Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd (as coach pg 43)?

Post #1561 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:50 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/dan_sinclair/status/483623428969070593[/tweet]

Post #1562 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:51 pm

bigkurty wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
steger_3434 wrote:RS- if you were rich enough and bought the bucks you'd just sit back and sign checks? For **** sake if you were owner we'd have embiid.

I'd hire the smartest person I know to run the team and give them the resources ($$$) they need to get the job done.

That's bull. If you had billions, you are probably the smartest person you know. Your opinion as an owner still counts. People want to keep saying it's meddling if an owner gets involved. That's not true at all. Just cause Kohl suck ed at owning doesn't mean these guys will.

COUNTERPOINT:

James Dolan.

europa · Post #1563 » by **europa** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:51 pm

I honestly don't care who the new owners hire for whatever jobs they want to hire them for. I'm giving them a blank check to do what they think is necessary to turn this chitty team around.

My problem is not dumping people (Hammond, Morway, Drew etc.) who they clearly knew they didn't trust long-term the second the sale went through. Get rid of them then and you avoid all of this ugliness going on now. Bringing Hammond and Drew out with Parker during his press conference could end up looking every bit as pathetic as Kohl letting Grunfeld keep the GM title while Larry Harris ran his final draft or the infamous Harris/Terry Porter press conference. I'm not sure drawing comparisons to moves Kohl made is the smartest way for the Dynamic Duo to go. But that's the road they're on now, at least with the Kidd situation.

Ron Swanson · Post #1564 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:51 pm

I'm much more surprised by the backlash from this board than I am from the media. The media backlash is expected. I'm not at all surprised that these "East Coast" guys (aka ESPN hacks) are only now trying to dump on Kidd and the new owners because he's no longer "their guy".

Jason Kidd isn't the most stand-up person, but good lord, how are people not seeing how he transformed that over-capped, zero team chemistry Nets squad after they struggled out of the gate. Name me another coach that has the cajones to bench Deron Williams and get 44 wins and a playoff series win out of starting Shaun Livingston and Alan freaking Anderson down the stretch...

I'm personally excited to see what he'll be able to do with a team already having two potential star players, and by all accounts, he seems to be committed to the rebuilding process through youth and draft picks (why else would he take the job?).

The "meddling" overreactions will only be validated if the owners start hand-picking the players and contracts they want ala Kohl. Otherwise, these guys have made it clear from Day 1 that they are leaving the basketball decisions up to the people they put in place (Kidd, GM, etc.). People seem to be confusing "business decisions" with "roster decisions".

LedZepp007 · Post #1565 » by **LedZepp007** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:51 pm

@Chris_Broussard: Source : Bucks and Nets reach deal for Jason Kidd

LedZepp007 · Post #1566 » by **LedZepp007** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:52 pm

Where's the sources jpeg

Post #1567 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:52 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/espnsteinline/status/483623971183554560[/tweet]

so there it is.

machu46 · Post #1568 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:52 pm

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 3m
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Source : Bucks and Nets reach deal for Jason Kidd

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Broussard: Brooklyn #Nets would accept 1st rounder in next three or four years in Jason Kidd compensation http://sbn.to/1mNajE3

EastSideBucksFan · Post #1569 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:52 pm

[MIKE C] wrote:
Who is Josh Hayes. Is he someone you know? Is he a media guy? He could just be a poster or lurker here who is making an assumption. Although I agree that his timing along with BP's silence does give it some credence.

No idea who Josh Hayes is.

machu46 · Post #1570 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:52 pm

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ESPN sources say Bucks are sending two second-round picks to Nets to secure coaching rights to Jason Kidd

raferfenix · Post #1571 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:53 pm

So how do we turn this into a story about NY media -- and the NBA system at large -- feasting on small market franchises like ours?

I understand being highly pissed about how this has gone down (I feel that way too) but the rancor with which it is coming on the national level is something different.

The clutching of pearls wreaks of a sense of Brooklyn being jilted for Milwaukee of all places.

If Kidd were going to the Lakers no one would care at all. They sure didn't when Doc went to the Clippers, who were proven to have incomparably more irresponsible ownership than anything Lasry / Edens would possibly pull.

I hate how this went down but for the sake of our franchise and our city someone needs to push back effectively when this kind of thing happens.

LedZepp007 · Post #1572 » by **LedZepp007** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:53 pm

**** me.

LedZepp007 · Post #1573 » by **LedZepp007** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:53 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:
[MIKE C] wrote:
Who is Josh Hayes. Is he someone you know? Is he a media guy? He could just be a poster or lurker here who is making an assumption. Although I agree that his timing along with BP's silence does give it some credence.

No idea who Josh Hayes is.

What if Josh Hayes is... BuckPack!

machu46 · Post #1574 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:54 pm

I can live with two 2nd round picks. That isn't bad if Kidd ends up working out, and if he doesn't, then we're out two 2nd round picks. Not really a huge deal, especially depending on which 2nd round picks they are.

crkone · Post #1575 » by **crkone** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:54 pm

This whole situation is fantastic, good and bad. Welcome to Milwaukee Jason Kidd.

BobbyLight · Post #1576 » by **BobbyLight** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:54 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'm much more surprised by the backlash from this board than I am from the media. The media backlash is expected. I'm not at all surprised that these "East Coast" guys (aka ESPN hacks) are only now trying to dump on Kidd and the new owners because he's no longer "their guy".

Jason Kidd isn't the most stand-up person, but good lord, how are people not seeing how he transformed that over-capped, zero team chemistry Nets squad after they struggled out of the gate. Name me another coach that has the cajones to bench Deron Williams and get 44 wins and a playoff series win out of starting Shaun Livingston and Alan freaking Anderson down the stretch...

I'm personally excited to see what he'll be able to do with a team already having two potential star players, and by all accounts, he seems to be committed to the rebuilding process through youth and draft picks (why else would he take the job?).

The "meddling" overreactions will only be validated if the owners start hand-picking the players and contracts they want ala Kohl. Otherwise, these guys have made it clear from Day 1 that they are leaving the basketball decisions up to the people they put in place (Kidd, GM, etc.). People seem to be confusing "business decisions" with "roster decisions".

This. SO HARD, THIS!

Also, prepare for freakout over sending 2 second round picks. Because those are SO hard to come by, we didn't even get three this year.

Craig_Hodges · Post #1577 » by **Craig_Hodges** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:56 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
Craig_Hodges wrote:Exactly...this is all about the casual fan and moving the needle on new arena public opinion. They're willing to take the risk on the other stuff.

I actually think it goes well beyond that. My guess is that over the past couple years Lasry and Kidd have had numerous discussions about how to run an NBA team and Lasry has been eating up the answers Kidd has been providing. Given that Lasry was part owner of the Nets, probably most of Kidd's comments were against King and the Russians and were proven true over time, so Lasry has even more confidence in Kidd.

I'm now going where the puck is headed. Wasn't Kidd likely the guy a month or two ago? Now it makes total sense why they didn't immediately can Hammond and Drew. Lasry and Kidd had this friendship and Kidd was the guy all the time.

Fascinating theory...I like it a lot. If true, Kidd is some kind of evil genius. That's certainly not out of the realm of possibility I guess.

Post #1578 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:56 pm

bigkurty wrote: Just cause Kohl suck ed at owning doesn't mean these guys will.

These guys might be great. Jason Kidd might be great.

This just doesn't jibe with the narrative that we all wishfully thinking wanted to occur here the past ten years. i.e. hiring smart POBO, giving that person total control and letting that person build strong organization over years of development.

We're now bringing in George Karl part II. Talented but ego monster guy. Karl's first couple years with the Bucks both coaching and his "GM" work were great. He got a winning culture instilled, got Big Dog to play better, brought in Sam Cassell to lead the team on the court.

The problems occurred later when Karl started to lose the emotional high of things and/or started to break down with Kohl and the cronies. Then we started to see the damaging moves made because there was no long-term thinking POBO in place.

That's how I see it going down with Kidd. I think these next 24-months could be spectacular. But Kidd never has the patience though, so long-term it won't end well, unless Kidd mature significantly as a person. It will be up to Lasry to try and help him do that.

LUKE23 · Post #1579 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:56 pm

It's done. Hate it.

emunney · Post #1580 » by **emunney** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
bigkurty wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
I'd hire the smartest person I know to run the team and give them the resources ($$$) they need to get the job done.

That's bull. If you had billions, you are probably the smartest person you know. Your opinion as an owner still counts. People want to keep saying it's meddling if an owner gets involved. That's not true at all. Just cause Kohl suck ed at owning doesn't mean these guys will.

COUNTERPOINT:

James Dolan.

He inherited his.

I totally understand your concerns. I just don't think there's the evidence of a pattern that you do at this point. They said they'd put basketball people in place and get out of the way. Kidd is a basketball person. It's even possible, if optimistic, that they've vetted his name with potential POBO hires.

Do you want the Bucks to hire Jason Kidd as POBO?