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[skones]

Actually the timing is great. The Bucks abandoned the philosophy of having one of the deepest rosters in the league to create their own Big 3 in the one year that home advantage means nothing in the playoffs.

Last year?

You couldn't predict the bubble last season. This season I guess it's safe to predict that best case scenario will be 50% attendance in a playoff game. I mean we are heading to the all star break and half of the teams only have given some limited access to their fans.

I think it's flat out wrong to assume that home advantage means nothing this season. I don't think it's a coincidence that respective records down the standings indicate a pretty close to standard home court advantage as is with the bulk of those records being fleshed out prior to fans slowly filtering into arenas.

[tydett]

Can't forget that the Bucks had 4(!) of their 5 starters as free agents, and acquired Hill, who was almost certain to be cut and become a free agent. Being able to lock one of those 4 up, ahead of time, on a below-market rate deal at the time was probably a no-brainer.

[Ron Swanson]

Brogdon doing his usual efficiency regression back to below league average (54% TS) and the Pacers have cratered the last 20-games (7-13). He's 31st amongst PG's in RPM and the team is worse when he's on the floor (-1.8 differential). On top of that, he's now questionable for tonight with "knee soreness" (here we go again). No idea why people think we botched that one. So far, nearly 2 seasons in, it's looking like the complete opposite. Good for him for getting his money and putting up low/empty calorie stats on a treadmill team, but otherwise...*shrugs*

[raferfenix]

I’m still high on Brogdon and think it was a mistake to make other plans.

But Brogdon aside, let’s say extending Bledsoe was the move from an asset standpoint.

At the 2019 trade deadline I suspect a package including something like Bledsoe + 2 future firsts would have been plenty to get Holiday + Mirotic from the Pelicans while they were actively reeling from AD’s trade demand.

Whatever it would have cost exactly would have been way cheaper than what we ultimately traded. Bucks missed the boat by not bailing earlier and letting more evidence about Bledsoe’s limitations and playoff chokery pile up.

[Ruzious]

I should have known to trade Brogdon off my fantasy team before he hurt his knee. It was bound to happen.

[DingleJerry]

While I agree the Bucks were correct in their assessment on Brogdon. I also disagree with them not keeping the asset and salary slot/player there. He's a good player, even if overpaid in their correct evaluation so he helps you win if he's on the team. And since he's a good player it's much easier to work with his contract in trades than using blah guys like Brook or Hill.

Agree with someone a few posts who pointed out the value in Bled signing early and below. There was a big value to 'bird in the hand' given their upcoming FA situation that summer.

Perhaps instead of the obvious Bled/Brog decision this conversation always goes down we should be focused on choosing Brook over Brogdon. In today's NBA, we chose to pay an old big a 4 year deal instead of a 27ish yr old great shooter G/wing. Another example of teams continuing to fall for overpaying bigs even though it's obvious the league runs on shooting and Gs/wings these days.

[ReddoverKobe]

Bledsoe on the trade block. Poor guy.

[ReddoverKobe]

Facebook reminded me that two years ago today, we signed Eric Bledsoe to an extension.

That was after his monster lakers game right? Man, I felt good about that at the time.

[StickeeFingaz]

Just want to gauge interest from the board on this one, don't kill the messenger. Bill Simmons mentioned that he thinks Rondo would be interesting for the Bucks. Would bring that veteran/control the game leadership in the playoffs, he played well with Jrue in NO and I've been thinking about it. I can see it working but can also see it backfiring.

[humanrefutation]

Brogdon doing his usual efficiency regression back to below league average (54% TS) and the Pacers have cratered the last 20-games (7-13). He's 31st amongst PG's in RPM and the team is worse when he's on the floor (-1.8 differential). On top of that, he's now questionable for tonight with "knee soreness" (here we go again). No idea why people think we botched that one. So far, nearly 2 seasons in, it's looking like the complete opposite. Good for him for getting his money and putting up low/empty calorie stats on a treadmill team, but otherwise...*shrugs*

The biggest issue with letting him walk, IMO, is that it left this team a bit asset poor in terms of trying to make a trade for a bigger star - both in terms of matching salaries and in terms of generating interest from elsewhere. I imagine that if we kept him over, say, George Hill, we wouldn't have had to splash as much draft compensation to get Holiday, for example.

[drdrG]

Just want to gauge interest from the board on this one, don't kill the messenger. Bill Simmons mentioned that he thinks Rondo would be interesting for the Bucks. Would bring that veteran/control the game leadership in the playoffs, he played well with Jrue in NO and I've been thinking about it. I can see it working but can also see it backfiring.

If we can get off of DJW and DJA I would do it. He's a proven playoff performer and elite passer who is cerebral enough to help us make adjustments in the playoffs. He's also chasing championships and we won't lose anything by giving up the DJs who would have a better chance of finding their second careers in ATL than MKE

[raferfenix]

Just want to gauge interest from the board on this one, don't kill the messenger. Bill Simmons mentioned that he thinks Rondo would be interesting for the Bucks. Would bring that veteran/control the game leadership in the playoffs, he played well with Jrue in NO and I've been thinking about it. I can see it working but can also see it backfiring.

If we can get off of DJW and DJA I would do it. He's a proven playoff performer and elite passer who is cerebral enough to help us make adjustments in the playoffs. He's also chasing championships and we won't lose anything by giving up the DJs who would have a better chance of finding their second careers in ATL than MKE

Bucks could get also some breathing room beneath the hard cap in a deal with Atlanta.

And while we’re at it why don’t we go get Bogdan.

[ShootingtheJ]

Don't think the Pacers have any interest in parting ways with Holiday given that he's given them exactly what they signed him to do. Would be smarter and more feasible to look at buy-low candidates or guys who've struggled but would look better playing next to our guys. I'd be looking at J-Rich or Terrence Ross.

I think it's pretty common practice for a team outside of the playoffs to trade a 31 year old pending FA for draft compensation. I'd expect them to land a couple of 2nds for him, as there'll be multiple suitors.

[skones]

Bledsoe on the trade block. Poor guy.

I mean, it was always coming given where he was dealt to. The larger issue is that Nola absolutely did themselves no favors and tanked his value even further by playing him at the 2 next to Lonzo. With that being said, he'd take Denver to a different level and could offer a nice comeback story in Minnesota operating with a bunch of space in the paint and zero pressure.

[German Athens]

Don't think the Pacers have any interest in parting ways with Holiday given that he's given them exactly what they signed him to do. Would be smarter and more feasible to look at buy-low candidates or guys who've struggled but would look better playing next to our guys. I'd be looking at J-Rich or Terrence Ross.

I’d be super excited for josh Richardson! Admittedly I haven’t watched him much since he was in Miami, but I thought he was an all-nba caliber defender there, who gets over screens really well. I’d love him as a 6th man here. His shooting has never been really good, and this year he’s particularly down, but I think a legit defender who can guard 1-3 well who can also create on the perimeter would be huge.

I think it was RiotPunch who mentioned a brook for Richardson swap was discussed on the T&T board, and I would be all over that. I think brook is decent, but I think having competent wings is generally more important than bigs in today’s league.

[ShootingtheJ]

Brogdon doing his usual efficiency regression back to below league average (54% TS) and the Pacers have cratered the last 20-games (7-13). He's 31st amongst PG's in RPM and the team is worse when he's on the floor (-1.8 differential). On top of that, he's now questionable for tonight with "knee soreness" (here we go again). No idea why people think we botched that one. So far, nearly 2 seasons in, it's looking like the complete opposite. Good for him for getting his money and putting up low/empty calorie stats on a treadmill team, but otherwise...*shrugs*

The biggest issue with letting him walk, IMO, is that it left this team a bit asset poor in terms of trying to make a trade for a bigger star - both in terms of matching salaries and in terms of generating interest from elsewhere. I imagine that if we kept him over, say, George Hill, we wouldn't have had to splash as much draft compensation to get Holiday, for example.

True, but some of that draft compensation was from the Brogdan trade, and some of it also went out to acquire the Nwora pick.

[ShootingtheJ]

Just want to gauge interest from the board on this one, don't kill the messenger. Bill Simmons mentioned that he thinks Rondo would be interesting for the Bucks. Would bring that veteran/control the game leadership in the playoffs, he played well with Jrue in NO and I've been thinking about it. I can see it working but can also see it backfiring.

If we can get off of DJW and DJA I would do it. He's a proven playoff performer and elite passer who is cerebral enough to help us make adjustments in the playoffs. He's also chasing championships and we won't lose anything by giving up the DJs who would have a better chance of finding their second careers in ATL than MKE

Why does Atlanta do this? Also, Rondo has had good moments in the playoffs, but just as many bad times. He has just a career 49TS% in the playoffs.

I'd hope for someone better, with a less grating personality.

[skones]

Just want to gauge interest from the board on this one, don't kill the messenger. Bill Simmons mentioned that he thinks Rondo would be interesting for the Bucks. Would bring that veteran/control the game leadership in the playoffs, he played well with Jrue in NO and I've been thinking about it. I can see it working but can also see it backfiring.

If we can get off of DJW and DJA I would do it. He's a proven playoff performer and elite passer who is cerebral enough to help us make adjustments in the playoffs. He's also chasing championships and we won't lose anything by giving up the DJs who would have a better chance of finding their second careers in ATL than MKE

Bucks could get also some breathing room beneath the hard cap in a deal with Atlanta.

And while we’re at it why don’t we go get Bogdan.

I think there's probably some sort of handshake agreement with the NBA in place where the Bucks can't acquire Bogdanovic this season. Anyways, I'm not sure what Atlanta would want at this point, and I wouldn't give up DDV for him. DDV's improvement from distance which I tend to think is real though obviously jury is still out, makes it a no from me.

[Wisky4life]

Bucks: Bamba
Magic: Wilson, Rivers and Bucks 2nd
Knicks: Lopez


Sign Cousins and maybe another shooter

PG: Holiday.......Augustin....Adams
SG: DDV...........Forbes.......Merrill
SF: Middleton....Conny........Craig.......Thanisis......Nwora
PF: Giannis.......Portis........Diakite
C: Cousins........Bamba

[coolhandluke121]

I’m still high on Brogdon and think it was a mistake to make other plans.

But Brogdon aside, let’s say extending Bledsoe was the move from an asset standpoint.

At the 2019 trade deadline I suspect a package including something like Bledsoe + 2 future firsts would have been plenty to get Holiday + Mirotic from the Pelicans while they were actively reeling from AD’s trade demand.

Whatever it would have cost exactly would have been way cheaper than what we ultimately traded. Bucks missed the boat by not bailing earlier and letting more evidence about Bledsoe’s limitations and playoff chokery pile up.

I don't really agree on Brogdon but I agree with the rest of it. I will always defend Bledsoe's extension because it was actually a super team-friendly deal at the time, but that's not the same as saying I wanted him to be the team's long-term PG. I actually wasn't even a huge fan of trading for Bledsoe in the first place, arguing that they probably could have traded Monroe for George Hill instead without giving up any picks. And George Hill did ultimately prove to be a much better fit in lineups with Giannis, so it's cool that they ended up with both of them... but still crazy that they played Bledsoe and Giannis together so much.

In any case, I think that Bledsoe deal was a positive asset until the Miami series basically. That was much worse than the Boston or Toronto series and cemented his status as a playoff choker, which was still somewhat debatable before that.