Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[jimmybones]

Agree with a lot of this, especially if doctor consensus is that Khris still has knees. Trick is there aren't a lot of playmaking types on the market-- 39-year-old CP3 doesn't do it for me.

I personally believe Maxey has some playmaking chops if given the role. The consensus on the Philly board the other day was that they would accept a Holiday/Portis for Maxey/Harris based swap. I'm taking that and running if you can sell it to Morey. Sheer speed would help this team almost as much as playmaking ability.

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Joke. Medically cleared to the point we feel comfortable investing millions in him.

no no, I'm with you... the concerned face is at the knee... one in particular...

[MKE_Beers]

I just do not get the Poole love by some of the people on this board. He's coming into a big deal, can't play any D, has suspect decision making, suspect ball handling, and got absolutely rocked by his teammate earlier this year and no one came to help which I think say something about him as a teammate.

Also, players being from a city they play in isn't always a good thing. It depends on the player and their situation. KD had no interest in going home to play in DC. Going back home could mean a lot of friends and family who know you have mega money and possibly getting into some of the same stupid **** when you were a kid (I don't know anything about Poole as a person but we all know what it's like getting together with old friends. Sometimes you just slip back into things, good or bad, without meaning to).

I'm open to taking him but it would need to be treated as a negative asset or a neutral one at best. I think best case scenario he plays close to what that contract is worth but I'm out on taking guys who can't play much past the 1st round of the playoffs. Look at the numbers his minutes go down every series.

[BucksFanSD]

How much can we extort in a Middleton-Poole-swap? It needs (minor) filler so we're talking Middleton for any comibination of Poole and Payton, Kuminga or Moody. Then we're talking draft assets. GS is surprisingly flush for a team at the tail end of their championship run. They have #19 this year and have access to all their later FRPs.

I could see us being able to pull something like Poole, Kuminga and a FRP.

I think this is the offer that gets us the best outcome filling our voids.

I personally think Khris will be in decline (not Big Dog levels of decline but more minor) and I think Poole and Kuminga are bargains this moment (with chips on their shoulders) and youth and athleticism would serve this team all too well. If we get the first, I would package that for a rotation piece such as Quickly.

Jrue, Quickley
Poole, Grayson
MarJon, Ingles, Pat
Giannis, Kuminga
Lopez, Bobby

Coach Nurse

[paulpressey25]

I could see us being able to pull something like Poole, Kuminga and a FRP.

Don’t see GSW doing it, but this would be ideal for us. Youth and athleticism. And Middleton probably would agree to S&T to GSW.

[Profound23]

How much can we extort in a Middleton-Poole-swap? It needs (minor) filler so we're talking Middleton for any comibination of Poole and Payton, Kuminga or Moody. Then we're talking draft assets. GS is surprisingly flush for a team at the tail end of their championship run. They have #19 this year and have access to all their later FRPs.

I could see us being able to pull something like Poole, Kuminga and a FRP.

I think this is the offer that gets us the best outcome filling our voids.

I personally think Khris will be in decline (not Big Dog levels of decline but more minor) and I think Poole and Kuminga are bargains this moment (with chips on their shoulders) and youth and athleticism would serve this team all too well. If we get the first, I would package that for a rotation piece such as Quickly.

Jrue, Quickley
Poole, Grayson
MarJon, Ingles, Pat
Giannis, Kuminga
Lopez, Bobby

Coach Nurse

This is the deal I have been floating for a while. Would love it. There can even be times you play Giannis at center and watch Giannis/Kuminga/MarJon together.

[Matches Malone]

Have to think that Quickley and Toppin will be made available again this summer

I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Quickley again for his shot creation, but he was kind of poopoo in the playoffs before he rolled his ankle. He might be a situational playoff guy right now.

[BroncoBuck]

I don’t want Poole anywhere near this team. Just another Swaggy P.

[LuessiT]

I could see us being able to pull something like Poole, Kuminga and a FRP.

Don’t see GSW doing it, but this would be ideal for us. Youth and athleticism. And Middleton probably would agree to S&T to GSW.

It would have to be an opt in, extend and trade technically. I think it can be done (or something similar). At least GS fans seem to be highly motivated.

[drew881]

I could see us being able to pull something like Poole, Kuminga and a FRP.

Don’t see GSW doing it, but this would be ideal for us. Youth and athleticism. And Middleton probably would agree to S&T to GSW.

Can't see GSW having a Middleton/Thompson lineup. 80 million dollars invested in 4 bad knees.

[BucksFanSD]

I could see us being able to pull something like Poole, Kuminga and a FRP.

Don’t see GSW doing it, but this would be ideal for us. Youth and athleticism. And Middleton probably would agree to S&T to GSW.

Can't see GSW having a Middleton/Thompson lineup. 80 million dollars invested in 4 bad knees.

The fact that Middleton averaged 24 PPG on very good shooting percentages against a very good Miami defense likely sparks their interest. Middleton could limit the impact of the nights when Klay looks bad The alternative is the Warriors stand pat with Poole and Kuminga who did very little in the '23 playoffs, although that is also on Kerr.

[raferfenix]

Who’d hit the bench btw Wiggins, Thompson and Middleton?

Or is the idea that the Warriors would send one of their current max money wings elsewhere?

Bobby + Allen + Pat also works under the cap for Poole.

[SirChurros]

I'd rather try to get Wiggins from the Warriors somehow.

[pifhluk23]

I could see us being able to pull something like Poole, Kuminga and a FRP.

Don’t see GSW doing it, but this would be ideal for us. Youth and athleticism. And Middleton probably would agree to S&T to GSW.

Can't see GSW having a Middleton/Thompson lineup. 80 million dollars invested in 4 bad knees.

I can. They are aging out and Poole is looking like the worst contract in the league. Both teams need to take risks to compete.

[midranger]

I could see us being able to pull something like Poole, Kuminga and a FRP.

Don’t see GSW doing it, but this would be ideal for us. Youth and athleticism. And Middleton probably would agree to S&T to GSW.

I also like this deal.

I don’t see Poole as great shakes currently nor high ceiling. Likely to be a moderately bad contract for the length of his deal. Very least, he’s a gunner who can get his own shot in the half court. Something we sorely miss, even at low efficiency.

Kuminga is the piece you have to cross your fingers on. Can he be Jaylen Brown with an Expanded role? Probably not. But can he become thicc Jerami Grant? Maybe.

The FRP is whatever. Maybe move it in another deal.

In all these Middleton deals, it’s important to remember that we were the #1 overall seed in the NBA with him providing essentially nothing but 24 highly inconsistent (mostly not great) minutes in a third of the season. We also relied heavily on him to be the only player to not poop himself offensively in the playoffs, which he did, until the 4th quarter.

[KendallMarshall]

CP3 for Grayson, Bobby, Pat? Bring the big 4 back and go all in next year. Am I crazy?

I would like this trade.
This board seems to hate cp3, but man he's exactly what we've needed these last couple playoff runs.. a pure point guard to help our offense and move jrue Bledsoe to more of a two-guard role.

[Profound23]

I'd rather try to get Wiggins from the Warriors somehow.

Yeah, but I doubt they trade Wiggins for Middleton.

I doubt they even do Wiggins/Kuminga for Middleton/Beauchamp but I would be willing to listen to that offer.

[Badgerlander]

Have to think that Quickley and Toppin will be made available again this summer

I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Quickley again for his shot creation, but he was kind of poopoo in the playoffs before he rolled his ankle. He might be a situational playoff guy right now.

Q is 23, plenty of time to figure things out and at worst he’d help our D

[paulpressey25]

In all these Middleton deals, it’s important to remember that we were the #1 overall seed in the NBA with him providing essentially nothing but 24 highly inconsistent (mostly not great) minutes in a third of the season. We also relied heavily on him to be the only player to not poop himself offensively in the playoffs, which he did, until the 4th quarter.

Correct.

Other points. Middleton probably accepts a trade to GSW. Marquee destination.

GSW can afford the 4/$160

GSW has to run it back with something slightly different, so motivated

Only challenge I see is Kuminga. They posture like he’s worth 2 or 3 number ones.

[LuessiT]

In all these Middleton deals, it’s important to remember that we were the #1 overall seed in the NBA with him providing essentially nothing but 24 highly inconsistent (mostly not great) minutes in a third of the season. We also relied heavily on him to be the only player to not poop himself offensively in the playoffs, which he did, until the 4th quarter.

Correct.

Other points. Middleton probably accepts a trade to GSW. Marquee destination.

GSW can afford the 4/$160

GSW has to run it back with something slightly different, so motivated

Only challenge I see is Kuminga. They posture like he’s worth 2 or 3 number ones.

TBF I don't care that much about Kuminga. I'd gladly different filler and pick(s).

[LuessiT]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/37641432/this-group-was-maxed-comes-next-curry-thompson-green-warriors-dynasty

"I don't speak on it much," Poole told ESPN this week in his most extensive comments since the incident. "But I will say that ... you've got to have a different level of maturity.

"We had a season to play. You're going to have to play with these people in the locker room, and that's why I said maturity is a big thing. What I know for a fact is there aren't many people who would be able to think logically and understand the magnitude of the situation, you know?"

At the time, Kerr called it the biggest crisis the team had gone through in his tenure. Poole felt that and knew his response was critical in whether the team would be able to move on.

His locker at Chase Center had always been right next to Green's. That never changed.

He just said little and moved forward as best he could, then signed a four-year contract extension a week later that could be worth as much as $140 million with bonuses.

But it never felt quite right after that. For anyone.

https://theathletic.com/4511504/2023/05/13/warriors-jordan-poole-offseason/

The Warriors aren’t rebuilding. This isn’t over. But there will be some changes. There have to be changes beyond the core. With Draymond and the Warriors headed toward talks for an extension, and with Andrew Wiggins, Kevon Looney and probably Gary Payton II counted as the other made men on this roster, and Moses Moody looking solid in this series, that’s a basic foundation of seven players.

But what about Jordan Poole? Or Jonathan Kuminga? Those are the question marks. I think it’s more likely than not that at least one of these two very talented players will be traded in July. And yes, maybe it is a little interesting that after a season spent wondering if this was the “Last Dance” of this aging dynasty, now that the Warriors’ title defense is over, they might actually go on a reverse-youth movement … and keep on dancing to the oldies.

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I think we should strike the iron while it's hot.