Griffin fired!- Doc Hired - Joerger likely on his way

JayMKE · Post #1421 » by **JayMKE** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:29 pm

I'm not sure I see the logic of them paying dead money to Budenholzer & Griffin meaning they'd be just as quick to carry more, we're at the end of the rope and Doc had Horst by the balls.

Doc is going to be coaching the Milwaukee Bucks for the foreseeable future, he'd have to totally **** the bed in humiliating fashion for his seat to even get warm this season

Karsenmitsche · Post #1422 » by **Karsenmitsche** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:33 pm

Makes Doc the coach for at least the next 2 years in the prime window for contending. How tf did this all happen man.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #1423 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:33 pm

I think there is a strong possibility we don't make this move, don't trade for Dame, don't resign Brolo and Midds if we don't have Haslem. He definitely has his faults, but the owners are spending a lot of money on this team in a small market. We got pretty lucky having Kohl and the current owners compared to other teams in the league.

Karsenmitsche · Post #1424 » by **Karsenmitsche** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:34 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Years on contracts don’t mean much anymore so that’s not a worry if he ends up not being the guy.

I’m more just in awe of how Doc continues to land gigs and that Horst would risk tying his job to a coach that continually fails. Desperation sucks.

I don’t think Horst is the one making this hire

SirChurros · Post #1425 » by **SirChurros** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:37 pm

JayMKE wrote:I'm not sure I see the logic of them paying dead money to Budenholzer & Griffin meaning they'd be just as quick to carry more, we're at the end of the rope and Doc had Horst by the balls.

Doc is going to be coaching the Milwaukee Bucks for the foreseeable future, he'd have to totally **** the bed in humiliating fashion for his seat to even get warm this season

It doesn’t really matter if it’s logical or not, it matters if they want to pay it. Bud and Grier’s contracts are peanuts to Haslam.

That said, I think if Doc **** up big time, he and Horst are gone.

SirChurros · Post #1426 » by **SirChurros** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:38 pm

Karsenmitsche wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:Years on contracts don’t mean much anymore so that’s not a worry if he ends up not being the guy.

I’m more just in awe of how Doc continues to land gigs and that Horst would risk tying his job to a coach that continually fails. Desperation sucks.

I don’t think Horst is the one making this hire

You think Edens and Haslam were pining for Doc? Doc feels much more like Horst getting desperate.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #1427 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:40 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Years on contracts don’t mean much anymore so that’s not a worry if he ends up not being the guy.

I’m more just in awe of how Doc continues to land gigs and that Horst would risk tying his job to a coach that continually fails. Desperation sucks.

Doc knows how to be an NBA Littlefinger better than most when it comes to getting/keeping jobs, that's for sure. Collecting fat paychecks from ESPN while simultaneously seeing the mess we made hiring Griffin and worming his way into a $40 million job coaching two Top 75 all time players before the ink is dry on that ESPN deal. He wasn't taking any random job but he's smart enough to know all he has to do is be an average coach to look like a genius compared to Griffin.

emunney · Post #1428 » by **emunney** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:45 pm

blazza18 wrote:Giannis doesn’t want to get involved in any decision making. It’s not his job. Meanwhile his brother has been on the roster for like 6 years.

It's pretty evident to me that having Thanasis around is good for Giannis - and by extension the team - whether or not Giannis is advocating to keep him on the roster. If it's evident to me, it's evident to our FO.

Rodman didn't demand Jack Haley. Jack Haley just knew what he was good at, and people noticed.

raysbookclub · Post #1429 » by **raysbookclub** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:45 pm

Interesting to wonder whether the Bucks would, if they had the choice, prefer Stotts to Doc or Doc to Stotts for the next 2.5 years. Stotts was there in case of this very scenario, first-year head coach Griffin imploding and being let go mid-season. If Stotts had stuck it out and swallowed his frustration, would the Bucks be in a better position with him as coach rather than Doc?

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #1430 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:48 pm

Guys posting we should give doc a short term, low guarantee contract are equivalent to someone on reddit posting we should offer PG the vet min. Was never realistic.

Shaffty · Post #1431 » by **Shaffty** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:49 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Thanks, Jimmy.

only response we should have tbh

emunney · Post #1432 » by **emunney** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:49 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:
Karsenmitsche wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:Years on contracts don’t mean much anymore so that’s not a worry if he ends up not being the guy.

I’m more just in awe of how Doc continues to land gigs and that Horst would risk tying his job to a coach that continually fails. Desperation sucks.

I don’t think Horst is the one making this hire

You think Edens and Haslam were pining for Doc? Doc feels much more like Horst getting desperate.

I do think Edens and Haslam were pining for Doc.

Profound23 · Post #1433 » by **Profound23** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:49 pm

raysbookclub wrote:Interesting to wonder whether the Bucks would, if they had the choice, prefer Stotts to Doc or Doc to Stotts for the next 2.5 years. Stotts was there in case of this very scenario, first-year head coach Griffin imploding and being let go mid-season. If Stotts had stuck it out and swallowed his frustration, would the Bucks be in a better position with him as coach rather than Doc?

Or Scott Skiles, Terry Porter, Larry K....the possibilities of Milwaukee retreads are endless.

yannisk · Post #1434 » by **yannisk** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:50 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:Years on contracts don’t mean much anymore so that’s not a worry if he ends up not being the guy.

I’m more just in awe of how Doc continues to land gigs and that Horst would risk tying his job to a coach that continually fails. Desperation sucks.

Doc knows how to be an NBA Littlefinger better than most when it comes to getting/keeping jobs, that's for sure. Collecting fat paychecks from ESPN while simultaneously seeing the mess we made hiring Griffin and worming his way into a $40 million job coaching two Top 75 all time players before the ink is dry on that ESPN deal. He's smart enough to know all he has to do is be an average coach to look like a genius compared to Griffin.

if he is like Littlefinger he probably adviced Griff in a way to make sure he gets fired

ABucksFan · Post #1435 » by **ABucksFan** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:52 pm

Can't ever say the owners cheaped out. They are paying the lux tax and spending on coaches. Good or Bad glad ownership is going for it.

TroyD92 · Post #1436 » by **TroyD92** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:53 pm

Curious what the staff will look like. Joerger is a must imo

M-C-G · Post #1437 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:53 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:
Karsenmitsche wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:Years on contracts don’t mean much anymore so that’s not a worry if he ends up not being the guy.

I’m more just in awe of how Doc continues to land gigs and that Horst would risk tying his job to a coach that continually fails. Desperation sucks.

I don’t think Horst is the one making this hire

You think Edens and Haslam were pining for Doc? Doc feels much more like Horst getting desperate.

I suspect they gave Horst the power to hire AG. Horst probably wanted Nurse, got negative feedback on him and thought well AG should be able to give us a lot of the good without so much of the bad and made that call when Giannis gave the thumbs up. The owners probably you've earned the right to make the call BUT if it doesn't work out we are going with our guy.

It's not hard to see Edens right in the front row disappointed in how they are playing. So the owners probably took the lead in bringing Doc in as a consultant and did that knowing they would likely make him the 'break in case of emergency' option if AG was failing. I would guess Horst had almost zero influence in this hire.

JayMKE · Post #1438 » by **JayMKE** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:53 pm

I think Doc likely would have been one of their top choices even if the team waited until the offseason to fill the vacancy full-time. Doc's a charismatic guy and basically NBA royalty so I get why he keeps getting jobs, Jason Kidd is a notorious **** and on his 3rd HC job because of how respected as a player he was.

ABucksFan · Post #1439 » by **ABucksFan** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:55 pm

$40 mil and lux tax is nothing for Haslam, guy gave Deshaun a fully guaranteed $230M+ contract lol

BigO · Post #1440 » by **BigO** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:57 pm

JayMKE wrote:I'm not sure I see the logic of them paying dead money to Budenholzer & Griffin meaning they'd be just as quick to carry more, we're at the end of the rope and Doc had Horst by the balls.

Doc is going to be coaching the Milwaukee Bucks for the foreseeable future, he'd have to totally **** the bed in humiliating fashion for his seat to even get warm this season

Why does Doc have Horst by the balls? Is Doc really Red Auerbach?

The Bucks need a good x's and o's guy who is a decent communicator and the players will listen to.

I'm one of the few here, I guess, that would have been fine with Prunty for the rest of the season. In one game I can list five things he changed from the entire rest of the season. He showed it's not illegal to have Dame and Giannis in pick and rolls more than once a game.

Not my money, but the idea that Doc Rivers was in such demand by Horst is as ridiculous as Horst having Griffin as one of the three finalists.