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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1481 » by xTitan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:33 pm

ackypoo wrote:whatever, we are going to see what happens with snell in the 2nd half of this season.

theres a contingent of fans who just think brown could take his minutes, and im over here wondering why wed want that, play them both. cant have too many wings.

Jabari is going to take somebodies minutes...and brown is the best defender on the team soooooooooo
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Post#1482 » by ackypoo » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:35 pm

xTitan wrote:Snell isn't very good, vastly over paid....A smart GM, say like Stearns for the Brewers, would've let a guy like Snell walk because he would've believed he will either draft or find a much cheaper version of Snell.

its amazing to me that people think this way.

hes shooting .430% from 3p right now for 10th in the league. hes on a desireable contract, doesnt require the ball, and is a perfect fit next to any star.

hes the exact type of player every team wants.
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Post#1483 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:36 pm

Except moneyball doesn't work in the NBA. Just weird how people wanna trade 3&D wings for traditional bigs that can't space the floor. It's like they haven't been watching the NBA the past 5 years. If I'm trading Snell for Gortat, then I better also be getting Kelly Oubre in return.
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Post#1484 » by DingleJerry » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:36 pm

Yea it's not that we'd want Snell gone for the reasons being mentioned, can't have enough shooting. But you have allocate your costs and with us about to have Jabari/Mid/giannis eating the massive bulk of mins on the wings for the next years, all on large contracts and better than Snell. Well, then maybe saving that 11 mil and just playing the rookie contract is a smart move to avoid the tax or to sure up a weaker spot.

Still, with a new coach I'd hope Snell's 3 attempts go up and we can assess later. Generally he's been about the least talked about guy but with the obvious cheap replacement stepping up right now it might turn out he's the one that makes the most sense (also the longest contract). But i still have hope he can be used better by new coaches to get more bang for the buck so to speak
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Post#1485 » by Lippo » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:40 pm

Snell is earning his 10-11m/yr, hes not a bargain , but that's FMV for him IMO.
He knows his role, that is very important.....and he shoots open 3's 9/10 times, coaches love guys like him.
If Prunty can get him to attack the basket a bit more it will take advantage of his great FT stroke more often.
Cant believe you guys are so hard on a 42-45% 3 point shooter that plays solid D and rarely has TO's.

Id rather have Snell at 10-11 than the 25 it will take to keep Mids or Jabari

But just stick with what we have, maybe cut Sean and pick up Noah if hes released.
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Post#1486 » by Fotis St » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:41 pm

Wonka wrote:
Fotis St wrote:Come on people... the only reason opponents PGs don't abuse us every night is Bledsoe ... do you forget how awful defenders Delly and Brogdon were against the top PGs of this league. Bledsoe has proven he gives opponents headaches and he rebounds alot for his size, not to mention he can pull up off the dribble on crunch time and nail the dagger.

I agree with Swanson and PP25 ... no need Bledsoe ... yes, I want him to make more 3s, not cut his 3PAs. Not interested in Kemba/Bledsoe swap cause Kemba doesn't play D. Having Henson and Thon under the rim makes Bledsoe too important to stop penetration.


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I kind of agreed with you until you said you didn’t want Bledsoe to cut his 3PAs. There’s no reason a non shooter should be jacking up 8 threes a game like he’s been doing lately. Those are essentially turnovers from our PG. If he was turning the ball over in a traditional manner, people would be up in arms here


Wonka, he is shooting 3s cause Khris is not spreading the floor with his back to basket fade way 2s ... a decent coach will correct it ... Khris needs to work at the 3 and leave the penetration-ball handling and long 2s to Bledsoe.

There was a documentary few months ago about the Marcus Smart effect ... it explained clearly that high volume 3p shooters do spread the floor without even being effective at it ... if Khris doesn't shoot many 3s and we know Snell is a 95% a catch n shoot 3pt sniper, someone must at least pretend the 3pt threat ... in our team Bledsoe is doing that.
As I said, I don't like it, we have to fix our scheme. Khris n Snell more 3s and Bledsoe shoot some top of the key long 2s off thr screen. We need a scheme where our players are set to play to their strength.
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1487 » by SirChurros » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:54 pm

The only knock I have on Snell is that he doesn't shoot enough. I'd love to see him start launching more under Prunty.
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Post#1488 » by xTitan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:00 pm

You already have have Brown who can do what Snell does, plus he's a much better defender...and you have him on a rookie contract, not to mention Brogdon, it might come down to Brogdon or Snell eventually and I'd take Brogdon all day.
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Post#1489 » by emunney » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:01 pm

ackypoo wrote:
emunney wrote:
ackypoo wrote:no.

look at golden state and count how many guys on their roster they have between 6'6'' and 6'8'' that can shoot the three. its imperative to pace and space offenses that dominate the nba at the moment to have wings who can shoot. snells deal is extremely reasonable.

up until this point, the only thing we did wrong with snell is not getting him incorporated more in the offense. but ive noticed the last couple of games our offense is moving a lot more which should bring up his value more.


I looked at Golden State and I have no idea what you're talking about. What Golden State has is 4 all-stars and no bad money. They're not great because of Casspi and Nick Young.

did you know that nick young puts up nearly the same amount of 3pa's per game as snell does in roughly half the amount of minutes while also shooting a considerably worse %.

i find that interesting.


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Post#1490 » by M-C-G » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:01 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:The only knock I have on Snell is that he doesn't shoot enough. I'd love to see him start launching more under Prunty.


In general we have quite a few guys that have shown low volume that they are more than efficient shooting the three, especially if you have Middleton back on track.

What we need is more ways to get them looks and taking more 3PA a game. Per 36 Snell only taking 4.6 attempts is a problem, MIddleton only taking 5.2 is a problem (that represents 33% of his total FGA), Bledsoe is actually taking too many, and Thon is down to 2.6 per 36.

If we can find creative ways to get these guys more looks, more quality looks, we will be in good shape come playoff time. I suspect(hope) is taking 5.5-6 3PA per 36 when he comes back, which will help fill the void we have with Mirza 10 3PA per 36 out indefinitely.
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1491 » by ackypoo » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:01 pm

xTitan wrote:
ackypoo wrote:whatever, we are going to see what happens with snell in the 2nd half of this season.

theres a contingent of fans who just think brown could take his minutes, and im over here wondering why wed want that, play them both. cant have too many wings.

Jabari is going to take somebodies minutes...and brown is the best defender on the team soooooooooo

jabari should cut into thons minutes and dellys minutes. thons minutes as we run lineups where giannis is at center. and brown can play an off guard pg in lineups where giannis is handling the ball.

theres no way snell should lose minutes over guys like thon and delly.
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1492 » by xTitan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:08 pm

ackypoo wrote:
xTitan wrote:
ackypoo wrote:whatever, we are going to see what happens with snell in the 2nd half of this season.

theres a contingent of fans who just think brown could take his minutes, and im over here wondering why wed want that, play them both. cant have too many wings.

Jabari is going to take somebodies minutes...and brown is the best defender on the team soooooooooo

jabari should cut into thons minutes and dellys minutes. thons minutes as we run lineups where giannis is at center. and brown can play an off guard pg in lineups where giannis is handling the ball.

theres no way snell should lose minutes over guys like thon and delly.

Well Snell must have great trade value right? You have written a glowing review on how great he is on such a value contract, wouldn't he then possibly be the center piece in a trade for a big time center? Snell is only 26, has a lot of quality yrs left
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Post#1493 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:11 pm

The fact that Sterling Brown is on a dirt cheap contract is exactly why you can keep a guy like Snell. Between Middleton, Snell, and Brown you have like 80 of the 96 minutes between SG and SF locked up for only $25 mil for this season and next. What exactly is overpriced about that?
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Post#1494 » by ackypoo » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:12 pm

xTitan wrote:
ackypoo wrote:
xTitan wrote:Jabari is going to take somebodies minutes...and brown is the best defender on the team soooooooooo

jabari should cut into thons minutes and dellys minutes. thons minutes as we run lineups where giannis is at center. and brown can play an off guard pg in lineups where giannis is handling the ball.

theres no way snell should lose minutes over guys like thon and delly.

Well Snell must have great trade value right? You have written a glowing review on how great he is on such a value contract, wouldn't he then possibly be the center piece in a trade for a big time center? Snell is only 26, has a lot of quality yrs left

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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1495 » by xTitan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:16 pm

ackypoo wrote:
xTitan wrote:
ackypoo wrote:jabari should cut into thons minutes and dellys minutes. thons minutes as we run lineups where giannis is at center. and brown can play an off guard pg in lineups where giannis is handling the ball.

theres no way snell should lose minutes over guys like thon and delly.

Well Snell must have great trade value right? You have written a glowing review on how great he is on such a value contract, wouldn't he then possibly be the center piece in a trade for a big time center? Snell is only 26, has a lot of quality yrs left

sigh.

seriously, a trade with Snell and Henson, that puts you close to $20MM, I am guessing this is something the Bucks would have to offer the Clippers or Miami if they would actually want a high priced big.
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Post#1496 » by ackypoo » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:20 pm

xTitan wrote:
ackypoo wrote:
xTitan wrote:Well Snell must have great trade value right? You have written a glowing review on how great he is on such a value contract, wouldn't he then possibly be the center piece in a trade for a big time center? Snell is only 26, has a lot of quality yrs left

sigh.

seriously, a trade with Snell and Henson, that puts you close to $20MM, I am guessing this is something the Bucks would have to offer the Clippers or Miami if they would actually want a high priced big.

we arent going to win the title this year with whiteside or jordan.
teams winning titles are starting pachulia/bogut or thompson/love. its the era of pace and space.
our money can be spent better elsewhere, such as snell.
henson/giannis is our center rotation, or should be.
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Post#1497 » by DingleJerry » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:20 pm

Lets just get Jabari back and get a legit backup C for very cheap and see what happens. The East is open as it's been in 10 years. But yea I know it's a message board so we're gonna talk about hypotheticals.
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Post#1498 » by xTitan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:23 pm

ackypoo wrote:
xTitan wrote:
ackypoo wrote:sigh.

seriously, a trade with Snell and Henson, that puts you close to $20MM, I am guessing this is something the Bucks would have to offer the Clippers or Miami if they would actually want a high priced big.

we arent going to win the title this year with whiteside or jordan.
teams winning titles are starting pachulia/bogut or thompson/love. its the era of pace and space.
our money can be spent better elsewhere, such as snell.
henson/giannis is our center rotation, or should be.

I actually agree, for the rest of this year...roll with what you have, pick up Bogut or possibly some other big that gets cut and go from there.
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Post#1499 » by M-C-G » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:25 pm

emunney wrote:
ackypoo wrote:
emunney wrote:
I looked at Golden State and I have no idea what you're talking about. What Golden State has is 4 all-stars and no bad money. They're not great because of Casspi and Nick Young.

did you know that nick young puts up nearly the same amount of 3pa's per game as snell does in roughly half the amount of minutes while also shooting a considerably worse %.

i find that interesting.


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Post#1500 » by LuessiT » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:31 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:The only knock I have on Snell is that he doesn't shoot enough. I'd love to see him start launching more under Prunty.


What I also want to add is that his teammates don't find him enough times. For example in the last game when the shotclock went down and Giannis hit that 3, Snell was spotting up for 3 seconds on the perimeter and was calling for the ball but Giannis didn't find him. Even though Giannis made that shot, I'd still rather see Snell get the ball there.
Snell probably has to be more vocal himself, too. I'm not sure if that is true, but it would fit personality-whise.

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