Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

LISTEN2JAZZ · Post #1521 » by **LISTEN2JAZZ** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 1:48 pm

Damn I'm out of touch. I forgot or didn't realize that about the CBA.

emunney · Post #1522 » by **emunney** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 2:01 pm

adamcz wrote:Damn I'm out of touch. I forgot or didn't realize that about the CBA.

It's not technically true. He could still take the qualifying offer after his 4th year and be a UFA the following offseason. You really only have 5 years, and if you take that route, you lose all leverage in the 5th year because the player can veto any trades.

pe_it72 · Post #1523 » by **pe_it72** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 2:07 pm

emunney wrote:
adamcz wrote:Damn I'm out of touch. I forgot or didn't realize that about the CBA.

It's not technically true. He could still take the qualifying offer after his 4th year and be a UFA the following offseason. You really only have 5 years, and if you take that route, you lose all leverage in the 5th year because the player can veto any trades.

Very true. Doesn't happen very often. Only 14 times since its been around.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/07/play ... ffers.html

Most players take the money.

eagle13 · Post #1524 » by **eagle13** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 2:23 pm

The only red flag has been Parker's conditioning. He was said to be overweight this spring, but McKinney said Parker looked great a couple of weeks ago in California, where McKinney watched him work out. Parker broke his foot at Simeon and McKinney conjectured that the Blue Devils were careful to not push him.

Wojciechowski said Parker's conditioning was an occasional issue at Duke.

"Yes, but not unique to any other freshman," Wojo said. "As good of a high school program that he came from and as talented as he is, the jump from any high school senior to an elite-level college basketball player is a very difficult one. There were things. Is he in as good a condition as he will be? No, but he's going to get there."

didn't read entire thread - any info on his broken foot or being over weight out of condition? That's a bad combination.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #1525 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 2:35 pm

eagle13 wrote:
The only red flag has been Parker's conditioning. He was said to be overweight this spring, but McKinney said Parker looked great a couple of weeks ago in California, where McKinney watched him work out. Parker broke his foot at Simeon and McKinney conjectured that the Blue Devils were careful to not push him.

Wojciechowski said Parker's conditioning was an occasional issue at Duke.

"Yes, but not unique to any other freshman," Wojo said. "As good of a high school program that he came from and as talented as he is, the jump from any high school senior to an elite-level college basketball player is a very difficult one. There were things. Is he in as good a condition as he will be? No, but he's going to get there."

didn't read entire thread - any info on his broken foot or being over weight out of condition? That's a bad combination.

I sure don't like an overweight guy with foot issues to be picked to lead our franchise to glory.

Wiggins "isn't as intense", but he's the guy who put in the time to be an elite level athlete.

LedZepp007 · Post #1526 » by **LedZepp007** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 2:48 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:
eagle13 wrote:
The only red flag has been Parker's conditioning. He was said to be overweight this spring, but McKinney said Parker looked great a couple of weeks ago in California, where McKinney watched him work out. Parker broke his foot at Simeon and McKinney conjectured that the Blue Devils were careful to not push him.

Wojciechowski said Parker's conditioning was an occasional issue at Duke.

"Yes, but not unique to any other freshman," Wojo said. "As good of a high school program that he came from and as talented as he is, the jump from any high school senior to an elite-level college basketball player is a very difficult one. There were things. Is he in as good a condition as he will be? No, but he's going to get there."

didn't read entire thread - any info on his broken foot or being over weight out of condition? That's a bad combination.

I sure don't like an overweight guy with foot issues to be picked to lead our franchise to glory.

Wiggins "isn't as intense", but he's the guy who put in the time to be an elite level athlete.

Why do you want an underbuilt guy with a serious back problem to lead our team then?

And Wiggins' athleticism (most of it) was given to him in his DNA. I'm sure he's worked hard, but there's no way he's out worked Parker (or Embiid for that matter).

EastSideBucksFan · Post #1527 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 2:53 pm

Wiggins has always been my guy.

Not sure what you're referring to.

Ron Swanson · Post #1528 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 2:54 pm

Vehemently disagree with Parker at 2, that is unless Wiggins goes #1 and a medical report comes out on Embiid essentially saying his back is FUBAR.

If you think that he's clearly the best talent available, then I guess you can rationalize it. I'm just at the point now, knowing all we know about these guys, where I don't see how you could. I'm still debating Exum vs. Parker in the 3-4 range...

emunney · Post #1529 » by **emunney** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 2:54 pm

Yeah, if Wiggins has put so much more time in, it's even more disturbing that he's not a ball handler.

Aaron It Out · Post #1530 » by **Aaron It Out** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 2:59 pm

If I was a forward trying to guard centers in college I probably wouldn't have been shy in the dining hall. I don't see how you could look at that video from a few weeks ago and be worried about what kind of condition he'll be in. Dude wants it bad, I don't think anyone can argue that.

And I bet you guys worried about Parker's foot are pretty glad we didn't trade for Steph Curry. And you must not want to touch Embiid either? Nothing wrong if the answers are yes but you can't have it both ways.

Wiggins is extremely lean and is more explosive than we've seen in a long time off his knees. To me that is more alarming than a guy broke his foot twice in 2 different spots. Look at Wade who relies off his explosiveness, Derrick Rose too. But am I going to not draft Wiggins because I'm afraid he might blow out his knee? Of course not.

chonestown · Post #1531 » by **chonestown** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 3:16 pm

Though a hopeless pursuit, still I test out byzantine combinations of polynomials, adopt the most far-flung of metrics, cycle through reams of anecdotal data ranging from AAU coach testimony to geriatric women spinning tales of once being helped by the prospective candidates to navigate busy intersections, and still the task haunts me.

How can I quantify the 'it factor?' Some call out for a break-filling wingman, some proclaim the need for a dynamic scorer, but these are are merely positional concerns. What the Milwaukee Bucks need is 'it.' Put down the stopwatches and the clear the court of cone drills. Only holistics theory and gut impulses are to be trusted at this juncture.

[drains seventeenth triple-espresso, begins 97th consecutive hour of research, sees tracer lights materializing out of nowhere]

Max Green · Post #1532 » by **Max Green** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 3:26 pm

eagle13 wrote:
The only red flag has been Parker's conditioning. He was said to be overweight this spring, but McKinney said Parker looked great a couple of weeks ago in California, where McKinney watched him work out. Parker broke his foot at Simeon and McKinney conjectured that the Blue Devils were careful to not push him.

Wojciechowski said Parker's conditioning was an occasional issue at Duke.

"Yes, but not unique to any other freshman," Wojo said. "As good of a high school program that he came from and as talented as he is, the jump from any high school senior to an elite-level college basketball player is a very difficult one. There were things. Is he in as good a condition as he will be? No, but he's going to get there."

didn't read entire thread - any info on his broken foot or being over weight out of condition? That's a bad combination.

In preparation for the Fiba U-17 Tourny his foot got stepped on in practice causing a hairline fracture in his big toe, where apparrantly it healed in 48 hours. He fractured his heel during the Tournament and still played on it only missing 3 games. Once his heel healed, he came back and played the majority of his high school Senior year (only missing a couple of games at the beginning of the season) and then went on to play big minutes at Duke last year without missing a game.

BucksFanSD · Post #1533 » by **BucksFanSD** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 3:26 pm

I'm fine with drafting Parker at #2 had we at least remained silent or tried to bluff that our choice was going to be Wiggins in attempt to trade with Philly for pick #3 (Parker) and #10.

Stating right off the bat that we're high on Parker is dumb, especially when the team picking behind you has been rumored for a long time to "do whatever it takes" to get their guy Wiggins.

There is still time for the Bucks to be more of a mystery in their draft plans but my guess is they will will remain pro-Parker up until they make Parker their pick. I think it's almost a lock Embiid goes #1.

VooDoo7 · Post #1534 » by **VooDoo7** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 3:30 pm

BucksFanSD wrote:I'm fine with drafting Parker at #2 had we at least remained silent or tried to bluff that our choice was going to be Wiggins in attempt to trade with Philly for pick #3 (Parker) and #10.

Stating right off the bat that we're high on Parker is dumb, especially when the team picking behind you has been rumored for a long time to "do whatever it takes" to get their guy Wiggins.

There is still time for the Bucks to be more of a mystery in their draft plans but my guess is they will will remain pro-Parker up until they make Parker their pick. I think it's almost a lock Embiid goes #1.

Agreed. If Parker really is our guy, it blows my mind that Lasry would be so open about it. Not smart at all. Especially since Lasry is such a big poker player.

Hopefully it's all BS and Wiggins is really our guy.

Bucksfan28 · Post #1535 » by **Bucksfan28** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 3:38 pm

LedZepp007 wrote:Why do you want an underbuilt guy with a serious back problem to lead our team then?

And Wiggins' athleticism (most of it) was given to him in his DNA. I'm sure he's worked hard, but there's no way he's out worked Parker (or Embiid for that matter).

Matches Malone · Post #1536 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 3:44 pm

I get the sense that Edens likes Wiggins and Lasry likes Parker. I think it was reported a few weeks ago that they flipped a coin to see who would get the final say for the first 5 years and Edens won. I'm just spit balling here but I hope we take Wiggins because Edens likes him more. I'm pro Wiggins so i'm biased but I guess we'll see. For all we know, these Parker reports could be smokescreens. I just don't know...

LedZepp007 · Post #1537 » by **LedZepp007** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 3:48 pm

Let's be honest -- no one really knows anything at this point. But it is 99% likely that we are getting one of Wiggins, Embiid, or Parker. I'm extremely happy with any of those outcomes.

Badgerlander · Post #1538 » by **Badgerlander** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 3:53 pm

emunney wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:New DX mock up, has Cavs going Embiid and Bucks taking Jabari.

Rest of the lotto has a big shake-up.

4. Smart
5. Vonleh
6. Exum
7. Randle
8. McDermott
9. Stauskas

I think it's in reaction to the Magic having Smart back for a second look and them being so high on him last year. The Jazz seem hesitant to add another PG and put pressure on Burke, so it could shake out like this. It will be interesting to see if there ends up being a trade at 6 or 7 that shakes things up further. Have to think the Celtics get Kevin Love if Exum is there at #6.

MadBlueEdwards · Post #1539 » by **MadBlueEdwards** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:43 pm

BucksFanSD wrote:I'm fine with drafting Parker at #2 had we at least remained silent or tried to bluff that our choice was going to be Wiggins in attempt to trade with Philly for pick #3 (Parker) and #10.

Stating right off the bat that we're high on Parker is dumb, especially when the team picking behind you has been rumored for a long time to "do whatever it takes" to get their guy Wiggins.

There is still time for the Bucks to be more of a mystery in their draft plans but my guess is they will will remain pro-Parker up until they make Parker their pick. I think it's almost a lock Embiid goes #1.

I mentioned this a couple weeks ago, but this is kind of why I think we might be after Wiggins. If Edens/Lasry keep pumping up Parker, Philly is more likely to sit tight and wait for the guy they want (Wiggins) to fall into their laps. If they knew we wanted Wiggins, I could see them making a big offer to Cleveland for the top pick so they could take him ahead of us.

If we continue downplaying our interest in Wiggins, Philly stays right where they are, we get him, and they get Parker.

Maybe I'm overthinking things though.

UWM_Brew_Buck · Post #1540 » by **UWM_Brew_Buck** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:52 pm

MadBlueEdwards wrote:
BucksFanSD wrote:I'm fine with drafting Parker at #2 had we at least remained silent or tried to bluff that our choice was going to be Wiggins in attempt to trade with Philly for pick #3 (Parker) and #10.

Stating right off the bat that we're high on Parker is dumb, especially when the team picking behind you has been rumored for a long time to "do whatever it takes" to get their guy Wiggins.

There is still time for the Bucks to be more of a mystery in their draft plans but my guess is they will will remain pro-Parker up until they make Parker their pick. I think it's almost a lock Embiid goes #1.

I mentioned this a couple weeks ago, but this is kind of why I think we might be after Wiggins. If Edens/Lasry keep pumping up Parker, Philly is more likely to sit tight and wait for the guy they want (Wiggins) to fall into their laps. If they knew we wanted Wiggins, I could see them making a big offer to Cleveland for the top pick so they could take him ahead of us.

If we continue downplaying our interest in Wiggins, Philly stays right where they are, we get him, and they get Parker.

Maybe I'm overthinking things though.

That is for sure a possibility. Obviously no one knows what is really going to happen but there is a lot to be lost by anyone in the top three by tipping their hand. I'd be surprised if our owners were dumb enough to let others know who we are targeting.

Assuming Embiid goes #1, who is your guy at #2?