Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd (as coach pg 43)?

[machu46]

This article is unbelievably bad.

I especially like how he compares him to Jerry Jones and the Memphis owner. While Jerry Jones sucks now, he owned the Cowboys when they won three in a row. Memphis has built a consistent 50+ game winner. I'll take either of those things for this franchise.

I also think it's hilarious that he uses the quote of telling people what you are going to do and then honoring what you said. He did tell people what he was going to do... he said we are going to rebuild and we are. Obviously he isn't going to lay every single thing out on the table that we are going to do along the way.

How many owners "meddle" more than Cuban? The Mavs have been extremely successful under him and he has his hands in everything.

Greg Doyel is often a fun guy to listen to and probably to have a few beers with, but he often seems to write while having those beers. A few years ago, he wrote some scathing things about then MD head coach Gary Williams that were proven to be not true. I think he did later own up to it and apologized, but that's what he does - jumps to strong righteous conclusions without having the facts.

Did the same during the Bernie Fine "scandal" and never apologized for it.

[Kerb Hohl]

I don't care about Larry Drew being replaced while still on the job. Happens all the time.

The reason the media firestorm is out there is because Kidd has a 20 year body of work in dealing with people, including the media. And it's generally all bad. So this is their turn to get back at him. He's not a good person.

And even that I don't necessarily care about. Gregg Doyle put out a **** article? Woj is being high and mighty about something? SHOCKING. NEWS AT ELEVEN.

All I care about is we now have what looks like a pattern of owner meddling. Given we just ended the Kohl era of meddling, I don't know why more people aren't upset about this.

Owner meddling:

[Newz]

All I care about is we now have what looks like a pattern of owner meddling. Given we just ended the Kohl era of meddling, I don't know why more people aren't upset about this.

1. What owners don't "meddle" on some level? I don't care if they have input on things or make certain decisions. I care that those decisions have a direction and that the direction isn't to be mediocre... that it's to attempt to achieve greatness.

2. Beyond that I hope that they are smart enough/lucky enough to pull it off and turn the Bucks into a consistent winner.

3. If you are going to get upset when they "meddle" and try to hire a new coach and/or front office person... then I'm not sure how we are going to run a team. It also looks like these guys seem to have some level of interest in keeping Hammond around. How do you know Hammond isn't on board with hiring Kidd?

[bizarro]

I don't care about Larry Drew being replaced while still on the job. Happens all the time.

The reason the media firestorm is out there is because Kidd has a 20 year body of work in dealing with people, including the media. And it's generally all bad. So this is their turn to get back at him. He's not a good person.

And even that I don't necessarily care about. Gregg Doyle put out a **** article? Woj is being high and mighty about something? SHOCKING. NEWS AT ELEVEN.

All I care about is we now have what looks like a pattern of owner meddling. Given we just ended the Kohl era of meddling, I don't know why more people aren't upset about this.

RS, I really don't understand why you're reacting to this in the way you are. We have no track record here. This is the early early process of the 'take over'. In the long run, you may be correct...they may be 'meddlers'. BUT, I do want to add caution to what I perceive to be overreactions: The owners have been clear from Day 1 they will focus on the business side of things while the basketball people handle the basketball side of things. They were up front about this year's Number 1 pick. And, I don't think it's unreasonable to just let them go about the restructuring bit very hands-on. And, yes, some of us will agree or disagree with who they select and how it goest down but I just don't think there are any early indications they are colossal meddlers. And, of course, I could be wrong. I just don't see it.

[emunney]

I don't care about Larry Drew being replaced while still on the job. Happens all the time.

The reason the media firestorm is out there is because Kidd has a 20 year body of work in dealing with people, including the media. And it's generally all bad. So this is their turn to get back at him. He's not a good person.

And even that I don't necessarily care about. Gregg Doyle put out a **** article? Woj is being high and mighty about something? SHOCKING. NEWS AT ELEVEN.

All I care about is we now have what looks like a pattern of owner meddling. Given we just ended the Kohl era of meddling, I don't know why more people aren't upset about this.

What's the pattern?

[[MIKE C]]

What ESBF is talking about:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HeySpeedy/status/483590772005277697[/tweet]

Josh Hayes @HeySpeedy
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@brewcitypaul just curious if you know who BP on RealGM is, I know who he is and that his source won't be able to provide much anymore

Well hold on now all you Debbie Downers. Josh Hayes said BP's source won't be able to provide "much", not "won't be able to provide anything at all." The well might not be completely dry. Maybe BP's source is just in a different role, has a different level of access, or maybe information isn't shared as freely anymore. But maybe BP will still be able to come up with a nugget every once in a while. I'm still clinging to hope. And I agree with those that said even if BP doesn't have inside info, they hope he continues to post here and share his opinions.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't care about Larry Drew being replaced while still on the job. Happens all the time.

The reason the media firestorm is out there is because Kidd has a 20 year body of work in dealing with people, including the media. And it's generally all bad. So this is their turn to get back at him. He's not a good person.

And even that I don't necessarily care about. Gregg Doyle put out a **** article? Woj is being high and mighty about something? SHOCKING. NEWS AT ELEVEN.

All I care about is we now have what looks like a pattern of owner meddling. Given we just ended the Kohl era of meddling, I don't know why more people aren't upset about this.

What's the pattern?

First was the draft choice, now the coaching hire.

[paulpressey25]

All I care about is we now have what looks like a pattern of owner meddling. Given we just ended the Kohl era of meddling, I don't know why more people aren't upset about this.

Because Kidd is PPGZ and Swag. We've not had that here in a long time so people are eating it up.

My problem is that I see a complete incongruity with hiring Kidd and the owner's concept we'd build with youth, develop them and be like the Spurs model.

[emunney]

And even that I don't necessarily care about. Gregg Doyle put out a **** article? Woj is being high and mighty about something? SHOCKING. NEWS AT ELEVEN.

All I care about is we now have what looks like a pattern of owner meddling. Given we just ended the Kohl era of meddling, I don't know why more people aren't upset about this.

What's the pattern?

First was the draft choice, now the coaching hire.

The basketball people wanted somebody else and were overruled?

[crkone]

What ESBF is talking about:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HeySpeedy/status/483590772005277697[/tweet]

Josh Hayes @HeySpeedy
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@brewcitypaul just curious if you know who BP on RealGM is, I know who he is and that his source won't be able to provide much anymore

Well hold on now all you Debbie Downers. Josh Hayes said BP's source won't be able to provide "much", not "won't be able to provide anything at all." The well might not be completely dry. Maybe BP's source is just in a different role, has a different level of access, or maybe information isn't shared as freely anymore. But maybe BP will still be able to come up with a nugget every once in a while. I'm still clinging to hope. And I agree with those that said even if BP doesn't have inside info, they hope he continues to post here and share his opinions.

Maybe his source is still friends with people still in-the-know, so if the source of the source gets info, we may get info.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't care about Larry Drew being replaced while still on the job. Happens all the time.

The reason the media firestorm is out there is because Kidd has a 20 year body of work in dealing with people, including the media. And it's generally all bad. So this is their turn to get back at him. He's not a good person.

And even that I don't necessarily care about. Gregg Doyle put out a **** article? Woj is being high and mighty about something? SHOCKING. NEWS AT ELEVEN.

All I care about is we now have what looks like a pattern of owner meddling. Given we just ended the Kohl era of meddling, I don't know why more people aren't upset about this.

RS, I really don't understand why you're reacting to this in the way you are. We have no track record here. This is the early early process of the 'take over'. In the long run, you may be correct...they may be 'meddlers'. BUT, I do want to add caution to what I perceive to be overreactions: The owners have been clear from Day 1 they will focus on the business side of things while the basketball people handle the basketball side of things. They were up front about this year's Number 1 pick. And, I don't think it's unreasonable to just let them go about the restructuring bit very hands-on. And, yes, some of us will agree or disagree with who they select and how it goest down but I just don't think there are any early indications they are colossal meddlers. And, of course, I could be wrong. I just don't see it.

Right, and that's exactly what they're NOT doing. If they were, they would hire a POBO to oversee the basketball operations (like, you know, hiring a new GM who could then hire a coach) and they'd stay out of the way.

[emunney]

Kidd is PPGZ and swag? I have no idea what either of those things mean apparently. Kidd was the exact opposite of that as a player.

[Frank Nova]

Man I can't stand that Gery Woelful guy. I feel bad for the ppl in MKE that have to constantly listen to him or see his face. I read his tweets every now and again and everything the guy says just seems to infuriate me to the fullest. His last tweet was pure gold about how "unprofessional" it was to do this to Larry Drew. Drew and Woelful should go work at a Starbucks together for minimum wage because between then actual coaching and journalism, ur looking at 2 of the worst IMO. What a hack Woelful is tho. My goodness. His twitter picture even makes him look like some scummy used car salesman u couldn't trust

[ReasonablySober]

What's the pattern?

First was the draft choice, now the coaching hire.

The basketball people wanted somebody else and were overruled?

Parker may have been the choice of the basketball people too. But he was definitely the choice for L&E.

[Craig_Hodges]

If I wanted to come up with names of coaches I'd like to have to develop Giannis, Jabari, Wolters, Middleton, etc, Kidd would be far down the list.

If the Bucks are in big market I would agree with you. But they are not. Kidd would bring "NBA feel" to the town. Young guys dream of NBA life and then when they come to Milwaukee they say "ok, nice people, but where is NBA?". Now they will see Kidd and say "hay! It's NBA! I made it". Do you know what I mean? Kidd would bring NBA to Milwaukee. So to speak. New owners are not stupid and I think they realised they need to change image of Milwaukee and to make it more "NBA like" town. Kidd is one of top 10 NBA brands IMO.

Plus he is not bad coach really. With all injuries and mess they had last year they actually had good record considering everything. Also his attittude may not be great fit with veterans like Garnett and Pierce but should be good fit with kids like Gianis and Jabari. Both of them probably had his poster on the wall at some point in their life.

Something along these lines is exactly what I think is going on here from Lasry/Edens perspective. Their "A Number 1" goal is a new arena and I think all of their actions need to be read through that lens. They think they need to hire someone that intrigues the 25-45 year old crowd that has stopped paying attention to the Bucks altogether. They're more than ok with some discord and drama as long as people are at least talking about the Bucks again. This isn't about building a "spurs like" organization at this point. They have a year or so to turn public opinion on a new arena...that's all they care about. The collateral damage of getting that done isn't worrying them too much at this point.

[glenn]

All I care about is we now have what looks like a pattern of owner meddling. Given we just ended the Kohl era of meddling, I don't know why more people aren't upset about this.

Because Kidd is PPGZ and Swag. We've not had that here in a long time so people are eating it up.

My problem is that I see a complete incongruity with hiring Kidd and the owner's concept we'd build with youth, develop them and be like the Spurs model.

That is extremely disingenuous. PPGZ and Swag? I doubt anyone thinks that, and I don’t see how that reflects Kidd as a player or coach.

[paulpressey25]

Kidd is PPGZ and swag? I have no idea what either of those things mean apparently. Kidd was the exact opposite of that as a player.

My point is that he's a celebrity high profile figure the casual fan knows well. Whether he is the guy you want to give the car keys to as the focal point of your franchise is another matter.

[emunney]

First was the draft choice, now the coaching hire.

The basketball people wanted somebody else and were overruled?

Parker may have been the choice of the basketball people too. But he was definitely the choice for L&E.

So if they get their preference without having to get involved, that's still meddling?

[Aaron It Out]

I would totally pay half a billion dollars for a team and then not bring my own people in or have a say on decisions.

Honestly, we all expected them to bring their own people in. This is them doing that. I keep seeing the term "meddlers" like every meddler guns for the 8th seed and makes moves to do so. L&E are still the owners and they want to see a proper rebuild. Kidd would be coming in (presumably as coach and future POBO) with that understanding.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the position of POBO vacant for a while.

[BobbyLight]

Replace Jason Kidd's name with Jerry Sloan or an unknown (new to HC ranks) and this isn't even a story.

I guess the problem is that Kidd has made his name worth being a story, especially the last year with the cup incident and DUI.

Then people talk about the Lawrence Frank thing. The thing that... the players actually appear to have supported?

Dreon Willimas:

""I think Jason is really coming into his own and is getting a feel for it," Williams told BleacherReport.com. "It's just not the fact that Lawrence Frank is not there. I think just Jason has a better understanding of managing the game, managing the team. He's the one voice right now.""

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

I think everyone's problem is that Kidd doesn't do things in a nicey nice way. For so long I have read posters here say "We shouldn't worry about if people want to be in Milwaukee" or "We can't worry about character as much as we do". Well, here's something that is throwing nice out the window and just going for it. The problem is that we're doing it all for an inexperienced hire and I can understand frustration at that.

The things that baffles me is people are both saying this is too much liked the old (Meddling) or it's not being "handled the right way". What is that right way? This happens every offseason in the NBA, teams interview coaches while they have one. Sometimes even go as far as not firing a coach until they have a commitment from the next guy. BASTARDS, I say! Problem is, here, the news got out before it should have.

I can understand taking issue with Kidd, he's still an unknown. But what I do know, I can see some things I liked. He took the ball out of the "stars" hand and went with Livingston. He wanted to trade Lopez for players that would have made his team better (Sanders/Ersan). He won a 7 game series with game 7 on the road. He had a terrible start to his first year, but I don't see how anyone could argue the second half of year 1 was anything other than pretty damn good.

Time's going to tell on these things. Is Lasry as bad as Dolan? Is Kidd a terrible human being who's also an awful basketball coach? I'm going with wait and see on those things. Because if it turns out Kidd is a great coach and has us competing in the playoffs year after year, this will go down as looking genius. I'll cross my fingers for that result.