Griffin fired!- Doc Hired - Joerger likely on his way

emunney · Post #1441 » by **emunney** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:58 pm

The good news is the owners have apparently no problem giving money away. The bad news is it's not to me.

Shaffty · Post #1442 » by **Shaffty** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:05 pm

BigO wrote:
JayMKE wrote:I'm not sure I see the logic of them paying dead money to Budenholzer & Griffin meaning they'd be just as quick to carry more, we're at the end of the rope and Doc had Horst by the balls.

Doc is going to be coaching the Milwaukee Bucks for the foreseeable future, he'd have to totally **** the bed in humiliating fashion for his seat to even get warm this season

The Bucks need a good x's and o's guy who is a decent communicator and the players will listen to.

that is not what they need

SirChurros · Post #1443 » by **SirChurros** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:05 pm

emunney wrote:The good news is the owners have apparently no problem giving money away. The bad news is it's not to me.

They should give this board $100m to split as a consulting fee.

MVP2110 · Post #1444 » by **MVP2110** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:09 pm

It is pretty wild to see Doc go from a guy who wasn't even a candidate for us last offseason to a guy we are willing to throw the bag at and commit to longterm.

MVP2110 · Post #1445 » by **MVP2110** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:16 pm

Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Shaq, Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Joel Embiid, James Harden. Now add Giannis, Dame, & Khris. Has a coach ever coached more HOF level players in their career than Doc Rivers?

Post #1446 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:21 pm

Good for Doc. He got $10 million more than I thought he'd get. But is it for 3.5 years, so I wasn't far off with the 3/$30 number.

Guy is a master of working the boardroom. An absolute master. He makes John Hammond look like a hobo in that regard. And Hammond was good.

jschligs · Post #1447 » by **jschligs** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:23 pm

I am hopeful Doc actually shows he's a solid hire with the talent we have and not having to deal with headcases like he has. And we're not facing the same juggernauts as he was. I hope many of you have to eat crow.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #1448 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:31 pm

jschligs wrote:I am hopeful Doc actually shows he's a solid hire with the talent we have and not having to deal with headcases like he has. And we're not facing the same juggernauts as he was. I hope many of you have to eat crow.

I see him as being pretty similar to Bud, which obviously cuts both ways. People were dying to move on from Bud but we also won a championship (with a really good chance to repeat if Khris doesn't get hurt) with him at the helm. In summary, sign me up for another title and then everybody desperately wanting Doc fired a few years from now.

German Athens · Post #1449 » by **German Athens** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:33 pm

MVP2110 wrote:Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Shaq, Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Joel Embiid, Jimmy Butler, James Harden. Now add Giannis, Dame, & Khris. Has a coach ever coached more HOF level players in their career than Doc Rivers?

Your larger point stands, but he never coached Jimmy. Doc’s first season in Philly was 2021 which was jimmy’s second season in Miami.

packer396 · Post #1450 » by **packer396** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:36 pm

raysbookclub wrote:Interesting to wonder whether the Bucks would, if they had the choice, prefer Stotts to Doc or Doc to Stotts for the next 2.5 years. Stotts was there in case of this very scenario, first-year head coach Griffin imploding and being let go mid-season. If Stotts had stuck it out and swallowed his frustration, would the Bucks be in a better position with him as coach rather than Doc?

Probably fairly similar, but in hindsight it seems clear that Griffin realized how easy of a change this would be for ownership to make and wanted Stotts out. Don't think there's a world where this was actually a realistic scenario

MVP2110 · Post #1451 » by **MVP2110** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:36 pm

German Athens wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Shaq, Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Joel Embiid, Jimmy Butler, James Harden. Now add Giannis, Dame, & Khris. Has a coach ever coached more HOF level players in their career than Doc Rivers?

Your larger point stands, but he never coached Jimmy. Doc’s first season in Philly was 2021 which was jimmy’s second season in Miami.

Ah good catch. Thanks

Post #1452 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:39 pm

BigO wrote:The Bucks need a good x's and o's guy who is a decent communicator and the players will listen to.

Think ownership realized they needed a guy of equal stature with the veteran all-stars on the team. That's Doc's strength.

Dave Joerger will provide the x and o's stuff.

I actually think this could work out tremendously well.

MVP2110 · Post #1453 » by **MVP2110** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:41 pm

One thing I'll give Doc is I do think he outcoached Mazzula in that series last year despite Philly losing. I don't think Mazzula is some great coach or anything but if we face-off against Boston in the playoffs I'm fairly confident Doc will atleast hold his own there. No against Spo or Nurse I'm not so sure

CharityStripe34 · Post #1454 » by **CharityStripe34** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:42 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:
emunney wrote:The good news is the owners have apparently no problem giving money away. The bad news is it's not to me.

They should give this board $100m to split as a consulting fee.

Voodoo as Executive VP of Fan Experience at Fiserv.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #1455 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:42 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
BigO wrote:The Bucks need a good x's and o's guy who is a decent communicator and the players will listen to.

Think ownership realized they needed a guy of equal stature with the veteran all-stars on the team. That's Doc's strength.

Dave Joerger will provide the x and o's stuff.

I actually think this could work out tremendously well.

I take it you think he's likely to come over with Doc? It would make me feel a lot better if he's here to help manage the actual on court x's and o's like you said.

emunney · Post #1456 » by **emunney** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:44 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:
emunney wrote:The good news is the owners have apparently no problem giving money away. The bad news is it's not to me.

They should give this board $100m to split as a consulting fee.

Just give me a stack to throw at guitar parts and I'm cool.

German Athens · Post #1457 » by **German Athens** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:46 pm

I will say the only team he had that was probably the most talented in the league was the 08-10 Celtics. He won a title in year 1, lost the second year because his best player in KG was out for the playoffs, and then made it back to the finals, losing in 7 games, in 2010.

Post #1458 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:46 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:I take it you think he's likely to come over with Doc? It would make me feel a lot better if he's here to help manage the actual on court x's and o's like you said.

Currently Joerger is the men's head coach for the FIBA qualifying team, which starts up next month. And he consults for the Cavaliers.

Doc does not like to get his hands dirty with tons of details. Have to feel Joerger is part of the package.

MiltownHawkeye · Post #1459 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:50 pm

Shaffty wrote:
BigO wrote:
JayMKE wrote:I'm not sure I see the logic of them paying dead money to Budenholzer & Griffin meaning they'd be just as quick to carry more, we're at the end of the rope and Doc had Horst by the balls.

Doc is going to be coaching the Milwaukee Bucks for the foreseeable future, he'd have to totally **** the bed in humiliating fashion for his seat to even get warm this season

The Bucks need a good x's and o's guy who is a decent communicator and the players will listen to.

that is not what they need

People are still stuck in "our second best offensive player is whichever of Middleton or Jrue is struggling less" mode

aboveAverage · Post #1460 » by **aboveAverage** » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:57 pm

I’m happy the deal got done and Doc will be taking over soon. As much as I don’t think he’s a great coach, he definitely is competent and knows how to handle a team with veteran stars.

I’m also upset with whoever was leaking the Giannis stuff, throwing him under the bus for apparently hiring Griff. Even if that was true, you don’t throw your once-in-a-generation franchise player under the bus for that. I really hope it wasn’t Horst. I doubt he would do that. Who was it then?