Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[Shaffty]

any reason to believe this?

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none what so ever, Lamont is always wrong, anyone with true access to insiders wouldnt leak because thats how the flow of info stops

[emunney]

Just want to point out given Tjarks article that Donte is still younger than rookie Brogdon. I wouldn't mind trading for Bogdan but I don't think we need to do it purely as a demonstration for Giannis.

[humanrefutation]

any reason to believe this?

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none what so ever, Lamont is always wrong, anyone with true access to insiders wouldnt leak because thats how the flow of info stops

It's also ridiculous on its face. He played in the entire ECF, so to blame him "milking his injury" for the loss in the ECF is just wrong. Also, being injured for a significant time wasn't going to help his market value.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

It's also ridiculous on its face. He played in the entire ECF, so to blame him "milking his injury" for the loss in the ECF is just wrong.

I think the theory is that it might have affected chemistry having him out so long and then coming back right before. chemistry both on the floor and in the lockerrom where everybody was aware he wanted out and wasn't happy.

Also, being injured for a significant time wasn't going to help his market value.

guys lay down all the time to protect their value. for all we know his agents who were actively looking for other options could have gotten word from other teams theyd rather he was protecting his health then trying to win a championship. we KNOW that free agency is the wild west now so the assumption is his agents were trying to line stuff up in april and may like apparently everybody else was

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

it doesn't matter anyway. were getting better production from the guys who have taken his minutes..... and brogdon is again... as expected.... out. not much to suggest so far that management didn't hit another one out of the park unless brogdons usage rate is what was important to you. I get that was his biggest concern but I never cared.

[Chuck Diesel]

Not a fan of Tjarks

[PG Graveyard]

Just want to point out given Tjarks article that Donte is still younger than rookie Brogdon. I wouldn't mind trading for Bogdan but I don't think we need to do it purely as a demonstration for Giannis.

Yeah there is certainly no reason to panic. Let our guys develop a little longer and see how it goes. It' s a long season.

[humanrefutation]

It's also ridiculous on its face. He played in the entire ECF, so to blame him "milking his injury" for the loss in the ECF is just wrong.

I think the theory is that it might have affected chemistry having him out so long and then coming back right before. chemistry both on the floor and in the lockerrom where everybody was aware he wanted out and wasn't happy.

It isn't being reported as a "theory." That doofus is claiming that an insider told him that, and it plainly makes no sense as they won the first three games he played in the playoffs and he was the second best player on the team in the ECF.

Also, being injured for a significant time wasn't going to help his market value.

guys lay down all the time to protect their value. for all we know his agents who were actively looking for other options could have gotten word from other teams theyd rather he was protecting his health then trying to win a championship. we KNOW that free agency is the wild west now so the assumption is his agents were trying to line stuff up in april and may like apparently everybody else was

Nah, still don't buy it. Perhaps if he was on a bum team and was a player with that reputation, I could see that. But for a player with injury questions, being out for two months during the stretch run would only inhibit his value. Besides, Brogdon doesn't seem like that kind of dude. He's competitive/ He wants to win. Showcasing himself down the stretch and the playoffs might have gotten him an even bigger deal than he got from Indiana. Besides, he also is, by all accounts, a man of integrity.

[emunney]

Not a fan of Tjarks

I sympathize with him. He falls in love with takes on certain guys and incorporates them into his identity.

Brogdon is his guy. He's exuberant about his early success in Indiana and thinks the doubters should be punished. It's weighing on him. This is how it comes out.

[humanrefutation]

it doesn't matter anyway. were getting better production from the guys who have taken his minutes.

No. We're not.

[paulpressey25]

As Epi always said---Occam's Razor

Sometimes you have to do things to please the boss. Like he did 18-months ago here.

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[Commenter]

i don't like how tjarks talks

this is commenter, signing off from appleton

[MiltownHawkeye]

Not a fan of Tjarks

I sympathize with him. He falls in love with takes on certain guys and incorporates them into his identity.

Brogdon is his guy. He's exuberant about his early success in Indiana and thinks the doubters should be punished. It's weighing on him. This is how it comes out.

Yeah he basically straight-up admitted the Bucks haven't missed a beat without Brogdon but that they should have thrown money at him on the premise Giannis wants us to go as far into the tax as possible.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

It's also ridiculous on its face. He played in the entire ECF, so to blame him "milking his injury" for the loss in the ECF is just wrong.

I think the theory is that it might have affected chemistry having him out so long and then coming back right before. chemistry both on the floor and in the lockerrom where everybody was aware he wanted out and wasn't happy.

It isn't being reported as a "theory." That doofus is claiming that an insider told him that, and it plainly makes no sense as they won the first three games he played in the playoffs and he was the second best player on the team in the ECF.

Also, being injured for a significant time wasn't going to help his market value.

guys lay down all the time to protect their value. for all we know his agents who were actively looking for other options could have gotten word from other teams theyd rather he was protecting his health then trying to win a championship. we KNOW that free agency is the wild west now so the assumption is his agents were trying to line stuff up in april and may like apparently everybody else was

Nah, still don't buy it. Perhaps if he was on a bum team and was a player with that reputation, I could see that. But for a player with injury questions, being out for two months during the stretch run would only inhibit his value. Besides, Brogdon doesn't seem like that kind of dude. He's competitive/ He wants to win. Showcasing himself down the stretch and the playoffs might have gotten him an even bigger deal than he got from Indiana. Besides, he also is, by all accounts, a man of integrity.

I not trying to convince you it was true. only that its not ridiculous on its face as you proclaimed. i have no idea whether this guy has a legitimate source but im not a brogdon apologist either. we have enough evidence directly from multiple players mouths and other sources linked with the team that all was not as it seemed with brogdon last year. considering that.... i do think more will continue to come out about his time here assuming he stays relevant in the league for more than a minute.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

it doesn't matter anyway. were getting better production from the guys who have taken his minutes.

No. We're not.

sure we are. its in large part why were ahead of last year despite lopez, Bledsoe, and middleton all getting off to a shaky start or even being out.

sure Giannis has been amazing but.....hill, ddv, and brown are all shooting better from 3 this year on higher volume than brogdon last year. efficiency on average about the same as brogdon last year and light years ahead going of brogdons numbers this year. add wes in were still ahead but his impact defensively has been insane and his net ratng shows it. wes hasnt shot lights out but his percentage is better than brogdons has been this year. honestly a big factor having all 4 better defensively, shooting the ball well on extra volume, and not a single one being a bitch about their role. its been win win win win

that's not even to mention if we still had brogdon he'd be out right now with an achey back.

what possible reasoning could you use that somehow they haven't replaced him at least so far?

[DavidDunn21]

I'd really be interested to know who in a locker room full of players with career earnings in excess of 100 million dollars had a problem with Malcolm Brogdon getting his first check.

But the spin continues to be out there for those who want it

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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I'd really be interested to know who in a locker room full of players with career earnings in excess of 100 million dollars had a problem with Malcolm Brogdon getting his first check.

But the spin continues to be out there for those who want it

maybe all the other guys making what brogdon was who came in and fought admirably and helped this team down the stretch and thru the first two playoff series while brogdon was sitting on his ass directing his agents to explore his next city?

my guess would be on them

[crkone]

I'd really be interested to know who in a locker room full of players with career earnings in excess of 100 million dollars had a problem with Malcolm Brogdon getting his first check.

But the spin continues to be out there for those who want it

maybe all the other guys making what brogdon was who came in and fought admirably and helped this team down the stretch and thru the first two playoff series while brogdon was sitting on his ass directing his agents to explore his next city?

my guess would be on them

Imagine that was Middleton, who by the way had to be put in the hospital after a playoff game once because he was so sick.

[DavidDunn21]

I'd really be interested to know who in a locker room full of players with career earnings in excess of 100 million dollars had a problem with Malcolm Brogdon getting his first check.

But the spin continues to be out there for those who want it

maybe all the other guys making what brogdon was who came in and fought admirably and helped this team down the stretch and thru the first two playoff series while brogdon was sitting on his ass directing his agents to explore his next city?

my guess would be on them

You think Connaughton is Lamont's source?

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[humanrefutation]

it doesn't matter anyway. were getting better production from the guys who have taken his minutes.

No. We're not.

sure we are. its in large part why were ahead of last year despite lopez, Bledsoe, and middleton all getting off to a shaky start or even being out.

sure Giannis has been amazing but.....hill, ddv, and brown are all shooting better from 3 this year on higher volume than brogdon last year. efficiency on average about the same as brogdon last year and light years ahead going of brogdons numbers this year. add wes in were still ahead but his impact defensively has been insane and his net ratng shows it. wes hasnt shot lights out but his percentage is better than brogdons has been this year. honestly a big factor having all 4 better defensively, shooting the ball well on extra volume, and not a single one being a bitch about their role. its been win win win win

that's not even to mention if we still had brogdon he'd be out right now with an achey back.

what possible reasoning could you use that somehow they haven't replaced him at least so far?

First of all, you're conveniently ignoring the direct replacement for Brogdon - Wesley Matthews:

They signed Wesley Matthews, an aging 3-and-D guard, to take Brogdon’s spot in the starting lineup. Matthews is a more limited player who takes a much higher percentage of his field goal attempts from 3 (71.4) than Brogdon did last season (32.6), while handing out far fewer assists (0.9 per game) than his predecessor (3.2). And he’s not even as good of a 3-point shooter: Matthews is shooting 32.0 percent compared with 42.6 percent for Brogdon when he was in a similar role.

Donte and Sterling are also not shooting better than Brogdon - their percentage is actually a bit lower, though admittedly not dramatically - and it's been a much smaller sample size to judge on for them. That's ignoring some of their other limitations - Sterling was terrible in the playoffs last year, and DDV didn't play. They're also incapable of running the point for any meaningful amount of time.

That's not to mention the implication of losing Brogdon as a guy who can be a primary scorer on the second unit. A guy who can run the point and free up Hill. A guy who can provide depth at guard when necessary. And a guy who has proven that he is not willing, but capable of making an offensive impact in crunch time when most of our team disappeared.

It remains to be seen what they'll look like come playoff time. Perhaps DDV or Sterling will take a leap and become that primary offensive presence that they need with the second unit. Perhaps Wes will become a competent player with that starting unit instead of taking bad shots and missing open ones too often. Perhaps Brogdon will fade, continue to get hurt, or otherwise make it clear that it wouldn't have worked in the long term with us.

I'm not rejecting those possibilities. But my theory on Brogdon's loss is that the team will be good without him, they'll probably be able to patch together a replacement for his production for most of the season. But when the playoffs start and rotations shrink, quality rises to the top, and that's when we'll miss having someone like Brogdon who can make plays on his own. Where the amalgamation of production from elsewhere will not replace the whole package from Malcolm.