Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Darvin Returns

[rilamann]

Feels like the Bucks this off-season are at a crossroads.

Try to win another championship with Giannis.

Or

Don't be mean to guys like Khris Middleton, Brook & Pat ect and let them continue to rot on our roster because they helped us win a championship 3 years ago.

[jakecronus8]

Can’t believe I’m saying this but desperate times, etc…

I’m checking in on Lonzo.

If he’s healthy enough by the time the regular season is winding down he could be an ideal 5th starter if he buys into the role. Defender/facilitator/spot up guy. Can’t think of a better boom/bust guy for us. On a one year deal I don’t see the harm (obviously pending you get a good look at his medicals).

He has a $21MM player option which I'm sure he'll be opting into.

Bulls are supposedly buying him out

[MiltownMadness]

Feels like the Bucks this off-season are at a crossroads.

Try to win another championship with Giannis.

Or

Don't be mean to guys like Khris Middleton, Brook & Pat ect and let them continue to rot on our roster because they helped us win a championship 3 years ago.

Khris was our only healthy player for the playoffs and played great, what are you actually on about?

[JonHeist]

Feels like the Bucks this off-season are at a crossroads.

Try to win another championship with Giannis.

Or

Don't be mean to guys like Khris Middleton, Brook & Pat ect and let them continue to rot on our roster because they helped us win a championship 3 years ago.

Oh for f*ck's sake, it's this nonsense again.

WHAT LEGAL TRADE INVOLVING KHRIS MIDDLETON DO YOU THINK WOULD MAKE THIS TEAM BETTER?????

POST AN ACTUAL F*CKING TRADE PROPOSAL

INSTEAD OF JUST B*TCHING ABOUT KHRIS STILL BEING ON THE TEAM

(hint: there isn't one single plausible half-decent trade out there at the moment)

[buckboy]

Keegan Murray, Ellis, Barnes, and #13 would be far from a terrible return for Middleton at this point. I could be convinced to pull the trigger on that deal even without 13 attached. Boy do some of you guys have a lot of faith in Keon Ellis being really good though.

I'd much rather have Middleton than 3 meh players.

I would rather have 3 meh players that can actually be counted on to suit up on a regular basis, not miss 4 weeks every time they fall down and physically capable of playing B2Bs.

Than the 2025 version of Khris Middleton.

Cool. Did you watch the playoffs?

[bdpecore]

Not sure if Givoney is just assuming based on prior interest, but it makes sense how Houston would still be in on Brook:

“The Rockets are clearly in win-now mode and would love to add star power to their roster, with players such as Kevin Durant, Jimmy Butler, Mikal Bridges and Brandon Ingram as well as role players including Brook Lopez and Marcus Smart being some that other teams say the Rockets could have interest in targeting (with some names more far-fetched than others)," Givony wrote.

Memphis and Houston are both great Brook trade targets. Getting Smart plus stuff or Eason and salary filler (Landale, Jeff Green, Tate) could be the play.

With new rules for non tax teams, salary fillers shouldn't be needed, and Tate, Green, and Landale are all non guaranteed or team options. No need for those scrubs to muck up our salary sheet.

Getting Eason and draft compensation would be great. If we instead get Marcus Smart, then we're worse off than when we started.

Luckily Memphis has no idea that he's bad, so they're not dealing him.

Sure but taking back additional salary adds value to our portion of a trade and increase our return. If Houston is responsible for eating a significant portion of brook's salary it diminishes his trade value.

[Daver]

Feels like the Bucks this off-season are at a crossroads.

Try to win another championship with Giannis.

Or

Don't be mean to guys like Khris Middleton, Brook & Pat ect and let them continue to rot on our roster because they helped us win a championship 3 years ago.

Oh for f*ck's sake, it's this nonsense again.

WHAT LEGAL TRADE INVOLVING KHRIS MIDDLETON DO YOU THINK WOULD MAKE THIS TEAM BETTER?????

POST AN ACTUAL F*CKING TRADE PROPOSAL

INSTEAD OF JUST B*TCHING ABOUT KHRIS STILL BEING ON THE TEAM

(hint: there isn't one single plausible half-decent trade out there at the moment)

Agree midds rots on the roster what a absolute pile of steaming horse sh... that comment is.Bucks can win a chip with midds n a healthy giannis and dame.Its been giannis the last 2 years that has hosed the bucks chances of winning a chip definetily not midds

[Daver]

I'd much rather have Middleton than 3 meh players.

I would rather have 3 meh players that can actually be counted on to suit up on a regular basis, not miss 4 weeks every time they fall down and physically capable of playing B2Bs.

Than the 2025 version of Khris Middleton.

Cool. Did you watch the playoffs?

Yep bucks need to trade that dead beat giannis then.Yep its midds fault the heat beat the bucks last year definitely midds fault that our fu... mvp misses the entire indy series with a injured dame midds has a great series bucks lose in 5 n midds is the one who needs to go.Amazing how he hasnt mentioned giannis role in back to bsck exits in round 1

[rilamann]

I'd much rather have Middleton than 3 meh players.

I would rather have 3 meh players that can actually be counted on to suit up on a regular basis, not miss 4 weeks every time they fall down and physically capable of playing B2Bs.

Than the 2025 version of Khris Middleton.

Cool. Did you watch the playoffs?

I did watch the playoffs, I watched Middleton put up some nice numbers while losing to a #6 seed because he had the extra bright green light due to Giannis being out and Dame being out or hobbled.

You should be happy that the guy who is physically incapable of playing in B2Bs kind of raised his trade value this off-season.

[rilamann]

Feels like the Bucks this off-season are at a crossroads.

Try to win another championship with Giannis.

Or

Don't be mean to guys like Khris Middleton, Brook & Pat ect and let them continue to rot on our roster because they helped us win a championship 3 years ago.

Khris was our only healthy player for the playoffs and played great, what are you actually on about?

So by your logic we should trade Giannis & Dame and try to win another championship by re-tooling around Khris. Since Khris was the only guy healthy in the playoffs.

[LUKE23]

I did watch the playoffs, I watched Middleton put up some nice numbers while losing to a #6 seed because he had the extra bright green light due to Giannis being out and Dame being out or hobbled.

You should be happy that guy who is physically incapable of playing in B2Bs kind of raised his trade value this off-season.

Your Middleton agenda is tired. Nobody is arguing he's getting more athletic or that he's not injury prone. The guy put up 25/9/5 on .482/.355/.900 with more defensive attention than he's ever seen in a playoff series.

You don't trade someone that can do that to lower your team ceiling just to mitigate injury risk. That's not smart management.

[Daver]

I would rather have 3 meh players that can actually be counted on to suit up on a regular basis, not miss 4 weeks every time they fall down and physically capable of playing B2Bs.

Than the 2025 version of Khris Middleton.

Cool. Did you watch the playoffs?

I did watch the playoffs, I watched Middleton put up some nice numbers while losing to a #6 seed because he had the extra bright green light due to Giannis being out and Dame being out or hobbled.

You should be happy that the guy who is physically incapable of playing in B2Bs kind of raised his trade value this



Midds has said he eill be 100% come TC this year so uou have zero knowkege if he still cant play back to back.Maybe he can this year

[buckboy]

I would rather have 3 meh players that can actually be counted on to suit up on a regular basis, not miss 4 weeks every time they fall down and physically capable of playing B2Bs.

Than the 2025 version of Khris Middleton.

Cool. Did you watch the playoffs?

I did watch the playoffs, I watched Middleton put up some nice numbers while losing to a #6 seed because he had the extra bright green light due to Giannis being out and Dame being out or hobbled.

You should be happy that the guy who is physically incapable of playing in B2Bs kind of raised his trade value this off-season.

I like how you slipped "while losing to #6 seed" in there.

Yeah, if Khris is your best player, you're not great. Good thing he's our 3rd best player.

But yeah, let's absolutely trade him for Harrison Barnes and Keegan Murray. Christ.

[fansinceforever]

The reason to trade Middleton for most of us isn't to mitigate Injury risk. It's because he's our best trade asset for a team that desperately needs to get serious about it's defensive capabilities. We have top end offensive players.

"We have Brook, Bobby, Pat, 23 and 33 to move". Ok, and if that doesn't get us anywhere, what then?

[LUKE23]

The reason to trade Middleton for most of us isn't to mitigate Injury risk. It's because he's our best trade asset for a team that desperately needs to get serious about it's defensive capabilities. We have top end offensive players.

"We have Brook, Bobby, Pat, 23 and 33 to move". Ok, and if that doesn't get us anywhere, what then?

I would rather keep an elite offensive trio together, despite the injury risk, and use the other trade assets to land a defender. It's way harder to find someone who can do what Middleton does than it is to find a defender. Now, have the Bucks done a good job at the latter? Nope, but that's because they haven't drafted/developed well, and they haven't been original in free agency signing guys like Jae Crowder. They just simply need to do a better job this offseason, despite the limited assets at their disposal.

I see no realistic scenarios where trading Middleton improves our title chances though, of that I'm pretty confident.

[ReasonablySober]

If Dame and Giannis are healthy, which is the only way the Bucks are winning the title, then the Bucks simply don’t need Khris’s 15 points a game at $30-plus million a year. If he opts out, and I think he does, he’ll be even more expensive. The Bucks can more smartly allocate those resources, preferably towards youth and defense.

I love Khris, but it’s time for him to go.

[paulpressey25]

"We have Brook, Bobby, Pat, 23 and 33 to move". Ok, and if that doesn't get us anywhere, what then?

That's where I'm at. I'm not sure Pat +23 and 33 for Dorian Finney Smith moves the needle. Assuming they'd make that deal.

[rilamann]

I did watch the playoffs, I watched Middleton put up some nice numbers while losing to a #6 seed because he had the extra bright green light due to Giannis being out and Dame being out or hobbled.

You should be happy that guy who is physically incapable of playing in B2Bs kind of raised his trade value this off-season.

Your Middleton agenda is tired. Nobody is arguing he's getting more athletic or that he's not injury prone. The guy put up 25/9/5 on .482/.355/.900 with more defensive attention than he's ever seen in a playoff series.

You don't trade someone that can do that to lower your team ceiling just to mitigate injury risk. That's not smart management.

If my 2 best players are Giannis & Dame.

There is a 110% chance I am trading Khris for multiple rotation players that are younger, more athletic and most importantly AVAILABLE on a night basis and physically capable of play B2Bs. If I have the opportunity to.

Yes, I get it. Khris was really good and dependable before he hit 30. He was awesome and helped us win a championship. But it's not 2021 anymore.

And yes, Khris can still put up nice numbers when he is available, but he's not available enough to be relied on if your treating him like he's your 3rd best player and you are trying to win a championship.

An aging player who can still put up nice numbers when he's available, but isn't always available, is the definition of a guy you trade and get value for while you still can.

[emunney]

Keegan Murray, Ellis, Barnes, and #13 would be far from a terrible return for Middleton at this point. I could be convinced to pull the trigger on that deal even without 13 attached. Boy do some of you guys have a lot of faith in Keon Ellis being really good though.

I'd much rather have Middleton than 3 meh players.

I would rather have 3 meh players that can actually be counted on to suit up on a regular basis, not miss 4 weeks every time they fall down and physically capable of playing B2Bs.

Than the 2025 version of Khris Middleton.

Three healthy meh players aren't taking you anyplace significant, and you don't need to trade Khris Middleton to get them. Honestly, who cares about back to backs? They don't have them in the playoffs. We shouldn't be playing anybody important on back to backs.

[rilamann]

I like how you slipped "while losing to #6 seed" in there.

I slipped that in there because the Pacers were actually a #6 seed.