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[ReasonablySober]

Milwaukee trades
Khris Middleton
Pat Connaughton

Sacramento trades
Harrison Barnes
Kevin Heurter
Keon Ellis
#13

I think we can talk him into putting Keegan Murray into the deal.

So long as the Bucks get Ellis. He's the one to target on that team.

[ShootingtheJ]

Milwaukee trades
Khris Middleton
Pat Connaughton

Sacramento trades
Harrison Barnes
Kevin Heurter
Keon Ellis
#13

I think we can talk him into putting Keegan Murray into the deal.

I thought you were talking about an overpay? You haven't even gotten to something that keeps us a contender next year.

[Bernman]

Kings receive: Damian Lillard
Bucks receive: DeAaron Fox, Sasha Vezenkov

[ShootingtheJ]

Fun fact: Pat Connaughton was more victories over replacement last year than Harrison Barnes.

[paulpressey25]

Kings receive: Damian Lillard
Bucks receive: DeAaron Fox, Sasha Vezenkov

That’s the deal. Vivek won’t do it. Dame probably doesn’t report, although he’d be only a 90 minute flight to Portland and his kids.

I’d add pick #23 if it took that to get it done. We get arguably the same player but eight years younger.

[RiotPunch]

Combining some rumors; does this framework make any sense?

-Grizzlies potentially looking to use Smart & #9 to move up for Clingan
-Bucks potentially looking for more versatility and could shop Brook
-Rockets looking for win now pieces and still value Brook after their pursuit last year

Grizzlies out: Smart, #9
Grizzlies In: Steven Adams, Jae'sean Tate, #3 (Clingan)

Rockets out: Tari Eason, Steven Adams, Jae'sean Tate, #3, #44
Rockets In: Brook, #9, #23

Bucks Out: Brook, #23
Bucks In: Smart, Eason, #44

Thought exercise playing off of this.

MKE: Adams, Eason, Vince Williams
HOU: Lopez, Smart, #23
MEM: Cam Johnson, #3
BKN: Brooks, #9

[paulpressey25]

The Thon Maker draft night thread. Everything was going along fine for about ten pages until someone dropped the Reddit posts about him being older. In many ways this thread was every bit as epic as the Ramon Sessions FA thread (2009) and Tobias trade (2013).

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1456353

[ShootingtheJ]

Combining some rumors; does this framework make any sense?

-Grizzlies potentially looking to use Smart & #9 to move up for Clingan
-Bucks potentially looking for more versatility and could shop Brook
-Rockets looking for win now pieces and still value Brook after their pursuit last year

Grizzlies out: Smart, #9
Grizzlies In: Steven Adams, Jae'sean Tate, #3 (Clingan)

Rockets out: Tari Eason, Steven Adams, Jae'sean Tate, #3, #44
Rockets In: Brook, #9, #23

Bucks Out: Brook, #23
Bucks In: Smart, Eason, #44

Thought exercise playing off of this.

MKE: Adams, Eason, Vince Williams
HOU: Lopez, Smart, #23
MEM: Cam Johnson, #3
BKN: Brooks, #9

Love re-routing Smart to a coach who liked him,, and get a better, cheaper player in Vince Williams. Now can you re-route Adams too?

[bdpecore]

For any/all who will be disappointed if we don't make any movies soon, the Dame trade happened on October 12. Jrue wasn't acquired until late November. I don't anticipate any huge moves like those but not all deals are done in early July.

To me the only telling trade would be dropping enough salary to duck under the 2nd apron before July 1st. This will be very telling as to what sort of offseason to expect. If we drop below it, then chances are Horst is looking to take another big swing. If not, then he's comfortable running it back with our big three and looking to add more complimentary players.

[bdpecore]

I don't think there's much value in the 13th pick this yr. It's a bad range. You should probably take a guy you could have gotten at 23. But I guess it shows the Kings are open for business & as I've said they have some players of interest.

We still need a smaller ball big option we could trust down the stretch of games next yr. Would Philly do Paul Reed for Pat + 33/another high 2nd we picked up in another trade? Though Philly may just want to waive Reed, cuz apparently his deal was contingently ng'ed & they could use space for FA's. In which case we could sell Reed on a bigger role here in a prove it deal.

Only players I'd be interested in trading up for are Devin Carter and Jared McCain. I doubt Carter is available outside of the top 10 but McCain could still be available in the 12-15 range.

[AussieBuck]

Draft the Aussie. White Larry Bird .imo

[bdpecore]

Can’t believe I’m saying this but desperate times, etc…

I’m checking in on Lonzo.

If he’s healthy enough by the time the regular season is winding down he could be an ideal 5th starter if he buys into the role. Defender/facilitator/spot up guy. Can’t think of a better boom/bust guy for us. On a one year deal I don’t see the harm (obviously pending you get a good look at his medicals).

He has a $21MM player option which I'm sure he'll be opting into.

[machu46]

I don't think there's much value in the 13th pick this yr. It's a bad range. You should probably take a guy you could have gotten at 23. But I guess it shows the Kings are open for business & as I've said they have some players of interest.

We still need a smaller ball big option we could trust down the stretch of games next yr. Would Philly do Paul Reed for Pat + 33/another high 2nd we picked up in another trade? Though Philly may just want to waive Reed, cuz apparently his deal was contingently ng'ed & they could use space for FA's. In which case we could sell Reed on a bigger role here in a prove it deal.

Only players I'd be interested in trading up for are Devin Carter and Jared McCain. I doubt Carter is available outside of the top 10 but McCain could still be available in the 12-15 range.

These two and Holland are the ones I’d consider it for but Holland is probably more of a long-term project so maybe not ideal for us.


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[Plossum]

Draft the Aussie. White Larry Bird .imo

I’m a few too many beers deep tonight but I endorsed this wholeheartedly.

[raferfenix]

Milwaukee trades
Khris Middleton
Pat Connaughton

Sacramento trades
Harrison Barnes
Kevin Heurter
Keon Ellis
#13

I get it where you see Keon as the prize vs Keegan, pedigree be damned.

Sacramento could be making the same calculus. Conversely if they are so high on Ellis is could be making Murray seem more expandable for an immediate win now piece like Middleton.

Where Vivek stands on Keon seems like a bigger variable than Coach:

Kings' Mike Brown Sounds Off on Keon Ellis After Win vs. Bucks

He's got an uncanny ability to defend the pick and roll, to be a great weak side help defender, strong side help defender. He's really, really elusive and really quick back to the ball, and what people don't realize is how long his arms are. Then, he's got a motor where he just keeps pursuing, keeps pursuing, and keeps pursuing, and you need to have that relentless attitude if you want to be a great defender or an elite defender, and he definitely has it. I know there's probably somebody out there that I've been around that's been like him, not many guys though, but he has a chance to be a special defender.

https://www.si.com/nba/kings/news/kings-brown-sounds-off-keon-ellis-bucks

[buckboy]

Milwaukee trades
Khris Middleton
Pat Connaughton

Sacramento trades
Harrison Barnes
Kevin Heurter
Keon Ellis
#13

I think we can talk him into putting Keegan Murray into the deal.

And it's still terrible.

[Ron Swanson]

Keegan Murray, Ellis, Barnes, and #13 would be far from a terrible return for Middleton at this point. I could be convinced to pull the trigger on that deal even without 13 attached. Boy do some of you guys have a lot of faith in Keon Ellis being really good though.

[ReasonablySober]

Keegan Murray, Ellis, Barnes, and #13 would be far from a terrible return for Middleton at this point. I could be convinced to pull the trigger on that deal even without 13 attached. Boy do some of you guys have a lot of faith in Keon Ellis being really good though.

Yea, if they wanted to make the deal Middleton for Barnes, Murray, and Ellis I'd still pull the trigger on that one.

I think you could take advantage of a desperate Kings team while getting younger and more versatile in the process.

[raferfenix]

Murray and Ellis?

Maybe Mike Brown got me overhyped on Keon but that seems like an exceptional return for us even with the dumb Kings factor.

Imagine we’d include #23 at least and maybe the Kings package it with #13 for something else.

Sacramento needs a big man somehow. We’ve talked about Bobby or Brook heading that way but I’m not clear on whether either would be a good enough compliment (in their minds) to Sabonis.

[ABucksFan]

Keegan Murray, Ellis, Barnes, and #13 would be far from a terrible return for Middleton at this point. I could be convinced to pull the trigger on that deal even without 13 attached. Boy do some of you guys have a lot of faith in Keon Ellis being really good though.

Yea, if they wanted to make the deal Middleton for Barnes, Murray, and Ellis I'd still pull the trigger on that one.

I think you could take advantage of a desperate Kings team while getting younger and more versatile in the process.

If this is the deal, you take it and run. This is a fantastic return...probably in the minority though lol