Sanders saga and Kidd being a psycho, I am much more sympathetic towards understanding why Larry walked away from the game to save his sanity. Especially after he was able to deal with Scott Skiles as coach and thrive under him because at least he was a real coach. Just more of a regular ahole too.

Simmons just plain refuses to be coached by all accounts

[Matches Malone]

No interest in a Holiday for Simmons swap. Both talented, especially defensively, but Jrue is on another level when it comes to mental fortitude and I think that counts for something. Jrue came here and had a lot of pressure on him to help us get over the hump. He took on that challenge and never wavered. Simmons took his ball and went home at the first sign of adversity.