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[DrWood]

Given the Bucks lack of draft picks, they can't commence a rebuild until 2028.

[skones]

Middleton wasn't worth his max deal, maybe some bottom feeder would have offered the same contract though. 5/150 was his worth.

Unless you figure he's about to go in the toilet, you are wrong. He's deserved his pay last year and this.

He deserved his pay last year and this year, but he needed took a leap in order to do so. When he was signed, he was not worth the max and I've been one of the more vocal Middleton supporters here.

[thonnisbeastley]

Middleton wasn't worth his max deal, maybe some bottom feeder would have offered the same contract though. 5/150 was his worth.

Unless you figure he's about to go in the toilet, you are wrong. He's deserved his pay last year and this.

Jrue is not worth a max deal. He's at the end of his prime and he's not playing like he deserves one. Think he's worth 4/100 max on the open market. Personally, I wouldn't pay him more than 4/90 with a team option on the last year. Ideally we sign him for 2/50 and trade either him or Middleton for better role players if this roster doesn't work out this/next season. I'm tired of handing out 3-4 year contracts to retain all of our veterans. It's why were in such a terrible spot to begin with. Giving a max to Jrue pretty much means we have to trade Middleton.

He'd get a lot more than that from any intelligent GM with the money to spend.

Yeah, he wasn't worth that contract when it was offered to him. We got lucky that he improved enough to earn his pay last season and he's doing the same so far this season. But that's at $30M/$33M per, the max he should be paid. Next season he makes 35, then 38, then 40. He's not worth those numbers at his current level, especially given his playoff performances. He's not a #1 on any seriously contending team, but he's going to be paid like it.

If you think Jrue is getting a lot more than 4/100 from any intelligent GM with money to spend, when he'll be 31-34 years old, you are not thinking intelligently about it. If we pay him that and keep Middleton we're ****. So we'd be trading Middleton in that scenario.

[crowhead76]

Yeah, who would pay Gordon Hayward more than 4/100?

[bdpecore]

Saw this article today which suggests we trade Holiday and DiVicenzo to Charlotte for Rozier, Graham and their 2021 and 2023 1sts. As much as I like Jrue and Donte this deal returns similar offensive production along with some draft assets which could be flipped in trades to add better depth to our roster. It also drops our payroll by $8.3 million which allows us to add salary’s at the trade deadline. Personally I’d ask them to include Biyombo for a future 2nd since we could use the front court depth. Thoughts?
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/02/27/nba-rumors-milwaukee-bucks-charlotte-hornets-trade-jrue-holiday/

[WRau1]

Remember just a few months ago when guys around here were talking about players like Gallo, Harris, Hayward etc.. would be available for the MLE? How RoLo wouldn't get more than the $4mil he opted out of? Using the ol' "any intelligent GM" schtick is complete nonsense. Outside of like 2 people here, we have no clue what deals are out there for these players. It's a pretty safe assumption that if a player gets a bigger deal than his current level of play would suggest, it's because there is other teams willing to also pay that much for him - his current value.

[WRau1]

Saw this article today which suggests we trade Holiday and DiVicenzo to Charlotte for Rozier, Graham and their 2021 and 2023 1sts. As much as I like Jrue and Donte this deal returns similar offensive production along with some draft assets which could be flipped in trades to add better depth to our roster. It also drops our payroll by $8.3 million which allows us to add salary’s at the trade deadline. Personally I’d ask them to include Biyombo for a future 2nd since we could use the front court depth. Thoughts?
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/02/27/nba-rumors-milwaukee-bucks-charlotte-hornets-trade-jrue-holiday/

I love me some Rozier but I'd love him next to Holiday. We'd be a lot worse defensively going from a DDV/Holiday backcourt to Rozier/Graham. I think I'd pass.

[ShootingtheJ]

Saw this article today which suggests we trade Holiday and DiVicenzo to Charlotte for Rozier, Graham and their 2021 and 2023 1sts. As much as I like Jrue and Donte this deal returns similar offensive production along with some draft assets which could be flipped in trades to add better depth to our roster. It also drops our payroll by $8.3 million which allows us to add salary’s at the trade deadline. Personally I’d ask them to include Biyombo for a future 2nd since we could use the front court depth. Thoughts?
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/02/27/nba-rumors-milwaukee-bucks-charlotte-hornets-trade-jrue-holiday/

I'd pass because Graham is nothing, and because we need to add to our defense, not wreck it with more too small guards.

Graham can't defend anyone and makes just 36% of his 2 point shots. After a hot start last year, he fell apart just before the shutdown, and his woes have continued this year. He's no better than Frank Mason.

Jrue/Donte is a dream backcourt, now we just need to find a 3rd guard that can hit the 3 but also defend someone.

[BigO]

No, we need a coach who knows how to defend teams when they adjust. Continuing to rearrange the deck chairs with the same captain is a recipe for failure.

[KidA24]

It's a good thing that Khris Middleton, who isn't worth a max deal, didn't sign a max deal.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Because I don't see "value in return" as bonafide positive value. I don't see negative value as something that needs value added to move it, because I think negative value deals are moved all the time for players that are flat out lesser because they are in more preferable contractual positions. There's more than one way to skin a cat, and I think putting "negative value" in a "needs value to move" is unwise.

Direct counterpoint to the necessity to add value to move. Russell Westbrook is negative value. He brought back a first round pick, but he also brought back John Wall, who's value, specifically at the time, was such that even with a first round pick attached, did not bring that side of the deal to "neutral" value territory.

Do you think if the Bucks sign Jrue to a max extension tomorrow, that a team would give up a first round pick for the right to pay him that extension (ex. Boston)

I'm hoping they would, because my preference for Jrue is a S&T this offseason. I think of value as league wide consensus NOT what a few teams are willing to do. One team willing to give up positive value for Wiggins doesn't make Wiggins actual positive value when the greater majority of teams would scoff at the notion of doing so.

league wide consensus is called a team friendly deal. any deal all the teams would take would be massive under value for jrue. i dont care if clothes, cars, gold, electronics...anything..... if you sell something at a price that everybody would jump on it then it means you sold it too low. thats just common sense

[skones]

Do you think if the Bucks sign Jrue to a max extension tomorrow, that a team would give up a first round pick for the right to pay him that extension (ex. Boston)

I'm hoping they would, because my preference for Jrue is a S&T this offseason. I think of value as league wide consensus NOT what a few teams are willing to do. One team willing to give up positive value for Wiggins doesn't make Wiggins actual positive value when the greater majority of teams would scoff at the notion of doing so.

league wide consensus is called a team friendly deal. any deal all the teams would take would be massive under value for jrue. i dont care if clothes, cars, gold, electronics...anything..... if you sell something at a price that everybody would jump on it then it means you sold it too low. thats just common sense

I don't think you understand what "league wise consensus" means if you think it means a team friendly deal. That's not at all when consensus means. The league wide consensus can CERTAINLY be that a deal signed is a horrible deal. See: Mosgov, Timofey or Plumlee, Miles.

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[Frank Nova]

Saw a trade suggested from NBA Analysis Network

Bucks trade Jrue and Donte

Hornets trade Rozier Graham 2021 1st and 2023 1st

Idk, it’s intriguing. I’m not sure how I feel about it lol. Thought I would share for discussion.

[thonnisbeastley]

It's a good thing that Khris Middleton, who isn't worth a max deal, didn't sign a max deal.

I can't stand this take when talking about his contract. The most he could've signed for was 5/190. He signed for $12M less than the absolute max, $2.4M/per less than it could have been. He's going to be making 35/38/40 over the next 3 years. That's essentially max money. He will be one of the most overpaid players in the league over the last 2 seasons of his deal unless he starts putting up 25ppg and plays well/makes a difference in the postseason. The contract probably wouldn't look so terrible if they had front loaded it or evened out the salary per/year. But he's definitely not a $40M player.

[ShootingtheJ]

No, we need a coach who knows how to defend teams when they adjust. Continuing to rearrange the deck chairs with the same captain is a recipe for failure.

Except for the fact the the defensive rating with the starters on the floor is very very good. Just need the backcourt reserves to not kill us.

[drew881]

Remember just a few months ago when guys around here were talking about players like Gallo, Harris, Hayward etc.. would be available for the MLE? How RoLo wouldn't get more than the $4mil he opted out of? Using the ol' "any intelligent GM" schtick is complete nonsense. Outside of like 2 people here, we have no clue what deals are out there for these players. It's a pretty safe assumption that if a player gets a bigger deal than his current level of play would suggest, it's because there is other teams willing to also pay that much for him - his current value.

[ShootingtheJ]

It's a good thing that Khris Middleton, who isn't worth a max deal, didn't sign a max deal.

I can't stand this take when talking about his contract. The most he could've signed for was 5/190. He signed for $12M less than the absolute max, $2.4M/per less than it could have been. He's going to be making 35/38/40 over the next 3 years. That's essentially max money. He will be one of the most overpaid players in the league over the last 2 seasons of his deal unless he starts putting up 25ppg and plays well/makes a difference in the postseason. The contract probably wouldn't look so terrible if they had front loaded it or evened out the salary per/year. But he's definitely not a $40M player.

Lol, he's overpaid because of PPGZ? Yeah, carry on, I'll sit this one out

[bdpecore]

Saw a trade suggested from NBA Analysis Network

Bucks trade Jrue and Donte

Hornets trade Rozier Graham 2021 1st and 2023 1st

Idk, it’s intriguing. I’m not sure how I feel about it lol. Thought I would share for discussion.

As others mentioned about swapping out Graham for DDV would be a tough pill to swallow but I would like to see us explore other options surrounding a Holiday for Rozier plus picks trade which could net us another scoring guard.

My first thought was:

Holiday to CHA
Augustin and MIL 2021 1st to DET
Rozier, Wright, Biyombo, CHA 2021 1st (Lottery Protected) and future 2nd to MIL

We take a step back with Rozier replacing Holiday but Terry is still a good defender and above average scorer. The big upgrade is swapping out Augustin for Wright who’s defense allows us to play Forbes with the second unit. Biyombo is needs to make the salaries work but also gives them another versatile big who can switch on the perimeter and rebounds at an above average clip.

Then trade Wilson, Nwora and a future 2nd for Garrett Temple and add Trevor Ariza on the buyout market.

PG - Rozier, Wright
SG - DDV, Temple, Forbes
SF - Middleton, Ariza, Connaughton, Craig
PF - Giannis, Portis,
C - Lopez, Biyombo

This gives them a solid 9 man rotation with several situational players Biyombo (athletic big),
Forbes (shooter), Craig (lock down defender) Connaughton (high energy guy) based on matchups.

[Perishable517]

Saw this article today which suggests we trade Holiday and DiVicenzo to Charlotte for Rozier, Graham and their 2021 and 2023 1sts. As much as I like Jrue and Donte this deal returns similar offensive production along with some draft assets which could be flipped in trades to add better depth to our roster. It also drops our payroll by $8.3 million which allows us to add salary’s at the trade deadline. Personally I’d ask them to include Biyombo for a future 2nd since we could use the front court depth. Thoughts?
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/02/27/nba-rumors-milwaukee-bucks-charlotte-hornets-trade-jrue-holiday/

I saw it this morning as well.

I'm a big no. Yah, picks come back but which of those two players are better than DDV? Argubly none.

That would be a massive step back for a team trying to win it all this season.

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[bdpecore]

It's a good thing that Khris Middleton, who isn't worth a max deal, didn't sign a max deal.

I can't stand this take when talking about his contract. The most he could've signed for was 5/190. He signed for $12M less than the absolute max, $2.4M/per less than it could have been. He's going to be making 35/38/40 over the next 3 years. That's essentially max money. He will be one of the most overpaid players in the league over the last 2 seasons of his deal unless he starts putting up 25ppg and plays well/makes a difference in the postseason. The contract probably wouldn't look so terrible if they had front loaded it or evened out the salary per/year. But he's definitely not a $40M player.

Everyone looks at Middleton for what he lacks compared to other top tier wings in the league but it’s all the little things he provides night in and night out like great passing, good defense and being an unselfish player which get overlooked by most Bucks fans. He will never be a #1 option on a contender but he does provide enough in his all around game to warrant a top 20 contract in this league. It was obvious based on last year’s play and All-NBA snub (garnered more votes than two players who made the 3rd team). Middleton does just as much as Scottie Pippen did during the Bulls’ two 3 peat runs.