Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

[Badgerlander]

Remember when people wanted Bradley?

Still do, he’s had some crazy injuries this season. Tobes shooting great from downtown, clips won that trade easy

[emunney]

Ok, but don't tell me that trading away 25-30 minutes of quality 3&D wing play for 20-25 minutes of quality C play in Marcin Gortat or Dewayne Dedmon in anyway accomplishes this ultimate goal of investing that money in great players. It doesn't. You're just reallocating that money to older, similar caliber players and shuffling deck chairs.

It would free up the money 1-2 years earlier and balance the roster.

[BroncoBuck]

Remember when people wanted Bradley?

Bradley has been one of the most overrated players in the league for a while. Undersized at the 2 and not a good enough ball handler/distributor at the 1. His defense was elite a few years ago, but it hasn’t been the same. And on top of that he is always dealing with an injury.

He’d be fun on the Spurs I guess. Pop would maximize his abilities just as Stevens did, but pretty much anywhere else he’s just an average player. High usage, decent output. Doesn’t make the needle move one direction or the other.

[jmart762]

I'd be more than OK with this: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y72fsdyl

and slightly less OK with this: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7wwgojl

To me, Brogdon and Bledsoe are a wash overall, but Brogdon is a much better fit. Meanwhile, DJ over any of our centers is a colossal upgrade. Plus, this feels like a package that would allow the Clips to "remain competitive."

I was thinking of something similar. Bledsoe and Henson and throw-in (pick, Vaugh, Wilson) for DAJ and Lou Williams. Works in the checker. Would be dependent on the Clippers wanting cap space in 18 or 19. And then follow up with a trade for Dedmon or Hernangomez or something cheap.

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[Tfence92]

I'd be more than OK with this: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y72fsdyl

and slightly less OK with this: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7wwgojl

To me, Brogdon and Bledsoe are a wash overall, but Brogdon is a much better fit. Meanwhile, DJ over any of our centers is a colossal upgrade. Plus, this feels like a package that would allow the Clips to "remain competitive."

I was thinking of something similar. Bledsoe and Henson and throw-in (pick, Vaugh, Wilson) for DAJ and Lou Williams. Works in the checker. Would be dependent on the Clippers wanting cap space in 18 or 19. And then follow up with a trade for Dedmon or Hernangomez or something cheap.

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Clippers can get a first for Lou plus they want teams to take Wes or Doc Jr to shed money. No way you're getting DJ and Lou for that lol.

That said, watching Wesley Johnson a bit this year, I wouldn't mind him. Can't shoot but he's a plus defender and brings a ton of energy. I think he would work ok in a faster paced offense like ours.

[drone3]

Wouldn't mind Tyreke running our second unit

[blazza18]

Wouldn't mind Tyreke running our second unit

Giannis and Middleton already do that.

[Baddy Chuck]

Rolo please.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Points per 100 possessions:
Milwaukee Bucks w/ Plumlee on the court (+11.7)
1. Golden State Warriors (+10.5)
Milwaukee Bucks w/ Henson on the court (+7.4)
2. Houston Rockets (+7.4)
3. Toronto Raptors (+6.8)
4. Boston Celtics (+4.4)
5. Oklahoma City Thunder (+3.9)
6. San Antonio Spurs (+3.8)
7. Minnesota Timberwolves (+3.2)
8. Philadelphia 76ers (+2.4)
9. Indiana Pacers (+1.6)
10. Washington Wizards (+1.5)
11. New Orleans Pelicans (+1.2)
12. Portland Trail Blazers (+0.7)
14. LA Clippers (+0.6)
15. Cleveland Cavaliers (+0.3)
16. Denver Nuggets (0.0)
17. Charlotte Hornets (-0.1)
18. Utah Jazz (-0.9)
19. Miami Heat (-1.2)
20. Detroit Pistons (-1.2)
21. New York Knicks (-1.3)
22. Dallas Mavericks (-2.2)
23. Los Angeles Lakers (-3.0)
24. Memphis Grizzlies (-3.1)
25. Brooklyn Nets (-3.9)
26. Atlanta Hawks (-4.6)
27. Orlando Magic (-4.9)
28. Chicago Bulls (-6.1)
29. Phoenix Suns (-7.3)
Milwaukee Bucks w/ Thon on the court (-9.4)
30. Sacramento Kings (-9.6)

Plumlee has only played 19 minutes this season so take his rating with a grain of salt. Obviously the Bucks are not going to continue playing better than the Warriors when Plumlee is on the floor. Nonetheless, this should support the notion that you can't trade John Henson unless you are trying to tank the season. The main problem with the Bucks all season has been Thon Maker. The Bucks play like an elite team any time Thon Maker is not on the floor. If the Bucks are going to make a trade, it needs to be to find somebody to take Maker's minute.

Well then Bucks better sign Plumlee fast at the start of the off season - offer him $12mil right out the gate so Bucks stay ahead of the crowd rushing to sign him.

The point here (obviously) is that our offense is 2nd best in the league when Henson is on the floor and 2nd worst in the league when Thon is on the floor. Those are both massive sample sizes.

I’m curious how both of those guys stack up in this stat only looking at minutes they share the floor with Giannis. If it is still this wide of a gap than we need to trade Thon or send him to the G League immediately.

Just to be clear, this isn't just offense. This is overall net rating.

Giannis & Henson on the floor together (+9.5, 973 minutes)
Henson, no Giannis (-3.4, 210 minutes)
Giannis & Thon (-2.0, 514 minutes)
Thon, no Giannis (-17.6, 359 minutes)

[FlagsFlyForever]

The main problem with the Bucks all season has been Thon Maker. The Bucks play like an elite team any time Thon Maker is not on the floor. If the Bucks are going to make a trade, it needs to be to find somebody to take Maker's minute.

Prunty has made a major adjustment to cover this up. Giannis goes to the bench for rest at the 6 minute mark of the first quarter. He then comes back in concurrent with Thon or a minute into Thon's first appearance.

Has two benefits. Giannis can cover up for Thon running around like a chicken with his head cut off by providing help defense. Two, Giannis then feasts on the other team's second unit.

This seems to be a thing now.

You're disguising the problem but you're not solving the problem. Thon and Giannis playing together results in a Bucks lineup that performs basically at a neutral level. This is a huge improvement from what Thon lineups typically give the team without Giannis, but is this how we want to use our superstar's minutes? To be a carpet that we sweep Thon underneath? In order to play Giannis when Thon is in the game, the Bucks are taking away Giannis' minutes from the core which has been a dominant lineup all season long. Out of 55 four-man lineups this season (minimum 450 minutes), the Bucks lineup of PG-Snell-Middleton-Giannis-Henson is the #1 performing lineup in the NBA. They perform at a higher level than the #2 lineup of Curry-Durant-Thompson-Draymond-C!

If the Bucks can acquire a decent center, not a great center but just any center who is playable, then they can maximize Giannis' minutes with the core and play their dominant lineup as much as possible. Or they have the option to continue playing Giannis with the backup center against the opponent's second unit which should be sizable advantage for the Bucks. Either way is better than continuing to play Thon and either way should make the Bucks legitimate contenders to win the East.

[cameroncrazies2]

Tony Snell has no value around the league. The exact reason people are talking about how valuable guys like Brown and Brogdon are is the exact reason nobody wants to take on a contract like Snell. It's not much, but it's the middling contracts that kill a teams chances to acquire or keep stats (i.e. Delly, Telly).

As for Asik, the Pels have to acquire proven talent via trades and FA rather than hope to draft and develop a guy at pick 19 to keep Davis around and maximize his time in NO. The trade fell thru because Mirotic wouldn't waive his apparent no trade clause (or whatever it is) if the team didn't guarantee picking up his contract. So they were using him as a valuable piece this year to keep winning while DMC is out while also allowing him to walk in FA and have cap room. Clearing Asiks contract to gain about $15M in cap room is way more valuable than drafting someone who's highly likely to never pan out.

[Fotis St]

I am still sticking to my Vaughn and a 2nd rd. for Willy H. or a 2nd rd. for KOQ.

Keep it simple, stupid.

I could see us shopping around Vaughn + a 2nd for the best big we can get on the market.

Henangomez or KOQ would be great. I don't know if we could get either that cheaply though.

Doesn't seem like that much incentive for the Knicks. And if Noah is done there the minutes crunch isn't quite as crazy as it is with him in tow.

Yes, had same thougt as our trade chips ...

A Center for Vaughn and a 2nd ...

I was thinking all Sacramento Centers ... Koufos, WCS,Papagiannis

From the non star Centers ... I really like Olynyk ... he has shown he can be very effective, he is smart and can play in and out. I guess Snell for Olynyk straight up would be fair.

[paulpressey25]

You're disguising the problem but you're not solving the problem. Thon and Giannis playing together results in a Bucks lineup that performs basically at a neutral level. This is a huge improvement from what Thon lineups typically give the team without Giannis, but is this how we want to use our superstar's minutes? To be a carpet that we sweep Thon underneath?

You never have to worry about me being fooled by Thon.

But the fact Prunty has figured out how to hide him is striking and almost no one is talking about it. All the guys on twitter like Dean and Eric who diagram every play need to pick up on this. Prunty let's Giannis wreck holy hell on teams second units now with the new minutes rotation.

At the same time, Thon is allowed to run around as usual like a chicken with his head cut off on defense and Giannis is always there with the help defense AND rebounding.

If you can't replace Thon, what Prunty has done is pure genius. This is the most important adjustment he's made over Kidd.

[Wisky4life]

This team is really just short of a backup Center and 3pt shooter......All signs to me point to Dedmon and Bellinelli.
If they would take Delly, Maker and Wilson.

[Fotis St]

Terry and cash for Noel

Let the Jet retire as a Maverick

[SirChurros]

Do you guys think the Love and Wall injuries have any impact as to how the Bucks handle the trade deadline? If so, does it make them more likely to make a significant move or less likely?

[skones]

Tony Snell making less than 10% of the salary cap isn't going to be the difference between keeping and losing Jabari.

I think it's pretty obvious that doling out long term deals at around 10 million per season to average players at best has the potential to hamper that in a pretty big way.

See, Teletovic, Delly, Snell, Henson. 41 Million Dollars committed to these bums next season. Contracts don't exist in a vacuum. They apply to your overall payroll makeup.

[SirChurros]

Tony Snell making less than 10% of the salary cap isn't going to be the difference between keeping and losing Jabari.

I think it's pretty obvious that doling out long term deals at around 10 million per season to average players at best has the potential to hamper that in a pretty big way.

See, Teletovic, Delly, Snell, Henson. 41 Million Dollars committed to these bums next season. Contracts don't exist in a vacuum. They apply to your overall payroll makeup.

Snell and Henson are living up to their contracts right now.

[skones]

Tony Snell making less than 10% of the salary cap isn't going to be the difference between keeping and losing Jabari.

I think it's pretty obvious that doling out long term deals at around 10 million per season to average players at best has the potential to hamper that in a pretty big way.

See, Teletovic, Delly, Snell, Henson. 41 Million Dollars committed to these bums next season. Contracts don't exist in a vacuum. They apply to your overall payroll makeup.

Snell and Henson are living up to their contracts right now.

Your standard shouldn't be "living up to your contract." It should be overall value exceeds salary. That's how championship rosters are put together.

As far as Snell "living up to his contract?" I disagree. He's a guy. Average defense. Low volume three point shooter. That's about as meh as you can get. There are options that give you 90% of what he does at a fraction of the cost. THOSE are the players that not only provide you quality minutes, but also offer the club a ton more payroll flexibility, ie. a clear path to getting better.

Nobody can tell me their comfortable with Tony Snell's production and then see guys like Justin Holiday and Reggie Bullock doing what they're doing this season (both of whom were trumpeted here all offseason long).

[M-C-G]

Tony Snell making less than 10% of the salary cap isn't going to be the difference between keeping and losing Jabari.

I think it's pretty obvious that doling out long term deals at around 10 million per season to average players at best has the potential to hamper that in a pretty big way.

See, Teletovic, Delly, Snell, Henson. 41 Million Dollars committed to these bums next season. Contracts don't exist in a vacuum. They apply to your overall payroll makeup.

Snell and Henson are living up to their contracts right now.

I think the point is what is the opportunity cost, would you rather have Snell and Henson living up to their contracts or having Paul George on your roster. You can go find Snell and Henson's after you get a Paul George but if you have Snell and Hensons you aren't adding a Paul George or free agent more than likely.