Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd (as coach pg 43)?

[Nycballa2k]

I think most people are simply bothered by the way this was done. For the longest time we wanted to see basketball people making the basketball decisions. Instead we have an owner hiring a guy because he used to be the his financial advisor. That's why people are upset.

This shouldn't have been a difficult process.

Owner hires a POBO -> POBO hires a GM -> GM hires a head coach -> Head coach rounds out his staff.

That's how this should have gone.

You guys make it sounds like Kidd is some guy Lasry plays pick-up with at the YMCA as opposed to being a top 3 point guard OF ALL TIME.

[Newz]

@GreggDoyelCBS: Jason Kidd fiasco suggests the Bucks' new billionaire owner is another James Dolan. Column - http://t.co/92nzNVmXWB

This article is unbelievably bad.

I especially like how he compares him to Jerry Jones and the Memphis owner. While Jerry Jones sucks now, he owned the Cowboys when they won three in a row. Memphis has built a consistent 50+ game winner. I'll take either of those things for this franchise.

I also think it's hilarious that he uses the quote of telling people what you are going to do and then honoring what you said. He did tell people what he was going to do... he said we are going to rebuild and we are. Obviously he isn't going to lay every single thing out on the table that we are going to do along the way.

How many owners "meddle" more than Cuban? The Mavs have been extremely successful under him and he has his hands in everything.

Yup.

All owners 'meddle' to some extent. I bet Herb Kohl didn't meddle a whole lot more than a majority of other owners did... but the problem was that he was completely clueless and he had the absurd goal of just "making the playoffs" even if it was the 7th or 8th seed.

Maybe Lasry and Edens turn out to be completely clueless. Maybe they run this franchise further into the ground. Maybe they are just total morons when it comes to the basketball thing. But nothing they have done so far hints that they don't know what they are doing.

1. They gave a hundred million dollars toward a new arena.
2. They come off as legitimately cool guys who have done everything they can to get involved with the Milwaukee community.
3. They did what they were supposed to do and they took one of the big time prospects in the draft.

And that's what they have done so far. That's the extent of it... those three things and now trying to go after a guy that they want to have some role in our organization who we don't even know if we will hire yet.

The author is right... they have been owners for six weeks and because of it, it's far too early to judge them. I think it's going to be very tough to judge them for even the first few years. I'd say we'll have a great idea about how good they are four or five years from now.

[ReasonablySober]

I think most people are simply bothered by the way this was done. For the longest time we wanted to see basketball people making the basketball decisions. Instead we have an owner hiring a guy because he used to be the his financial advisor. That's why people are upset.

This shouldn't have been a difficult process.

Owner hires a POBO -> POBO hires a GM -> GM hires a head coach -> Head coach rounds out his staff.

That's how this should have gone.

You guys make it sounds like Kidd is some guy Lasry plays pick-up with at the YMCA as opposed to being a top 3 point guard OF ALL TIME.

That has what to do with coaching?

[emunney]

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@brewcitypaul just curious if you know who BP on RealGM is, I know who he is and that his source won't be able to provide much anymore

[SkilesTheLimit]

FWIW

Someone on twitter is telling me that BuckPack is no longer an insider.

****. Hope he still posts here, even if he is no longer an insider.

Sad news, if true. I hope he still posts here. BP never really gave his opinion. He would just disseminate information that proved to be accurate. I would love to hear his perspective on NBA/Bucks matters.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

Too bad it can't be Nash. Hey Steve, retire right now and maybe we can turn this story around. Equally gifted PG, but known as a motivator and chemistry builder.

[PedroGrande]

I love woj, I don't like kid as a coach or POBO or GM. I don't like the way this is being done if it is as is reported.

However Woj can be a little hypocrit bitch if he sets is mark at someone he doesn't like. Its disgusting how he is reacting to this as if it didn't happen anywere in the past. I see that he is not pursuing the bucks in his tweets but kidd but even there, and no mather how i don't like kidd, there is a lot of people that is unlikable in this league that woj never talks about or uses the same standart to them.

[ReddRum]

I knew the BP insider wouldn't be around much longer - that was too good to be true.

[DanGadzuric50]

@GreggDoyelCBS: Jason Kidd fiasco suggests the Bucks' new billionaire owner is another James Dolan. Column - http://t.co/92nzNVmXWB

What a biased and hate-filled piece. It would be nice if writers could not let their personal feelings completely obscure their journalistic integrity.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

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@brewcitypaul just curious if you know who BP on RealGM is, I know who he is and that his source won't be able to provide much anymore

And I think that is the problem with us worshiping BP. It wasn't like he went out and got a source. He had a single source and he was just a speaker for the source. It's like the rich kid who spends his parents money. It's cool he's buying us all the stuff but once he's out of money he won't be able to get anymore. It is very different than someone like Ford or Woj who has developed different sources throughout the years.

[Chemthethriller]

Sports in general is a crapshoot, I could draft for the bucks for 10 years and I might pull 4 Hall of Fame players in that time by flipping a coin, while someone with 20 years experience is checking all the facts and gets 4 all time busts in that period. I like that we have owners want to win, I like that we have aggression in our organization. The Miami Heat right now are very aggressive, they're players are scheming for ways to win not sitting back glad its the off season.

I'm all for Jason Kidd wanting to come to MKE, I'm all for MKE pushing other teams around and taking advantage of them.

[glenn]

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@brewcitypaul just curious if you know who BP on RealGM is, I know who he is and that his source won't be able to provide much anymore

And I think that is the problem with us worshiping BP. It wasn't like he went out and got a source. He had a single source and he was just a speaker for the source. It's like the rich kid who spends his parents money. It's cool he's buying us all the stuff but once he's out of money he won't be able to get anymore. It is very different than someone like Ford or Woj who has developed different sources throughout the years.

He wasn't a journalist, he was someone who had an inside connection and shared info with fans. Don’t really see an issue with that.

[paulpressey25]

I don't care about Larry Drew being replaced while still on the job. Happens all the time.

The reason the media firestorm is out there is because Kidd has a 20 year body of work in dealing with people, including the media. And it's generally all bad. So this is their turn to get back at him. He's not a good person.

[pilprin]

If we ever had a legitimate media type who gives us a bone here and there it wouldn't have been soo awesome. I do wonder who he is....unfortunately it sounds like his tenure with the Bucks is over.

[bizarro]

I believe now is the time in this thread, and in this forum's history, where we consider shining the BP beacon perhaps one last time. Or, we hang our BP flags at half mast for a time. It was an amazing run. And, all good things must come to an end.

[Fort Minor]

I think it was fairly certain that BuckPack would lose his source once the new regime took over and started remaking the front office.

Oh well. It was fun while it lasted. Thanks for everything you've shared with the board over the years BuckPack! Hope you stick around the forums!

[Ruzious]

@GreggDoyelCBS: Jason Kidd fiasco suggests the Bucks' new billionaire owner is another James Dolan. Column - http://t.co/92nzNVmXWB

This article is unbelievably bad.

I especially like how he compares him to Jerry Jones and the Memphis owner. While Jerry Jones sucks now, he owned the Cowboys when they won three in a row. Memphis has built a consistent 50+ game winner. I'll take either of those things for this franchise.

I also think it's hilarious that he uses the quote of telling people what you are going to do and then honoring what you said. He did tell people what he was going to do... he said we are going to rebuild and we are. Obviously he isn't going to lay every single thing out on the table that we are going to do along the way.

How many owners "meddle" more than Cuban? The Mavs have been extremely successful under him and he has his hands in everything.

Greg Doyel is often a fun guy to listen to and probably to have a few beers with, but he often seems to write while having those beers. A few years ago, he wrote some scathing things about then MD head coach Gary Williams that were proven to be not true. I think he did later own up to it and apologized, but that's what he does - jumps to strong righteous conclusions without having the facts.

[Kerb Hohl]

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@brewcitypaul just curious if you know who BP on RealGM is, I know who he is and that his source won't be able to provide much anymore

And I think that is the problem with us worshiping BP. It wasn't like he went out and got a source. He had a single source and he was just a speaker for the source. It's like the rich kid who spends his parents money. It's cool he's buying us all the stuff but once he's out of money he won't be able to get anymore. It is very different than someone like Ford or Woj who has developed different sources throughout the years.

BP gave us some great information. Nobody expected him to be Woj. I think everyone is thankful for the source for as long as it lasted, but nobody was expecting him to be Woj.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't care about Larry Drew being replaced while still on the job. Happens all the time.

The reason the media firestorm is out there is because Kidd has a 20 year body of work in dealing with people, including the media. And it's generally all bad. So this is their turn to get back at him. He's not a good person.

And even that I don't necessarily care about. Gregg Doyle put out a **** article? Woj is being high and mighty about something? SHOCKING. NEWS AT ELEVEN.

All I care about is we now have what looks like a pattern of owner meddling. Given we just ended the Kohl era of meddling, I don't know why more people aren't upset about this.

[MickeyDavis]

BP didn't give us detailed specifics but he would steer the train back on track whenever we wandered off in the wrong direction. I hope he stays here