Giannis' Development part 3 - SI Cover/Article - Page 35

[GuitarGod_Dan]

This board sometimes... he has 1 bad game against the world champions who clearly said "we are double and triple teaming Giannis and making everyone else beat us" and now people say he's majorly flawed and will never be a good shooter. Relax everyone. Just the day before he was 2/4 on 3 pointers and both shots looked beautiful. Great form, no hesitation, bottom of the net. To think his jump shot is "never going to get better" even though it already looks much better than last years, and the fact that he'S probably the hardest working Buck we've had in decades, AND Dirk's shooting wizard is going to work with him this summer AND he's still averaging almost 24 PPG on incredible efficiency... Michael Jordan in his prime would be scrutinized to no end on this board. This team desperately needs a real coach, and many of these "problems" would be solved running an actual offense. (And defense for that matter)

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[imithanos]

This board sometimes... he has 1 bad game against the world champions who clearly said "we are double and triple teaming Giannis and making everyone else beat us" and now people say he's majorly flawed and will never be a good shooter. Relax everyone. Just the day before he was 2/4 on 3 pointers and both shots looked beautiful. Great form, no hesitation, bottom of the net. To think his jump shot is "never going to get better" even though it already looks much better than last years, and the fact that he'S probably the hardest working Buck we've had in decades, AND Dirk's shooting wizard is going to work with him this summer AND he's still averaging almost 24 PPG on incredible efficiency... Michael Jordan in his prime would be scrutinized to no end on this board. This team desperately needs a real coach, and many of these "problems" would be solved running an actual offense. (And defense for that matter)

If they're **** him now, I can't imagine the reaction of these people, when the games will really matter, for example in a future PO series.

It's just sad. And ungrateful.

And the saddest part is that we, 'the homers', don't have to consider any excuse. Not the opponents and their scheme, not the fatigue, nothing. We just have to admit he sucked balls and lost us the game. [/flame mode on]

[Gianstoppable]

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[Prince12]

This board sometimes... he has 1 bad game against the world champions who clearly said "we are double and triple teaming Giannis and making everyone else beat us" and now people say he's majorly flawed and will never be a good shooter. Relax everyone. Just the day before he was 2/4 on 3 pointers and both shots looked beautiful. Great form, no hesitation, bottom of the net. To think his jump shot is "never going to get better" even though it already looks much better than last years, and the fact that he'S probably the hardest working Buck we've had in decades, AND Dirk's shooting wizard is going to work with him this summer AND he's still averaging almost 24 PPG on incredible efficiency... Michael Jordan in his prime would be scrutinized to no end on this board. This team desperately needs a real coach, and many of these "problems" would be solved running an actual offense. (And defense for that matter)

If they're **** him now, I can't imagine the reaction of these people, when the games will really matter, for example in a future PO series.

It's just sad. And ungrateful.

And the saddest part is that we, 'the homers', don't have to consider any excuse. Not the opponents and their scheme, not the fatigue, nothing. We just have to admit he sucked balls and lost us the game. [/flame mode on]

He did last night. He was bad, sometimes its going to happen, its annoying when 'the homers' as you call them despite in my opinion us all being homers cant accept the fact that he can be scouted for and have a bad night. We played the world champs, its not a big deal. Reality is they doubled him up, forced him to take jumpers and he couldn't make one. I simply don't believe this will work every night as he is to good to be denied in the paint as well as he was but it was a little concerning.

[greekbuck34]

This board sometimes... he has 1 bad game against the world champions who clearly said "we are double and triple teaming Giannis and making everyone else beat us" and now people say he's majorly flawed and will never be a good shooter. Relax everyone. Just the day before he was 2/4 on 3 pointers and both shots looked beautiful. Great form, no hesitation, bottom of the net. To think his jump shot is "never going to get better" even though it already looks much better than last years, and the fact that he'S probably the hardest working Buck we've had in decades, AND Dirk's shooting wizard is going to work with him this summer AND he's still averaging almost 24 PPG on incredible efficiency... Michael Jordan in his prime would be scrutinized to no end on this board. This team desperately needs a real coach, and many of these "problems" would be solved running an actual offense. (And defense for that matter)

If they're **** him now, I can't imagine the reaction of these people, when the games will really matter, for example in a future PO series.

It's just sad. And ungrateful.

And the saddest part is that we, 'the homers', don't have to consider any excuse. Not the opponents and their scheme, not the fatigue, nothing. We just have to admit he sucked balls and lost us the game. [/flame mode on]

He did last night. He was bad, sometimes its going to happen, its annoying when 'the homers' as you call them despite in my opinion us all being homers cant accept the fact that he can be scouted for and have a bad night. We played the world champs, its not a big deal. Reality is they doubled him up, forced him to take jumpers and he couldn't make one. I simply don't believe this will work every night as he is to good to be denied in the paint as well as he was but it was a little concerning.

I think the thing the american homers don't seem to understand is that the greek homers don't really try to deny that he was bad.
Yes he was bad because he had to shoot the jumper and he missed but:

The fatique element against the fresh champions who were set up to specifically contain him is not just an "excuse" . The Jazz doubled him up better in Milwaukee with better defenders but Giannis was fresh and attacked them anyway causing foul trouble to Gobert and ending up with 33 points and 15 FTs.

The bad fits beside him bricking or passing up wide open shots after the double team is not just an "excuse". Giannis played Lebron 1v1 almost in the whole game because we knew that if we double him up he would have 3 great option to pass the ball for a large percentage 3p shot. Everytime Giannis had a double team he only had Snell/Terry or Brogdon as good options and they were easilly blocked

The absense(After Beas' injury) of a second talented offensively guard/forward to take the load and attack the gaps that Giannis was creating is not just an "excuse".

The usage of Thon and Telly two of our few 3p shooters in a game where the opponent was constantly packing the paint is not just an "excuse".

[Prince12]

If they're **** him now, I can't imagine the reaction of these people, when the games will really matter, for example in a future PO series.

It's just sad. And ungrateful.

And the saddest part is that we, 'the homers', don't have to consider any excuse. Not the opponents and their scheme, not the fatigue, nothing. We just have to admit he sucked balls and lost us the game. [/flame mode on]

He did last night. He was bad, sometimes its going to happen, its annoying when 'the homers' as you call them despite in my opinion us all being homers cant accept the fact that he can be scouted for and have a bad night. We played the world champs, its not a big deal. Reality is they doubled him up, forced him to take jumpers and he couldn't make one. I simply don't believe this will work every night as he is to good to be denied in the paint as well as he was but it was a little concerning.

I think the thing the american homers don't seem to understand is that the greek homers don't really try to deny that he was bad.
Yes he was bad because he had to shoot the jumper and he missed but:

The fatique element against the fresh champions who were set up to specifically contain him is not just an "excuse" . The Jazz doubled him up better in Milwaukee with better defenders but Giannis was fresh and attacked them anyway causing foul trouble to Gobert and ending up with 33 points and 15 FTs.

The bad fits beside him bricking or passing up wide open shots after the double team is not just an "excuse". Giannis played Lebron 1v1 almost in the whole game because we knew that if we double him up he would have 3 great option to pass the ball for a large percentage 3p shot. Everytime Giannis had a double team he only had Snell/Terry or Brogdon as good options and they were easilly blocked

The absense(After Beas' injury) of a second talented offensively guard/forward to take the load and attack the gaps that Giannis was creating is not just an "excuse".

The usage of Thon and Telly two of our few 3p shooters in a game where the opponent was constantly packing the paint is not just an "excuse".

Fatigue? So hes just had a week off and at 22 cant handle playing back to backs? Ok well now im even more concerned.

[Prez]

I mean we can twist this any way we want to and put this on "American homerism" (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean here), but Giannis' jumpshot and ability to create in the half court against smart defenses is a weakness. People aren't just getting on him about last game purely because of that game alone, it's because it highlighted the weaknesses many people on this board have been talking about for a long time. The fact that those who point it out can't talk about it without being painted as haters, despite many of us who do it also being guys who defend/praise Giannis in every thread outside the Bucks forum and on here as well when he plays well, is kinda annoying. Everyone here loves Giannis and appreciates what he's done for the franchise, that doesn't mean we can't be critical of his game from time to time.

[DingleJerry]

Everyone knows his only remaining weakness is a consistent jumper. Cle exploited that as much as they could and it worked. Doesn't mean Giannis isn't still awesome. Hell, SAS basically did the exact thim to LBJ in the finals when he was 30ish, not 22.

Bigger problem to me is the coaches don't know how to minimize the weakness and don't help him at all. Pointed out by some on here already that I don't need to re-iterate. Thing I would add though is with his current weakness it's really tough to run a half court offense with him dribbling around the wing/top of key since everyone can just sag under any screens. Puts him in no man's land and in a game like this it was working and they made no adjustments, like to make him the screen man and try to get him the ball in the paint.

[GuitarGod_Dan]

I mean we can twist this any way we want to and put this on "American homerism" (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean here), but Giannis' jumpshot and ability to create in the half court against smart defenses is a weakness. People aren't just getting on him about last game purely because of that game alone, it's because it highlighted the weaknesses many people on this board have been talking about for a long time. The fact that those who point it out can't talk about it without being painted as haters, despite many of us who do it also being guys who defend/praise Giannis in every thread outside the Bucks forum and on here as well when he plays well, is kinda annoying. Everyone here loves Giannis and appreciates what he's done for the franchise, that doesn't mean we can't be critical of his game from time to time.

I'm not saying we can't point out weaknesses or call out when he has a bad game. What annoys me is when people say things like "I'm starting to think he'll never have a jumper" and "this is why he'll never be a good ISO scorer" and "this one particular game is really concerning, this is why he'll never blah blah blah". My point is, a game like Monday night in Cleveland is an outlier. You don't put up numbers he does for 3/4 of the season already if you have obvious, glaring weakness. He has some, sure, but the ocasional poor effort game, this deep into the season, isn't something to get concerned about with him. He's the hardest working player we might have ever had. The growth to his game is astounding. Even his jump shot IS improving, and that's the easiest thing to improve. That's why most guys get better at it in the league as they age. As much as the "Greek posters" are at fault for always defending him, I feel like some of the "american posters" fly off the handle after one bad game and start putting absolutes on him (he'll never have a shot, he'll never be a good iso scorer, teams know how to shut him down) And it's equally fanatical in the opposite direction.

He's the second best forward, and maybe second best player in the East. In 3 or 4 years, if he keeps improving at even half the rate he has been improving (which is certainly possible, given his work ethic and drive) he very may well be the best player in the league. An occasional bad shooting night against the world Champs who specifically game planned to shut him down and let other players try to beat them won't even be remotely relevant then.

[Prince12]

I really haven't seen anyone flying off the handle the other way. Fair criticism and analysis is different to flying off the handle. When you see him shutdown like that it is slightly concerning.

[crkone]

I really haven't seen anyone flying off the handle the other way. Fair criticism and analysis is different to flying off the handle. When you see him shutdown like that it is slightly concerning.

It's pretty jarring when he gets frustrated since he's usually so great. They really should give him those Monroe elbow touches with Mirza and Thon parked in the corners.

[GuitarGod_Dan]

I really haven't seen anyone flying off the handle the other way. Fair criticism and analysis is different to flying off the handle. When you see him shutdown like that it is slightly concerning.

Maybe "flying off the handle" was a bit extreme. I just feel like this board drastically overreacts a lot of the times. Not just with Giannis (good or bad) but with everything. We had a few bad games early in the season and it's "Tank, we're horrible". We win a few and are 2 games over .500 and it's "top 4 seed in the east".

I've been a die-hard Bucks fan since I was 7 years old, and am now 29. I've had like 2, maybe three exciting seasons, and 20 extreme disappointments. Giannis is literally the best thing to happen to this Franchise since I've been alive. Maybe I'm a little (lot) biased towards him positively, but I think some posters are so pre-conditioned to miserable failure and at best, mediocrity with this team, that the moment Giannis has a bad game, it's all doom and gloom. It must be, it's the Bucks right? I just think Giannis has proven to be the type that will continue to get better. He will develope a good jump shot. He has good form. It's just a confidence issue. That will get remedied.

Either way, we are all Bucks fans, American, Greek, Australian, and any other nationality that posts on here. And I think we can all at least agree on 2 things:

1.) We all Love Giannis and are more than grateful to have him on our team

2.) It's seriously time to move on from Jason Kidd

Amirite?!?!

[turbostef]

STFU All. Giannis is GOD. Period.

[GuitarGod_Dan]

STFU All. Giannis is GOD. Period.

This.

[greekbuck34]

It's been a few weeks since I last updated the RPM ratings mainly because of Jabari's injury and the ASB.
Brogdon surpassed Monroe in the second place.
Giannis started rising again in the rankings after his semi slump of his DRPM rating which cost him plenty of places the past month.
Monroe is steady as usual.
Jabari finished this season with a slightly negative rating.(I won't post his ratings anymore)

[wichmae]

I just remembered all those old threads from 2013 where everyone not on this board thought Trey Burke was the best player in that draft. Yeah those were funny times. The MCW and Burke debate. How GA was 4 years away from being a bench player. How Otto Porter was such a bust. Yeah good times.

[M-C-G]

I just remembered all those old threads from 2013 where everyone not on this board thought Trey Burke was the best player in that draft. Yeah those were funny times. The MCW and Burke debate. How GA was 4 years away from being a bench player. How Otto Porter was such a bust. Yeah good times.

With re: to Otto Porter, it wasn't more than a year, a year and a half where people were talking about trading him because he looked like a bust. Then about midway through last year he suddenly becomes a three point shooter on decent volume and now he is a max guy (potentially).

[Prez]

I mean we can twist this any way we want to and put this on "American homerism" (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean here), but Giannis' jumpshot and ability to create in the half court against smart defenses is a weakness. People aren't just getting on him about last game purely because of that game alone, it's because it highlighted the weaknesses many people on this board have been talking about for a long time. The fact that those who point it out can't talk about it without being painted as haters, despite many of us who do it also being guys who defend/praise Giannis in every thread outside the Bucks forum and on here as well when he plays well, is kinda annoying. Everyone here loves Giannis and appreciates what he's done for the franchise, that doesn't mean we can't be critical of his game from time to time.

I'm not saying we can't point out weaknesses or call out when he has a bad game. What annoys me is when people say things like "I'm starting to think he'll never have a jumper" and "this is why he'll never be a good ISO scorer" and "this one particular game is really concerning, this is why he'll never blah blah blah". My point is, a game like Monday night in Cleveland is an outlier. You don't put up numbers he does for 3/4 of the season already if you have obvious, glaring weakness. He has some, sure, but the ocasional poor effort game, this deep into the season, isn't something to get concerned about with him. He's the hardest working player we might have ever had. The growth to his game is astounding. Even his jump shot IS improving, and that's the easiest thing to improve. That's why most guys get better at it in the league as they age. As much as the "Greek posters" are at fault for always defending him, I feel like some of the "american posters" fly off the handle after one bad game and start putting absolutes on him (he'll never have a shot, he'll never be a good iso scorer, teams know how to shut him down) And it's equally fanatical in the opposite direction.

He's the second best forward, and maybe second best player in the East. In 3 or 4 years, if he keeps improving at even half the rate he has been improving (which is certainly possible, given his work ethic and drive) he very may well be the best player in the league. An occasional bad shooting night against the world Champs who specifically game planned to shut him down and let other players try to beat them won't even be remotely relevant then.

There's a difference between saying you're concerned about a certain aspect of his game, and definitively saying he'll never improve. Big difference. I don't know why you're generalizing people who are critical about his game. It's year 4 of his career and he's still a long way from being a comfortable shooter, and he still does have some issues in the half court when defenses settle in and cut off the paint. No one has a crystal ball here and is guaranteeing he'll never improve at those things, except maybe that one dude who got his thread locked. But the concerns are warranted. Everyone acknowledges that Giannis is a beast and a future MVP type player, but he's not perfect and it's fine to talk about it.

[emunney]

I'm pleased with Giannis' progress as a shooter. My big goal for him this year was to *take* 200+ 3s. At his current pace, he's going to be close enough. A bit below 30% is about what I expected. If he keeps working on it he might eventually be an OK 3pt shooter, but he's never going to be good enough for good defenders to chase him over screens. He's too good at going to the basket. That equation never balances.