Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[4xBuck]

Big night for the Brogdan fans. Bucks rolling into Indy for Saturday night showdown!

Say what?... "Brogdon doubtful because of injury"... Dang, what a surprise!

You could say the same thing about our 30 million man as well.

Are you really trying to compare Brogdan's brutal injury history to Middelton?-

Spoiler:

Hater's gonna hate.

[msiris]

Big night for the Brogdan fans. Bucks rolling into Indy for Saturday night showdown!

Say what?... "Brogdon doubtful because of injury"... Dang, what a surprise!

You could say the same thing about our 30 million man as well.

Are you really trying to compare Brogdan's brutal injury history to Middelton?-

Spoiler:

Hater's gonna hate.

Middleton missed a whole season. Brogdon hurt his back and Middleton hurt his hammy. Whoopee

[emunney]

Big night for the Brogdan fans. Bucks rolling into Indy for Saturday night showdown!

Say what?... "Brogdon doubtful because of injury"... Dang, what a surprise!

You could say the same thing about our 30 million man as well.

Middleton's had the one freak injury and that's it.

[msiris]

Big night for the Brogdan fans. Bucks rolling into Indy for Saturday night showdown!

Say what?... "Brogdon doubtful because of injury"... Dang, what a surprise!

You could say the same thing about our 30 million man as well.

Middleton's had the one freak injury and that's it.

Injuries can happen anytime. Maybe Midds is less likely to hurt because he is limited athletically? Moves slower. Does not jump that much or that high.

[BroncoBuck]

You could say the same thing about our 30 million man as well.

Are you really trying to compare Brogdan's brutal injury history to Middelton?-

Spoiler:

Hater's gonna hate.

Middleton missed a whole season. Brogdon hurt his back and Middleton hurt his hammy. Whoopee

Middleton never missed a whole season…he came back the game Jabari re-tore his ACL. It was against the Heat.

[BroncoBuck]

Brogdon has had nagging injuries his whole career. Hopefully it’s not a lumbar injury and he’s able to return to play fairly soon.

[4xBuck]

Middleton missed a whole season. Brogdon hurt his back and Middleton hurt his hammy. Whoopee

Completely incorrect... It's really easy to break down Brogdon's extensive injury history and Midd's predominately history of healthy seasons, but I'm not gonna jump through hoops for a Middleton hater and Brogdon apologist.

[RiotPunch]

Horst got lucky that Herb Simon and the Pacers were the team gunning for Brogdon. Without Simon, I think it's unlikely that we would have gotten any compensation and Malcolm walks for nothing, similar to the Jabari departure.

So, Horst generates assets with a player departure and he's just lucky...That's a convenient narrative.

It's well documented that Indiana approached us with assets because Simon is old school. They knew we couldn't match, so yeah Horst got lucky here.

[Chuck Diesel]

It’s hilarious that Lasry went on record with his concerns about Brogdon forcing them into an eventual repeater tax once the Giannis deal kicks in with Giannis still a year away from making that decision. Type of presumption that could certainly come back to bite.

Everything that could’ve possibly been said about Brogdon has been. Answers will only come with our use of the Indy assets, Brogdon’s health and the month of June. Anyone who wishes him ill health/takes glee in his injuries is a complete loser.

[paulpressey25]

Keep reading all these quotes. Seems like Brogdon wanted to be the man on a different team. Occam's razor.

And because of that, the club felt the other pieces were easy to rationalize. Injury history, luxury tax.

[4xBuck]

So, Horst generates assets with a player departure and he's just lucky...That's a convenient narrative.

It's well documented that Indiana approached us with assets because Simon is old school. They knew we couldn't match, so yeah Horst got lucky here.

OK, GMs getting assets in a sign and trade are lucky.... Good to know.

[emunney]

I think the Pacers had to assure getting Brogdon because they'd miss out on Plan B, C, D, and E if we matched the offer sheet after the waiting period. That's the main reason we got the picks: the certainty they bought.

[MAC1987]

So, Horst generates assets with a player departure and he's just lucky...That's a convenient narrative.

It's well documented that Indiana approached us with assets because Simon is old school. They knew we couldn't match, so yeah Horst got lucky here.

OK, GMs getting assets in a sign and trade are lucky.... Good to know.

Yea i got pretty much told sign and trade would never happen by someone on this board. Boy were they wrong.

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[MAC1987]

I dont think it was luck either. Brogdon was a player the Pacers wanted.

Which means they were willing to give up assests to get him so another team cant.

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[RiotPunch]

So, Horst generates assets with a player departure and he's just lucky...That's a convenient narrative.

It's well documented that Indiana approached us with assets because Simon is old school. They knew we couldn't match, so yeah Horst got lucky here.

OK, GMs getting assets in a sign and trade are lucky.... Good to know.

Unique circumstances. You're acting like Horst did the legwork here when it was Simon that called us up.

I agree with em that they were motivated to act quickly, but I don't think that was Horst playing hardball.

[Shaffty]

You could say the same thing about our 30 million man as well.

Are you really trying to compare Brogdan's brutal injury history to Middelton?-

Spoiler:

Hater's gonna hate.

Middleton missed a whole season. Brogdon hurt his back and Middleton hurt his hammy. Whoopee

Lol brogdon hurt his back, had a heel injury so bad in college it got him red flagged and forced him into the 2nd round, and also has foot issues

[Ron Swanson]

Literally every transaction or signing can be spun as "luck". Hammond was only "lucky" that Giannis fell to 15th in the draft. Horst was only "lucky" that no one else wanted to sign BroLo to a big deal last offseason. The Warriors were only "lucky" that they had a max contract slot to offer KD the same offseason he was a free agent. It takes two to tango, but at some point you just have to give credit to the GM executing these moves, and not simply attribute everything to circumstance.

If the Pacers don't offer generous compensation for a sign and trade, then none of us know what would have happened. It's possible that they would have just matched anything short of a max offer because losing Brogdon for nothing would have been too big of a PR hit. It's all hypothetical.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

tonignt should be fun.. bucks fans on one side and the brogdon fans and all the other fans on the other side

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

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[RiotPunch]

Literally every transaction or signing can be spun as "luck". Hammond was only "lucky" that Giannis fell to 15th in the draft. Horst was only "lucky" that no one else wanted to sign BroLo to a big deal last offseason. The Warriors were only "lucky" that they had a max contract slot to offer KD the same offseason he was a free agent. It takes two to tango, but at some point you just have to give credit to the GM executing these moves, and not simply attribute everything to circumstance.

If the Pacers don't offer generous compensation for a sign and trade, then none of us know what would have happened. It's possible that they would have just matched anything short of a max offer because losing Brogdon for nothing would have been too big of a PR hit. It's all hypothetical.

I mean, yeah, luck is a big part of a lot of things that go down. But, Weltman had at least looked into Giannis prior, Horst and Bud targeted BroLo as a quality buy-low guy, Warriors knew well in advance that the stars were aligning for them to make a max splash. Maybe Horst always planned to S&T Brogdon, but considering he did not with Jabari, who knows.

Credit to Jon for picking up the phone and accepting the assets. All I can go by is the stuff that was reported by Windhorst, which made it seem pretty clear that we were courted with a good faith gesture to get a deal done for Indy, not because Indy feared us matching and dragging things out. Not calling Horst inept, he's been overall good, but I just think we were fortunate that it was Simon and not Dolan hitting us up.

But I digress, this was really just tertiary to Malcolm wanting a bigger role and Horst not maneuvering to create the exception. Game time, boys, I'll shut up now.